Greedy Goblin

Tuesday, July 8, 2014

May-June CFC personal losses

Busy CFC trolls keep claiming that their losses are irrelevant. They divide the total losses (about 3.2T/month) by their pilot count (about 50K including renters and RvB), which results about 65M/month. That's indeed not something that should ruin the day of anyone. Since the GRR project does around 10% of the damage, that's pitiful 6.5M/month. If we dig into the May and June CFC losses, we can find problems with these numbers.

At first, 15948 pilots had any losses in these two months instead of 50K. Why? Because some pilots had only kills, others avoided PvP and being ganked, many are rarely used alts, finally lot of them are inactive. I ordered the pilots by losses and placed them into 10 groups. Each group lost 1/10 of the total loss of these months: 6.4T. You can guess that the number of pilots in these groups are very different:
Only the bottom 10% lost the 64M that the trolls claimed. They most likely laughed it off. But the first 51 pilots who lost a super in Daras, a jump freighter in higsec or a ratting bling weren't so happy. There are 575 CFC pilots who lost more than 1B/month.

The problem of the minions of evil is believing their own propaganda: "we are legion". Sure, they have tens of thousands of warm bodies in the servitude of Goons. But most of them are inactive, alt or useless. Only a small group bears the losses, probably because they do the undocking. Their losses aren't pitiful. Sooner or later they ask "why do I carry so many worthless morons and slackers, why do I suffer the consequences of the Goon propaganda that values that scum?". Then, they'll realize that they fit much better in "elite PvP" alliances ("elite" is a relative term where most people don't PvP or just lols in frigs).

Alternatively, if PvP is something they only do because they have to, they will realize that they are better off as renters. I mean if you add up the time you spent shooting structures in bombless bombers and multiply it with your income, you'll see that you wasted much-much more ISK to earn the right of being a Goon minion than the cost of renting in PBLRD.

Please meet the 51 pilots who didn't want that 640B anyway: Dar Vega, Queen Sarah, JuliaChilds, Ariel Lynn, Ravenuk11, Sildan Starbreeze, SmileyJ Antollare, Olga Tovyevski, wifi, Siren Sylvanis, Arat Dbar, Fenrir Hammer, Ghostrider 90, Peter Stamatin, TriDane, Master Broski, Asher Elias, Zyzaxis, Paou Compli, BeePan NOK, Tenma Tenshu, Nikita Kalinski, thebizzle, Frankie Carbone, wibble ipera, Daedrana, MoRRaK Galaxy, Capt Starfox, Schreiender Tod, nonsciolist, Mack Skipper, Talous Semper, Justinian Plague, R0bster Shadille, theo hendrix, Dazzak, Quasi imerpaleite, 4ots, Weismann Noah, NiteNinja, Teresa Green, blueangel, MLrill, NoLlMIT, Sylus Degalle, Darf Smegma, Kal'Intaki, evan mclean, achientgladiator, Dincik, Alaska Lotus.


PS: some very recent contributors who surely had lot of fun coming to highsec: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think this is about your best anti-goon attempt. Numbers don't lie. Yes some enjoy flying and dying so ratters don't have to. But more (I am willing to bet) will look at this and say "why me? why not make joe slacker fleet his ask up or kick him". the interesting point you numbers makes is it directly counters lucas's arguement "why kick they fleet up" if you are not dying you are not fleeting it is that simple.

Anonymous said...

Why would you eliminate pilots without loses? You claim you are aiming at the coalition level and in all attempted calculations of their wealth, you took all the numbers. The same logic would apply here. Especially pilots who had kills, but no loses, should be taken into account.
Second, you take the all loses and what exactly are you trying to prove? They are not yours, so the only thing you show is that people loose stuff which nobody was denying in the first place. Do they do it in different proportions? Yes, nobody claimed otherwise.
Third why only 2 months? And months during a vacation period when people spend time with their families. Also absolutely nothing worthy is going on in null, therefore no big loses.

Anonymous said...

Same would come out for n3.

Also the last group must not be inactive. i had also some months where i was never killed in fleets. 2months say nothing. and again all big groups will have similar charts with a few loosing the most. just imagine those dumb jf losses.

Anonymous said...

The Daras battle was you?

I didn't know you were paying BL and PL :) I also didn't know that came out of their pocket.

Some of those pilots you may want to reconsider being on your...objective..list showing their actual PvPing.


Juliachilds: 26 Ships killed (44.93B ISK) 1 Ships lost (21B ISK)
Ariel Lynn: 8 Ships killed (22.73B ISK) 1 Ships lost (21.5B ISK)
RavenUK11: 1 Ships killed (22.41B ISK) 1 Ships lost (20.66B ISK)
(1 Supercarrier lost, 1 supercarrier killed)
Sildan Starbreeze: 4 Ships killed (22.91B ISK) 1 Ships lost (19.84B ISK)

SmileyJAntollare: 94 Ships killed (78.77B ISK) 1 Ships lost (19.77B ISK)

Olga Tovyevski:13 Ships killed (34.57B ISK) 1 Ships lost (18.74B ISK)

Should I continue? These are the individuals numbers for May only (It should also be noted that these losses listed are ALL supercarriers during the Daras battle, and several of these individuals are in Goonwaffe, so not renters), so, you are basing much of your "LOL look how they are dying" on 1 battle, in 1 system.

It is all good and fine presenting numbers, but, when you add names to the list you run the risk that anyone can check the data, and they may find that you are not presenting the correct information.


Gevlon said...

Of course that the big losses (outside of Daras) are dumbs losing JF and bling. The question is, how many times can they do that before they get enough and quit.

Who said that Daras had anything to do with me? I'm talking about CFC total losses.

Your list is incorrect, Juliachilds didn't kill 26 ships, just got on 26 kills with hundreds of others.

Anonymous said...

Why are you taking people out of the equation that have kills, but no loses?

Looking at my own killboard, I have months where I got more then 200 kills, and didn't die. Is 200+ kills considered inactive?

It seem to be cherry picking for your metrics in an effort to make an argument.

Anonymous said...

Their losses aren't pitiful. Sooner or later they ask "why do I carry so many worthless morons and slackers, why do I suffer the consequences of the Goon propaganda that values that scum?". Then, they'll realize that they fit much better in "elite PvP" alliances
So which null group do you think they would join where they would have highsec losses? They understand something you don't, and that's that no matter what null group they join these losses will occur if they go to highsec. So no, they won't leave goons, the people that pay out double SRP, to go and join another null group (who probably wouldn't let them in anyway), since nothing would change. The only thing them getting killed changes is that they learn not to fly ships in highsec. So thanks Marmite for the training.

One of your problems is that you can't seem to understand that a lot of what happens in the way of wars isn;t happening because "grr goons", it's happening because null groups get wardecced. That is, all null groups. If you want to make it about goons, you need to stop people wardeccing all other null groups.

Anonymous said...

"Of course that the big losses (outside of Daras) are dumbs losing JF and bling. The question is, how many times can they do that before they get enough and quit."

people owning JF and supers have a lot of isk, normally.
Ok they will be angry first but I already meet 3-4 guys who lost their JF due to highsec war. And imagine, all laughed about their stupidity and bought directly a new one. Life goes on.
If they got a JF, they probably do logistics which will earn them a good amount of money. or industry in null.


as all commenters show you, all nullsec alliances face the same issue with highsec wars. you only make a difference, that marmite does not need to pay for it. they would wardec us anyway. noone will leave goons, because all have same conditions.

Tsed said...

Seeing people like Asher Elias and nonsciolist on your list is pretty hilarious.

People who are literally getting 2+bill in reimbursements on subcaps alone, and who have, respectively, entered that "top tier" via bling-for-blings sake PvP macherials and repeatedly soloing in expensive command ships because he can (and because waffe's reimbursement really lessens the financial blow).

Anonymous said...

"Your list is incorrect, Juliachilds didn't kill 26 ships, just got on 26 kills with hundreds of others."

Which happened to be during the same fight where Juliachilds lost the supercarrier (in a fight with hundreds of others on each side)

So, the list is not incorrect. The majority of the ISK losses you listed happened during Daras, which, you are using to claim personal losses.
If the losses happened during Daras, which you claim is personal losses, then their kills during that battle are also personal.