Greedy Goblin

Wednesday, July 9, 2014

Masters, servants and renters

There is a big confusion between who has power over who. The main reason for that is mixing people with groups. Groups make no decisions, people do. If there is democratic vote, everyone has 1/N power. If there is dictatorship, the dictator has power, the followers do not. However - unlike in real life - they can still vote with their feet. Pilots are immortal and no assets are essential. I mean losing assets stinks, but you can go on without them and regain them. It's not like losing your home and becoming homeless. Everyone starts out as a zero-asset, minimal-skill newbie and we all grew up, so can do it again!

But here the topic is power distribution between groups and not between leaders and line members of the same group. How can one prove (or disprove) that "SMA is a Goon minion" or "renters/landlords are in power"? Simple: we should compare line members to line members. Comparing leaders may have theoretical importance, but since 99.9% of you will never be a leader, it's not practically interesting. The US citizens are more free than the North Koreans not because they have 0.000001% power in electing the president, while the North Koreans have 0.000000, but because the president can't execute them when he has a bad day, while the members of the Kim dynasty can, and often do.

Goon minions are minions because the line members there have more obligations for the same privileges as Goonwaffe line members. Both can use the space and do fun PvP, both has the same blue list, docking rights, structure access and so on, but the minion must participate in boring structure ops (bombless bombers) while the Goonwaffe Goon does not. I'd like to emphasize that the leadership being in Goonwaffe has nothing to do with it. The leaders decide which structures will be shot, which matters little to the line member. He is still stuck with that bombless bomber. Smaller N3 members are not minions, despite their alliance leaders don't have more word in the strategy than SMA leaders within CFC. But once the order was given, the line members of all N3 alliances, including NC. and Nulli must go to battle equally. They can't just rat all day.

Let's look at renters vs landlords where the difference is much more obvious. Landlord line members will stay line members 99% of the time. Being even a corp leader is a privilege that only a few can reach. On the other hand every renter can - and often do - rent with his own alts or few friends. Good luck joining any landlord alliance with a 1-5 men corp! On the other hand, there are hundreds of corps with 5-20 pilots (that's 1-5 people) in renter alliances.

A member corp of the landlords can be kicked without warning nor reason, just for not liking their face. A whole coalition member alliance can be reset. This case all the line members can have assets stuck or lost without them being responsible for the drama or being able to avoid it. Could any line TEST-ie prevent the drama between CFC and TEST? Do you think any line member was asked before PL reset N3? A renter corp can only be kicked if they violate the rental treaty. Without that, kicking them would make all other renters leave. While the corp can break the rules without the action of a particular line member (for example other member awoxes), but the line member isn't forced to team up with anyone, he can rent on his own, just with his alts or trusted friends.

Finally, the renter knows exactly his obligations: keep the contract, pay the bills. The landlord line member can be commanded into a war (or the opposite: blueing) he neither expected, nor wanted. Again: the line CFC or TEST member might consider the other "a bro", but when politics happened, they had to shoot each other and no one asked them if they wanted to.

The bottom line is that you shouldn't ask which leader has more power, The Mittani, Vince or the CEO of a 5-men renter corp, because you are not Mittani, nor Vince, nor you'll ever be. You should ask who has more personal freedom: a line SMA, a line Goon, a line NC. or a member of a 5-men renter corp?

PS: the moron of the day is spectacular!

Upkeeping the war against the RAZOR splinter "Forged of Fire" cost more than it provided in kills. But I kept paying for it, just out of principle. No one gets away with serving evil! Well, my patience paid off. Great fit too!

I also love this nullsec bling Tengu. Also the Gila. And the navy Mega. But stacking penalty Domi is also good.


Anonymous said...

Is why I like renting, freedom and fun is all we need in this game. Up to the point rent it paid, no one tells us what to do, how to do, and honestly after 12hrs of work, spending my free time, that's pretty much what I need. Above a certain number of people the rental fee comes in just from ratting taxes, your corp can own POCOs, boom 0% tax, you can have your iHUB upgraded any way you want by the rental teams. Essential freedom :P

Anonymous said...

I'm confused. Why is the moron of the day a moron? Transporting a capital fit in an interceptor is a pretty common occurrence, since interceptors are less likely to get caught than a cloaked ship. There's only a couple of fits that would be likely to catch you in an interceptor and those exact same fits would catch you in a cloak ship too. If he was transporting it through highsec in a shuttle, then he'd be a moron, but in this case he picked the right ship for the job and got unlucky. Happens to everyone once in a while.

Gevlon said...

Have you checked the fit of that interceptor?

Anonymous said...

Have you checked the fit of that interceptor?
Yes... there's expanders and some of the modules that will be fitted to the capital, fitted to the interceptor to save cargo space, a common thing when transporting using a ceptor...

Did you think he fitted those modules for defense?

Anonymous said...

It was a bad, CVA and Volt choose to oust long time member Sound. The CTA went up people jumped in their ships, everything as normal then something strange happened. Word started to filter through the fleet, where is X alliance, where is Y, Z space bro. The situation was getting tense people were starting wild rumors. Before thing fell completly apart the word was sent out: A lot of our space brothers have chosen not to shoot Sound and we understand and accept their decision. X alliance is refusing to shoot sound but will fleet up and shoot all reds no matter who's side they are on.

The difference is that the bros in test and CFC didn't have the balls to tell leadership to go get bent.

Gevlon said...

You NEVER fit expanders and cargo rigs to an interceptor. He aligned in 3.1 = 4 seconds.

He should have fitted 2x low friction rigs (preferably T2 rigs), 1x Nanofiber internal structure, 1x Inertia stabilizers and a warp stabs.

This way he'd align in 2 seconds and still warp if he'd still warp if another ceptor points him with long point.

Of course hauling in an interceptor is dumb on its own, you should use jump freighter or covops battleship since they don't take gates.

Anonymous said...

The nice thing about EvE is there's so much to be technical about.

You can be technical about trading (Gev's trading posts and 0.01 kill off strats are great)

You can be technical about ganking;



Wormhole-ing; (sorry if that came out wrong I was laughing as I wrote it)

Even politics and alliances you can be technical in EvE.

Its awesome but souless.

It helps you survive day to day but does not give you a future (no Im not proselyting)


Ok gev you can go troll me now.
(still the same guy)