Greedy Goblin

Tuesday, December 22, 2015

Well, this was a short campaign

My recently started "boycott the CSM" campaign was ended by - who else - CCP Falcon. I mean in the official forums and in the CSM process, the boycott will obviously continue. While it was a near idea to create a "none of the above" candidate, so players can actively express their dissatisfaction with the CSM, it doesn't change our ability to simply not vote. Sure, it would have been nicer to beat all the other candidates with an "End the CSM!" platform, a low vote count will likely send the message. Not to Falcon of course, but his boss, who is likely behind shutting down the disgusting idea of Sion to let CSM (practically Goons) censor all players from reaching CCP.

It's interesting that it took so long. If he had a problem with my "mission statement", he could ban it on the day it was created. Probably he hoped that people will reject it as the community mostly hates me and I can be ignored. The large reddit and forum support shown that people hate the CSM more and ready to even vote for me to end it, so he intervened.

I toyed around the idea of taking his advice "submit valid candidacy" and copy&paste the "valid candidacy" of Chance Ravinne who actually got in with this non-statement. Or Xenuria for CSM10. Or look at this wonderful "valid candidacy". He was allowed to run. But I wasn't, because I'm not a troll. I didn't start this campaign to do something "funny" or "cool" or simply get a bunch of votes and pretend that these people like me. I did it because I'm absolutely sure that the CSM is a harmful organization and should be disbanded.

If anything, this event should show you how disconnected the CCP Community team and especially CCP Falcon from the playerbase while way too deeply connected to a small and loud minority; to the point where he can no longer notice that bullying customers outside this circle isn't acceptable behavior from a service representative. They are unable to see that the CSM is nothing but another venue where this tiny minority can influence the development or at least steal data from it so their buddies have advantage. He can have his forum, I won't post there anything again. He cannot have our votes to legitimize his "work".

Let the CSM 11 election have the lowest vote count ever!


PS: in the meantime MoA engaged a Goon supercapital + T3 destroyer fleet in half number of T1 destroyers. With 80% ISK ratio.

PS2: many on reddit want Stunt Flores unbanned. It will never happen. Stunt committed a mortal sin and for that he'll never be forgiven: he helped me. When I was about to ragequit EVE after the community manager bullying me, he cheered me up and shown how EVE should be played. You see, I have one of the highest (if not the highest) traffic fansite in EVE (TMC, EN24 and Zebra are rather news sites). Banning me for no reason would be quite a bad PR, hence Falcon choose to insult and bully me again and again until I just give up and move to another game in shame. Stunt ruined this and also he made a silly mistake that could be used against him.

55 comments:

Wilhelm Arcturus said...

Bah, I think you should re-register and run on an anti-Goon platform, or whatever galactic student council platform you think will work. I think you on the CSM could help put an end to it, and I am not just saying that to be nice.

Anonymous said...

Sad but, in retrospect, not that surprising. I don't think that normal players will ever be as motivated in managing and manipulating CCP as professionsals whose RL$ depends upon it. Plus, Goons are quite adept and CCP quite malliable. It may change but that would not be my bet.

I hope the low voter turnout works, but if you are not even going to be on the forums, I am not sure there will be enough to get noticed; it's not like turnouts growing anyway.

GL!

Provi Miner said...

I think the reason you were ousted was because you didn't campaign. See you need to lie to as many people as possible to get elected (they expect that) then you do your thing.

I think you forget the social element of elections. it isn't about right wrong good bad its about who is the better liar.

Vince Snetterton said...

Not surprised. Verone has always been an asshole.

Anonymous said...

I was planning to be a troll and vote for you. But with this move it is even more important to boycott the elections. If they can ban you from running then the entire process is a sham.

Anonymous said...

What a joke. The whole point of the CSM is for players to influence the development of EvE. So if the players decide that the CSM is is bullshit and harms the development? Nope. Players clearly don't know what is best for them, we (CCP) better step in and protect them from themselves.
If Gevs campaign is bs, then let the votes prove it. Clearly no one who likes the current state of the CSM would vote for him.

The simple fact that Falcon still has his job, after all the incompetence and bias he has shown, is the actual factor that made me quit EvE a few months back, after playing from 2003. A sandbox HAS to be 100% neutral from a dev standpoint, or it is simply pointless to participate.

Merry Christmas!

Gevlon said...

@Wilhelm Arcturus: considering that you're in TNT, suggesting someone to run with an anti-Goon platform is hypocritical.

@Provi Miner: indeed. But I don't want to be the best liar, I don't want to beat The Mittani just to take his throne. I want the whole system to go down.

@Vince: Who is Verone?

@Anon: indeed, boycott!

Anonymous said...

You're not forbidden to run for CSM, falcon made it quite clear as to why your campaign was closed. There was no incometence or harrassment, your campaign was closed simply because you had no campaign, your entire thing was that you wanted people to not vote for the CSM and as such they should vote for you, that's not a campaign.

If you had said you have issues with the CSM and want to get in so you can help reform it like Xenuria was campaigning (and apparently is again) then you would have been permitted but as such your entire platform was based around throwing votes away.

If you want to run for CSM, take it seriously and put together a proper campaign platform.

Gevlon said...

There are awful lot of candidates with joke platforms or "I can't care less to write it, my alliance will vote for me" platforms.

I don't believe the CSM can be reformed, as it's fundamentally flawed: it's advising devs about a war between their groups. It's like an IS and a US soldier advising God on how bullets should fly.

UI development is the only field where player input is worthy.

Luobote Kong said...

There was no need to ban you. The CSM already allegedly has a process for dealing with non attendees. (And if it hasn't then it is has been too incompetent to finalize it this term). So clearly it was a political move rather than one of due process. If the CSM hsd any hope of reform I would support the institution. But this episode demonstrates how useless, corrupt and divisive it is. It needs to be terminated.

Anonymous said...

CCP employees are ex-PL, Goons, Groups that fucked up the CSM. They use the CSM as plattform to give their buddy intel about Changes without violating their developer NDA.

A Goon said...

"What a joke. The whole point of the CSM is for players to influence the development of EvE"
And if Gevlon was running a campaign to do that, it wouldn't be a problem. He wasn't though, he was running a protest, not a campaign, and that's not the place to do that. Whether you like it or not, CCP take the CSM seriously, and they won't allow joke campaigns, nor will they scrap the CSM.

That said, please do boycott the CSM vote. I fully support people following that advice and boycotting the vote. Anyone that supports Gevlon and hates goons should definitely not vote for the CSM.

Anonymous said...

when your RMT depends upon a massive user base you have a vested interest in controlling the CSM. no one else cares enough to get involved.

maxim said...

I still think copypasting an application that passed the vetting process is a great idea that you definitely should do.
You only need to edit it a little bit, so it is not a factual lie. Replace "my corp will vote for me" with "MoA will vote for me" or something.

Also, if you really want to go down the path of overthrowing a ruling force, i suggest you familiarise yourself with a manual on how to do so, which is "Waging nonviolent struggle" by Gene Sharp. If you google the title with the author, a freely accessible pdf should be among the first search results.

Hanura H'arasch said...

> CCP take the CSM seriously, and they won't allow joke campaigns,

Except they don't, or else they would have allowed Gevlons campaign. You can either take the opinion of all your subscribers seriously or you can dismiss it as nonsense.
As long as a campaign can't be considered spam or violate basic rules of human decency it should never be banned. The voters have to decide if it's "nonsense" or not.

Besides, there are plenty examples of "joke campaigns" which were permitted by CCP. Why not ban them?

Aldo Raine said...

Gev-
You should definitely run. Seriously. I'd vote for you, and I know a lot of people who would. A common sense based campaign platform. You'd be the Donald Trump of the CSM, telling people what they need to hear.

Make EVE Great Again!

- Aldo

Gevlon said...

@aldo: but the only common sense platform is to close it and such campaign is not allowed. I understand that you people expect me to do better than the current CSM, but it can't be done. The CSM didn't fail because the people in it were bad or lazy (Sugar is anything but), it failed because it's theoretically impossible to work.

Anonymous said...

A word on Stunt Flores:

Eve is a very addictive game. Just because Stunt's old account has been banned doesn't mean that the player is not playing the game anymore. Old players don't get banned, they get reincarnated.

The only way a player really leaves Eve is when they decide to stop playing.

Don't be surprised if someone who reminds you of your old friend shows up a few months from now killing goons like a crazy mad man.

:)

Anonymous said...

"Except they don't, or else they would have allowed Gevlons campaign. You can either take the opinion of all your subscribers seriously or you can dismiss it as nonsense."
No, because a campaign not to vote is not a campaign. If he wants to encourage people not to vote, great, but if he wants to run a campaign he needs to encourage votes for himself and commit to performing the role if he is elected.

That said, the opinion isn't of "all your subscribers", there's a small vocal minority that hate the CSM, a larger minority that like the CSM and the majority that don't care particularly. Either way the CSM is here to stay because it would be disastrous for CCP if they were to scrap it as it would be saying "we don't care about our subscribers opinions", exactly what you are complaining about here. All Gevlon will achieve by getting people not to vote is guaranteeing that goons will get who they want and only who they want on the CSM.

Gevlon said...

I don't question that people who hate the CSM are a minority. The problem is that we cannot measure that minority because Falcon says so.

Anonymous said...

"I don't question that people who hate the CSM are a minority. The problem is that we cannot measure that minority because Falcon says so."
You were telling people not to vote, not even for you, so how would you have measured that minority anyway?

Falcon states pretty clearly that if you want to run an actual campaign and try to get yourself onto the CSM on a platform of "CSM is bad" then you are welcome to, but by telling people not to vote and by stating you won't actually perform the role, that's why he won't allow you to post there, since that forum is only for people campaigning to become a CSM member.

Honestly I think you know this too, and your intention was to get your thread closed so you could play the victim and pretend that it has something to do with CCPs personal feelings towards you or that it's because of goon bias. Either way though, nothing will be achieved by running it this way other than a guarantee of a goon majority CSM for another year. Even more so with people like Sugar dropping out.

Gevlon said...

Can you tell me how can one perform on the CSM with a platform "CSM must be closed"?

Wilhelm Arcturus said...

@Gevlon "considering that you're in TNT, suggesting someone to run with an anti-Goon platform is hypocritical"

On a very superficial level, I suppose. But suggesting that you run on a pro-Goon or even a Goon-neutral platform would be moronically naive. And an anti-Goon platform would play to your strengths and make you a viable candidate.

But the real reason it isn't hypocritical is that I don't think you, as a CSM member, could affect any change that would harm me, my corp, my alliance, or The Imperium. You could, however, help change CCPs mind on the whole CSM idea, which I have derided since they announced it back in 2008.

So I see no likely harm and some reasonable chance of benefit. Also, there is a high likelihood of comedy in people reacting to your campaign, even if you don't get elected.

Anonymous said...

"Can you tell me how can one perform on the CSM with a platform "CSM must be closed"?"
By providing real working examples from the inside of how the CSM is under-performing and by working with devs on an alternate solution. This is how a rational non-slacker would approach the situation.

All you're trying to do is push people who follow you not to vote based on hearsay and propaganda, which at best means that anti-goons won't vote making goon votes matter more. It's a lazy, low-effort approach and it doesn't achieve what it sets out to do. With thousands of goons still voting (and other people with vested interests) and all CSM members in favour of keeping the CSM, CCP definitely won't get rid of the CSM. Surely you can understand this?

JamesCarville said...

You run on the grounds of limiting the scope of the CSM, what they look at and what they consult on. Your campaign is "DEV based game decision making." Then whenever you meet or consult you defer to the DEVs opinion. If they DEV says they lean a certain direction, you lean that direction also. They say something is good, you say its good. They say something is bad, you think its bad.

Because if you are really running on the platform of there should be no CSM and DEVs should be calling the shots that's what your campaign is going to look like.

Gevlon said...

@Wilhelm: a viable candidate for what? A council that I find nothing but harm.

I understand that you see no harm (or see it but hope I don't, you are a Goon after all), but here it is: me sitting on CSM would help Goons say "look, we don't control the council since even our arch-enemy is sitting on it and get the ears of CCP", while I guess you agree that CCP wouldn't listen to me even if I'd say 1+1=2.

@Anonymous: I realy hope that we get an all-goon CSM, so people will see that it's a Goon-controlled organization. Also, providing real working examples from the inside is called NDA breach.

Anonymous said...

"I realy hope that we get an all-goon CSM, so people will see that it's a Goon-controlled organization."
It will never be all-goon, since goons vote for non-goons that will help with their agenda, and either way it won't matter whether people see it that way or not. All the time thousands of players are voting for it (which goons can achieve alone) and all the time CCP know that scrapping the CSM would be a massive blow to their sub count, it's not going anywhere. Whether it's true or not, the CSM is seen externally to EVE as a developer truly listening to it's players. Scrapping that would be bad press.

"Also, providing real working examples from the inside is called NDA breach."
Only if it is covered by the NDA. The NDA doesn't cover everything the CSM does and it certainly doesn't cover the performance of the CSM itself. You're just making excuses because you can't be bothered to work for change. You just want to complain and have someone else deliver the change to you. That's not how the world works, so the CSM will remain as is until someone with some spine steps in and does something about it.

Gevlon said...

@Anon: if you are so sure, why are you still here? I lost, CSM will stand and will be controlled by Goons. Go back to your medium shield booster carrier!

Oh, you now try to "are you chicken McFly" me into serving Goons by being on the CSM. As I've said, I believe that CSM is fundamentally flawed and no man on Earth can do a good service on it. Just ask Sugar!

Vince Snetterton said...

@Gevlon:

Verone was the name of Falcon's char when he ran Veto. He will always be that char, not some name in CCP. Just Raivi and Kil2 are Fozzie and Rise.

Lyxi said...

Hey Gevlon. I don't play Eve, but I have been following you since I played with you in WoW. I keep reading for the occasional philosopy post. Maybe an outside perspective will help.

Your strength is that you are a leader. Not a social leader, but an idea leader. And your ideas have a wider reach when they are both controversial and are widely heard. If you let the pro-goon block or whatever win the elections, nothing will happen. Things will limp like this for however long this council lasts. At best, you will find yourself in the same situation.

At worst, people will start leaving the game. Just so you know, only the top 10% - 1% of any online game engages in the simplest form of metagaming, reading/contributing to the community forums, let alone voting or whatever. The majority vote with their feet.

If you think this CSM is a sham by giving a disproportionate voice to nullsec metagamers, then having more of them will not trigger some kind of popular revolution. Nah, people will just leave, and once leaving, the downward spiral will be too hard to halt. Maybe you hope that CCP stockholders will see this and remove the CSM. Maybe, but maybe not. You can't control what others do, but you can control what you do.

So? Run. Make some waves. Antagonize community managers that are colluding with players. Just waiting for someone else to wake up will not solve anything, but just wasting a bunch of time.

Anonymous said...

"if you are so sure, why are you still here? I lost, CSM will stand and will be controlled by Goons. Go back to your medium shield booster carrier!"
Why do you assume everyone that disagrees with your approach is a goon? I'm not, and I've tried to give my view of what a good approach to this will be, but you seem adamant that sitting around complaining about it will achieve something. You call other people morons and slackers because they refuse to play to win and they don't put in effort to achieve what they want, but you are exactly the same. You don't take on board anyone else's advice even when you fail and you refuse to do anything that involves more than handing over isk or posting on your blog. In short, you're a hyprocrite.

Good day sir.

Anonymous said...

You should make an official forum post for the time of the CSM votes, where ppl can "sign" with a comment that they dont vote because they believe that CSM is bad.

So we could get a numerical number what is the percentage of ppl who are not voting and care enough to voice there opinion why they are not voting.

Gevlon said...

@Lyxi: the problem with running is that me sitting on the CSM will have the following effect
- lot of my time wasted
- Goons still control the CSM but can point at me and yell, "the CSM is unbiased as players of all walks of life are present"
- CCP Falcon can report to his bosses that CSM vote count increased, people are more engaged, thanks to his hard work

My only hope is:
- the low vote count will reflect badly on CCP Falcon enough that he is fired
- the new community manager will not be a Goon puppet who covers up a real world crime for them.

Also, time is money. The boycott costs me a few blogpost, the busy posters on Reddit will do the lions share of work, just like with the Goon book. I just nedeed to plant a seed. Tilting the windmill on the CSM is lost income, lost support for MoA.

Finally: the NDA is hard to dance around as a blogger. Me signing an NDA would be an invitation for Falcon to catch me on a trivial breach and not only ban me from EVE but harm my real world career as a contract-violator.

Rob said...

My only hope is:
- the low vote count will reflect badly on CCP Falcon enough that he is fired
- the new community manager will not be a Goon puppet who covers up a real world crime for them.

So no hope then. CSM will not have low vote count all the time goons exist, and a low vote count is unlikely to get falcon fired. Also, since no crime was covered up - Falcon simply didn't label an entire organization for the failings of two idiots - the new community director is unlikely to change anything.

Anonymous said...

It's not Goon control per se, rather the NA folk's ability to run an organized structure or front and keep it up indefinitely (just like RA .... makes you wonder what keeps them going eh? Obvious answer). EU folks and elsewhere are rather dispersed via nationalities and languages, making it harder to align to anything. In other words, what you end with is a classic divide an conquer situation.

I've no doubt that certain key people behind the NA bloc have military/intelligence background. I wouldn't rule out SOP propaganda tactics and subversion or soc. eng tactics based on them - this not tin-foil hattery (there's no need to drop names). Gevlon, you'll have an almost impossible time vs these people.

Best benefit that I could speculate assuming you go ahead with the CSM candidacy and by some miracle win a seat, approach it as a 1 year experiment and you get to test them. Plus, you get CCP to at least perk up and listen to your arguments - and if you remain polite and argue & counter-argue as sound as AkitaT, CCP would have little reason to dismiss it without justification.

P.S. Am not the @Anon youre responding to.

Rob said...

@Anon
"makes you wonder what keeps them going eh? Obvious answer"
The same thing that keeps most gamers playing - fun and a desire to compete.

Gevlon said...

@Rob: the survival of the CSM isn't the end of the World. Goons are being killed as we speak, despite CSMX is in office. CSM is a strong tool in their hands, but it's not an IWIN button. Also - just like with the book - it costs me a few blogposts and hope something sticks. If it goes just 1/10 as well as with the book, CFC Falcon is in trouble.

About the monument: Falcon saved them from criminal charges and reversed their ban. Then he allowed the Goon propaganda site to go ahead and brag how invincible they are.

@Anonymous: as I said, being on the CSM would have the following disadvantages
- lots of time wasted
- Goons using me as a poster boy for the independence of the CSM
- Falcon would catch me for some trivial NDA violation. For example repeating some joke a dev told.
- To be elected I need votes, votes that Falcon can present to his superiors as evidence that he can keep the community engaged.

It's completely impossible to get CCP devs listen to anything I'd say, no matter how polite, reasonable and calm I'd be, because any dev treating me anything more than a piece of shit could expect hazing and harrassment from Falcom who openly declared that I'm a madman and a troll. Seriously, if you were some junior dev, would you go head on with a department head for a polite guy? The best I could achieve is that the dev apologizes me in the elevator for being an ass with me in the conference room, because he needs his job to pay the bills.

Gevlon said...

@Rob: except they don't compete. They just sit in confined spaces, rat like their mortgage depended on it and try to make as small waves as possible.

Zax said...

"It's completely impossible to get CCP devs listen to anything I'd say, no matter how polite, reasonable and calm I'd be, because any dev treating me anything more than a piece of shit could expect hazing and harrassment from Falcom who openly declared that I'm a madman and a troll. "

Falcon also said he loves reading your blog.

It would largely depend how much you were trolling with your suggestions. If one of your suggestions was "Ban anyone who has the goons ticker", then yes, you would get laughed at, regardless of how polite, reasonable and calm you would be.

Rob said...

"e survival of the CSM isn't the end of the World. Goons are being killed as we speak, despite CSMX is in office. CSM is a strong tool in their hands, but it's not an IWIN button."
That's because while people pretend that they run the CSM, they don't. Just like other groups they just have some pull.

"Also - just like with the book - it costs me a few blogposts and hope something sticks. If it goes just 1/10 as well as with the book, CFC Falcon is in trouble."
You had nothing to do with the book. It failed because it was run like crap. When they launch it again in march it'll sail through. Falcon will be unaffected either way, since his career isn't tied to the CSM. We're more likely to see you banned for harassing CCP staff than see CCP Falcon (one of the more favoured CCP Employees) gone.

"Falcon saved them from criminal charges and reversed their ban. Then he allowed the Goon propaganda site to go ahead and brag how invincible they are."
Falcon is not that high up. I guarantee you that decisions about criminal charges came from much higher up. Also, they were lenient because the perpetrators owned up and paid for damages. Even before they were found CCP stated that they would be less punished if they came forward and admitted what they did.

As for TMC, just like your propaganda here, goons can post whatever they like and it has nothing to do with falcon.

"except they don't compete. They just sit in confined spaces, rat like their mortgage depended on it and try to make as small waves as possible."
Of course they compete, and they are winning. That's why they can rat like crazy, annoy people and not worry at all about any repercussions. Also, you run mining missions and grind low risk trades all day. That's basically the same thing.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps its time to contemplate/re-focus, please don't take it to CCP burn level; that just wont add to ingame content by definition, nobody benefits here, whether right or wrong, its EVE right?.

Please, please do go on to being one of the most coolest EVE content creators.

Gosh, you BEING constructive part of CSM, now for that I'd give you my vote.

-hozan v

Gevlon said...

@Rob: no, Goons run the CSM, but due to institutional checks they can't pull a T20. They can facilitate a balance change that favors Goons, but then everyone else can adapt to the same change. I mean Goons condensed their empire only because they knew that anom count will be doubled. However anom counts were doubled not just in Deklein, so everyone else can rat more too.

I was the first to rally against the book. I don't question that I could only succeed because it was dumbly mismanaged: Goons tried to sell it for the wider community, to people who listen to other sources than TMC (for example the highest traffic EVE blog). I agree that if they relaunch it in March with "Goons! Support this book to make r/eve cry!" it'll likely succeed. But now it failed

The career of Falcon is tied to his performance as community manager. CCP higher-ups are already discontent since they placed a new boss on his head. While obviously one failure won't be the end of him, but each of them pushes him closer to his well deserved end. An "all time low CSM vote" wouldn't be beneficial in his report.

I'm not harrassing him, he is harrassing me. I barely knew who he was when he jumped on me with reddit cyberbullying. We had no previous exchange of any kind, I saw him as "a dev doing his job" and never expected neither positive, nor negative contact with him. That's why I ignored that Sion article before the reddit bully: I saw that it's only bad for Falcon and I had had no reason to harm him. I still don't know why he attacked me, but if he wanted fight, he got it.

Maybe the order to let the criminal Goons go came from higher. But if my boss tells me to cover up a crime, I tell him that I'd rather get a new job. Also, it's his name on the letters lying to the media. It's his call to let them back to the game and Fanfest WHILE STUNT IS BANNED FOR A BAD MEME FOREVER. It's definitely his name all over that Sion article that worships him as savior of Goons and that post couldn't be made without his consent (due containing NDA material). Also, he is capable of rejecting Goon statements calling him the guardian angel of Goons. They literally anounced that Goons don't have to worry about my project as Falcon knocks me out. If I'd write things like that about a dev, I'd be banned overnight.

Who do they compete with? With me, sure, because I choose to go after them. But unless you go out of your way to fight them like me, you can live all your EVE life without ever seeing a single one of them. They are just like the anom rats they fight. They never initiate combat, just linger in anoms waiting for someone to warp in.

Gevlon said...

@Hozan: it's impossible to be constructive on the CSM, because I also have horse in the race. I'm not a saint, my advice would be just as biased and self-serving as the advices of Goons. "Gevlon influencing development and using unannounced info for his trades" isn't any better than Goons doing the same.

I didn't intend to bring it to that level, but CCP Falcon once again came after me. What do you expect me to do? Just let him defeat everything I do while Goons celebrating him?

Rob said...

"no, Goons run the CSM, but due to institutional checks they can't pull a T20. They can facilitate a balance change that favors Goons"
Well I think you give them a lot more credit than they deserve there.

"I was the first to rally against the book."
So? It failed because the target amount was far too high and the rewards sucked. It didn't fail because you (or anyone else) rallied against it. They'll succeed in march because they will take that failing on board. The usual people will rally against it then too, and it will make no difference.

"The career of Falcon is tied to his performance as community manager."
But not the CSM. If the CSM failed (which it never will) he wouldn't be to blame. It's just your wishful thinking that he would lose his job because you are mad at him for saying your were crazy.

"I'm not harrassing him, he is harrassing me."
You continuously call for him to be fired, while he gave an honest opinion of your blog. Calling it cyberbullying is laughable, and I think even you know that. You play it because it suit your needs, but calling for him to be fired repeatedly isn;t going to end will. As a general rule, CCP don't tolerate people going after their employees.

"Maybe the order to let the criminal Goons go came from higher."
There's no maybe about it. Falcon isn't high enough to be put in charge of things like criminal charges, and undoubtedly they have a legal team consulting at a bare minimum.

"But if my boss tells me to cover up a crime, I tell him that I'd rather get a new job."
They didn't cover up anything. They gave out the punishment they thought suitable. They cut them an easy break for owning up and paying for it.

"WHILE STUNT IS BANNED FOR A BAD MEME FOREVER"
Stunt had multiple bans for harassing players and CCP staff. MULTIPLE BANS. What he was banned for was simply the last straw. HE was permbanned because he had MULTIPLE BANS prior to that one. Of course facts like that you ignore because they don't suit your narrative.

"Also, he is capable of rejecting Goon statements calling him the guardian angel of Goons. They literally anounced that Goons don't have to worry about my project as Falcon knocks me out."
It's called propaganda, and it appears it worked like a charm. You keep telling us how their news site is all lies and propaganda, so how come you are claiming this one article was fact?

"Who do they compete with?"
The rest of EVE. They've beaten back all of the serious competitors and now they can rest on their laurels at the top. A huge number of players hate them but won't ever defeat them because the goons would crush them. You can't say they aren't competing simply because they have noone left alive to fight. They are just sitting on their war chest waiting for the next attempt to overthrow them.

NoizyGamer said...

Well Gevlon, you getting booted off the ballot is one bullet the CSM dodged, meaning it has a slightly greater chance of surviving past April 2017 now. If a lot of joke candidates like you get elected (and you cannot honestly state your candidacy was NOT a joke) then I can see the value of the body to CCP not being worth the continuing cost.

Right now, all indications are that The Mittani and Sion are going to have the Imperium block vote for joke candidates to marginalize the CSM. I found it highly ironic that you were so willing to do Mittens' bidding. CCP Falcon probably did you a favor by killing your candidacy. The psychic toll on you once you realized you were serving as a Goon tool is something I shudder to ponder.

Provi Miner said...

@ gobs yep that's what I said "lie to win" "then do your thing" tear it up from the inside.

jedi2015 said...

As I commented in the other post, do the opposite of proposing to abolish the csm, run your campagn on making the csm voting, obligatory. Goons can control How their members vote, but they cant control How 80%, of the accounts that normally not vote, vote.

Anonymous said...

I've been thinking it and feel it needs to be said. Gevlon, you are part of the problem.

The reason why you think the CSM is a harmful entity is that nullsec blocks have the vast majority of the power and can influence CCP's decision yet you refuse to run as a serious candidate which means you refuse to try and change the power inside the CSM. You also encourage people not to vote yet all that means is that goons and PL and other huge alliances will get even more of the candidates they want in.

You're not encouraging the end of the CSM, you're encouraging a 100% nullsec controlled CSM.

Run for CSM, stop hiding behind your excuses.

Gevlon said...

@Rob: who else should be credited for the atrocity of doubling anom count? This is the only reason they still on the map.

The book failed because it wasn't marketed to Goons as "hey, pledge and make pubbies cry", but seriously to the wider community. These people listened to opinion leaders who said no.

The CSM is failing and with a record low vote, coupled with a complete Goon supremacy will be the end of it. And who else would be at blame than the community manager?

It's not me going after him, he is coming after me again and again. That's the definition of cyberbullying. Even if you consider his first attack a "honest opinion", there is no excuse for the subsequent attacks. Please note that I did NOT respond to the first, I started returning fire after multiple moves.

A video game company is not allowed to "gave out the punishment they thought suitable" for a crime. Only the court is allowed to do that. For everyone else it's "covering it up". Also, I'd remind you that they did not only vandalized, they also created a fake account and attempted to frame the vandalism on me. That's a crime on its own. I was the real victim of the monument case and CCP Falcon took the sides of the criminals. It doesn't matter who made the call, Falcon carried it out instead of just going home and calling sick as any reasonable employee would do.

Again: that propaganda post contained information that only CSM could access. This is why I petitioned Sion. However he was not banned, showing that CCP allowed him to say that "Falcon is protecting our criminals".

So Goons are on top, because redditors hate them and won't beat them? Well, then I'm on top too. Yay me!

@Noizy, provi miner, anonymous: No, Goons are only in damage control. They "didn't want that CSM anyway". Having a full-Goon CSM would cause an incarna-style reddit action, so they try to create their own opposition to make the CSM look legit. That's why Falcon hinted that I can run as "serious" candidate. Me being on CSM for real would be ideal for Goons, as they could point at me and yell: LOOK PEOPLE THE CSM IS NOT OURS OUR ARCH-ENEMY IS ON IT, while I'd obviously be marginalized and ignored, with Falon only waiting on a slip that can be declared NDA violation.

@Jedi2015: obligatory voting would only lead to people voting randomly. A CSM with half Goons, half trolls wouldn't be better.

Rob said...

"who else should be credited for the atrocity of doubling anom count? This is the only reason they still on the map"
What? How do you figure that? Goons were ratting before too. The only thing the anom increase did was condense them, meaning other people now have the opportunity to live in null too. And that idea came straight from CCP. If I remember correctly the CSM weren't even consulted.

"The book failed because it wasn't marketed to Goons as "hey, pledge and make pubbies cry""
No, it's failed cos it was too much money and crappy rewards. It won't be marketed to goons net time either, since the idea of it is not to be a goon book. The funny part is that because it failed they will be taking less from the kickstarter. The kickstarter funds are the only bit mittani doesn't take a cut of, therefore mittani will be making money quicker next time as he won't have lost out on 150k of sales, only 30k or so. People rarely look at things in ways that aren't immediately obvious.

"It's not me going after him, he is coming after me again and again. That's the definition of cyberbullying"
He made a comment, then he responded to you and other players responses. And no, that's not cyberbullying. You are massively overstating it if you think him having an opinion about your blog is cyberbullying.

"A video game company is not allowed to "gave out the punishment they thought suitable" for a crime"
Of course they are! They were the people that decide if they wish to press charges. If someone breaks into your house and steals your TV, you don't actually have to press charges, you know this, right? That is your choice, and if you find the criminal and want to make a deal instead, that's perfectly acceptable. CCP did exactly that. They took a payment for repairs and gave them a short ban and left it at that. That is their choice. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong and certainly doesn't make it a cover up. A cover up would involve no punishment and CCP claiming it didn't happen or pretending someone completely innocent did it.

""they also created a fake account and attempted to frame the vandalism on me"
Press charges then. That's your choice. I mean you won't get taken seriously because creating a fake twitter account to impersonate someone's online avatar isn't a crime, but by all means report it to the police and see how it goes.

What is with you lately by the way? You keep on playing the victim. You are the victim of cyberbullying and you were the real victim or the vandalism, etc. The old Gevlon would never have been so weak as to play the victim.

"That propaganda post contained information that only CSM could access. This is why I petitioned Sion"
All it shows is that the information they released was allowed under the NDA. Falcon has no control over the context they post that information in, and if he did that would be censorship and very bad. That would be like Falcon telling you to post what he wants you to or he'll ban you. It'll never happen because that's a bad road to go down.

Also, that's not what Sion actually said in that post, you misinterpreted it. What he was actually pointing out is how well CCP treated the people that had nothing to do with it. Your opinions is that everyone in goons is guilty, thus Falcon is protecting them. I don't even think the actual perpetrators are in goons any more cos mittani himself was not happy about it.

"So Goons are on top, because redditors hate them and won't beat them? Well, then I'm on top too. Yay me!"
Goons are on top because they own half the universe can do whatever they want whenever they want and not a soul can stop them. You couldn't do whatever you want. Like you couldn't fly around in a titan or take sov.

Gevlon said...

@Rob: the anom count increase is the central point of the document of shame, published half year before it happened. At least don't lie on obvious, Goon!

The book was a piece of propaganda and they tried to take $60K for themselves, by their own admission.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3f3p9m/gevlon_has_spoken_moa_better_than_blncpl_fighting/ctoov1v He explicitly states that he can't wait to see my emotional response. That's not honest criticism, that's the textbook definition of trolling. He acted on bad faith from the start with the pure intent to harm me. He is a bully, a bad person. And also a dumb one for picking me among all people.

They weren't the only victim. They never consulted me if I want to press charges because of the defaming fake twitter. I received no payment for repair. Granted, I was an idiot not to rush to the Icelandic Embassy and pressing charges myself. However I expected CCP to act in good faith and side with the victim of the crime, not with the criminals.

"pretending someone completely innocent did it" was exactly what Falcon did when he publicly claimed that Goons didn't do it (therefore someone else did it).

Every CSM information must be submitted to CCP for review. The Sion article contained internal CCP dealing. This is NDAd everywhere. Sion must have been explicitly allowed to use this information in his article. Also, CCP Falcon is very capable of publishing his side of story if he disagrees with something told about him. That post shows how he protected the criminals from justice, how they are allowed to keep coming to Fanfest, making it an unsafe place for everyone and how he protected the good name of the Goons, despite the written confession of the criminals that they acted "to be edgy and act like us".

Goons own about 1/4 of nullsec, while having more than 1/4 of the nullsec population. Sounds like a ghetto to me. They can go wherever they want and get pwned. Can you cite a single successful campaign from them in the last year.

Anonymous said...

"..players who want to contribute to the development of EVE Online via the CSM.."
Oh boy. CCP Falcon seems to really belives that.

CSM is a bad filter. CCP could better spend the resources into someone qualified. But it is to late they use CSM for PR "look we have (fake) politics \o/ yaaay".

Lorelei Ierendi said...

I am still fighting with "do I campaign or not".

I am definitely a "none of the above" supporter... used it in my campaign last year.
Shame they stopped this...

Astro said...

Sion is upset with the CSM and CCP, mittani&co have been suggesting putting xenuria in the ballot vote for a while. As much as you want to fool yourself, this reads as an attempt to boycott it.
Yet you think they have such control they can spare the votes to get trolls elected. Clearly this move will also increase CCP's trust in the CSM and the goon influence will increase!

I honestly think you could have made a good CSM, it makes me sad you don't see its value.

jedi2015 said...

@gevlon.

Obligatory voting can work out great. Look at my country belgium. Voting in parlementary elections in belgium is obligatory. We had in the flemish north, a part of belgium I live in, a extreme right party, vlaams blok/vlaams belang that at it heights in the 90s had 20% of the votes. During the 2010+ period the nva, from a very small party, less then 1% of the votes in 2000, grew through a very popular, in a good way, leader, bart de wever, up to the biggest party in belgium 30%+. They made vlaams belang again small, 5%-10%. It needed a what I consider politician of the century to make it work, probably in the next decade you will hear from this politician also in europe. THe point is , its obligatory voting that made this possible. Freedom comes not free, you need to fight for it. THe government you get if the voting is obligatory is the government you deserve. The same with the csm, if voting would be obligatory, the csm you get is the csm you deserve. If the voting is volontary the csm you get is not necesseraly the csm that you deserve. Give it a thought.