Greedy Goblin

Thursday, January 7, 2016

The kills of 2015: Pandemic Legion

This post is part of the "Killboards without inflation" series.

I'm continuing the series on the top alliances of 2015, here is Pandemic Legion, with the usual de-inflation method: if you did 1% damage of a 100B titan, you get 1B kill, not 100 The data is available for everyone to check my results or compare it with zkillboard. This is a long post of pretty uninteresting data, since PL is green everywhere. In every zone, enemy, corp, timezone. However they lack an "enemy". I mean they killed anything and everything they've met (with a few exceptions, like Shadow Cartel), but they didn't seem to focus on anything. Not even the #1 BRAVE stands out. Forgive me, but despite the 11.6T destroyed and the all-green killboard, they don't seem scary. Sure, if you do stupid, they'll gank you, but it's not like they would go out of their way to hurt you. This also means that I was wrong about their secret cooperation with Goons. They aren't avoiding Goons because of a pact, but because they avoid seriously fighting anyone. Funny bit: check out UUA-F4 results. That's Alliance Tournament zone.

Below you can see the corps of the alliance with more than 100B of its activity:
Rank Corp B Damage done B Damage taken ISK ratio
1 Sniggerdly 3233 1011 76
2 ElitistOps 1443 566 72
3 Hoover Inc. 1037 326 76
4 Habitual Euthanasia 803 418 66
5 Reikoku 860 343 71
6 North Eastern Swat 787 257 75
7 Blackwater USA Inc. 718 283 72
8 Collapsed Out 654 245 73
9 Tr0pa de elite. 407 156 72
10 Carpe Noctem. 446 91 83
11 Van Diemen's Demise 353 177 67
12 Cataclysm Enterprises 364 139 72
13 S.A.S 311 110 74
14 Body Count Inc. 221 75 75
- Sum of small ones 15 11 58
- Total 11649 4209 73

Below you can see what alliances contributed more than 100B to the killboard of the analyzed one.
Rank Alliance B Damage done B Damage taken ISK ratio
1 Brave Collective 861 264 77
2 Nulli Secunda 709 56 93
3 The Camel Empire 564 198 74
4 DARKNESS. 556 83 87
5 Black Legion. 442 82 84
6 Goonswarm Federation 327 158 67
7 Test Alliance Please Ignore 249 73 77
8 Triumvirate. 287 30 91
9 The Kadeshi 286 13 96
10 Soviet-Union 241 40 86
11 Circle-Of-Two 164 75 69
12 The Gorgon Empire 111 112 50
13 Fidelas Constans 155 58 73
14 The Bastion 179 29 86
15 Shadow Cartel 35 168 17
16 Snuffed Out 161 37 82
17 The Initiative. 112 70 62
18 SpaceMonkey's Alliance 132 50 73
19 I N F A M O U S 116 52 69
20 Dangerous Voltage 150 16 90
21 Together We Solo 3 157 2
22 The Volition Cult 109 46 70
23 Prelium Ultima 152 1 100
24 Curatores Veritatis Alliance 88 62 59
25 League of Unaligned Master Pilots 104 39 73
26 Ev0ke 134 7 95
27 Red Alliance 93 45 67
28 #Corp: Original Masters 119 0 100
29 Gentlemen's.Club 93 19 83
30 Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 48 57 46
- Sum of small ones 4870 2113 70
- Total 11649 4209 73

The inflation factor of this alliance is 175%. Below you can see which alliances helped it the most by shooting the same target. Please note that damage is capped by own damage, so if the analyzed alliance did 1B damage, X did 2B, Y did 8B, then X get 0.2B help, Y get 0.8B, as their help provided 1B de-inflated damage.
Rank Alliance B Damage helped
1 PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS 166
2 WAFFLES. 159
3 Nihilists Social Club 113
4 Northern Coalition. 106
5 Hard Knocks Citizens 101
6 Pandemic Horde 101
- Sum of small ones 1370
- Total 2117

Below you can see the monthly activity distribution chart. "Month" is here 1/12 year and not exact calendar month. Also, sorry for the ASCII graph, but creating so many proper image charts would be exreme work for all the alliances. Colors refer to ISK ratios, pure red means below 20%.
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And this is the hourly activity distribution chart:
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Below you can see the 1B+ de-inflated contribution kills of the alliance: 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 5B, 41B, 2B, 5B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 28B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 19B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 14B, 1B, 19B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 17B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 106B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 107B, 2B, 2B, 5B, 4B, 3B, 5B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 27B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 7B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 12B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 4B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 13B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 21B, 4B, 5B, 5B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 10B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 22B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 5B, 4B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 17B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 16B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 20B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 24B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 30B, 10B, 2B, 21B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 4B, 25B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 13B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 5B, 6B, 1B, 7B, 86B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 10B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 6B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 5B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 16B, 8B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 7B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 25B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 4B, 51B, 2B, 24B, 22B, 28B, 2B, 25B, 2B, 24B, 3B, 22B, 15B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 56B, 68B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 5B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 105B, 3B, 31B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 9B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 12B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 13B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 105B, 5B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 105B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 4B, 4B, 102B, 107B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 5B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 120B, 120B, 20B, 100B, 100B, 100B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 7B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 23B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 13B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 45B, 2B, 5B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 26B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 4B, 112B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 107B, 20B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 5B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 7B, 3B, 2B, 7B, 1B, 4B, 2B, 4B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 4B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 5B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 25B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 5B, 4B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 8B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 6B, 2B, 18B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 3B, 4B, 3B, 5B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 5B, 2B, 1B, 24B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 4B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 25B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 18B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 7B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 7B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 25B, 23B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 25B, 26B, 2B, 1B, 26B, 2B, 27B, 27B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 23B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 11B, 6B, 25B, 1B, 26B, 1B, 25B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 36B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 4B, 6B, 7B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 91B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 12B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 2B, 13B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 13B, 5B, 9B, 9B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 4B, 27B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 7B, 1B, 4B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 7B, 7B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 4B, 31B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 4B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 7B, 2B, 1B, 6B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 7B, 20B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 5B, 9B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 10B, 1B, 56B, 4B, 3B, 7B, 5B, 4B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 4B, 5B, 4B, 3B, 118B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 7B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 4B, 2B, 5B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 23B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 34B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 8B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 9B, 3B, 1B, 5B, 56B, 1B, 4B, 5B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 9B, 4B, 3B, 2B, 30B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 5B, 7B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 148B, 4B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 24B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 4B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 7B, 20B, 1B, 2B, 7B, 7B, 2B, 7B, 3B, 3B, 5B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 4B, 1B, 3B, 6B, 102B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 65B, 5B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 4B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 23B, 1B, 1B, 26B, 23B, 32B, 21B, 26B, 22B, 26B, 27B, 100B, 15B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B,

Below you can see the 1B+ losses of the alliance: 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 4B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 156B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 6B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 7B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 4B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 6B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 4B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 38B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 5B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 4B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 7B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 61B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 125B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 9B, 1B, 100B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 118B, 1B, 5B, 3B, 7B, 4B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 4B, 4B, 4B, 4B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 4B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 7B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 4B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 5B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 5B, 6B, 4B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 25B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 32B, 3B, 1B, 7B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 6B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 6B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 5B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B, 4B, 4B, 1B, 5B, 1B, 3B, 33B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 4B, 2B, 7B, 1B, 5B, 5B, 1B, 1B, 2B, 7B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 6B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 2B, 5B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 2B, 1B, 2B, 4B, 4B, 5B, 5B, 9B, 5B, 4B, 3B, 1B, 2B, 3B, 2B, 3B, 1B, 3B, 2B, 4B, 2B, 1B, 3B, 3B, 1B, 4B, 3B, 2B, 1B,

This is the space distribution of the alliance, sorted by activity (losses+damage):
Rank Space B Damage done B Damage taken ISK ratio
1 Catch 1838 695 73
2 Low_Derelik 1267 22 98
3 Querious 958 136 88
4 UUA-F4 586 301 66
5 Delve 589 282 68
6 Curse 417 305 58
7 Providence 521 164 76
8 Low_Heimatar 171 246 41
9 Stain 305 91 77
10 Low_Aridia 241 154 61
11 Etherium Reach 317 59 84
12 Low_Placid 261 103 72
13 Low_Black Rise 192 171 53
14 Wicked Creek 182 90 67
15 Insmother 236 31 88
16 Low_Domain 232 24 91
17 Fountain 195 59 77
18 Deklein 170 76 69
19 Great Wildlands 168 52 76
20 Vale of the Silent 192 28 87
21 Cloud Ring 117 84 58
- Other Highsec 118 95 56
- Other Lowsec 507 289 64
- Other Nullsec 1754 582 75
- Other WH space 116 72 62
- Total 11649 4209 73

This is the ship value distribution of the alliance. The total population has equal damage done and taken in all 6 groups. Please note that "Ships killed" is also de-inflated, if the alliance did 1% damage to a ship, they get 0.01 kill:
Ship value groups Ships killed B Damage done Ships lost B Damage taken
0-65M 62876 769 20917 356
66-200M 8010 903 4604 513
201-378M 4584 1188 2248 596
379-1023M 2756 1570 1782 1071
1024-2918M 934 1731 381 639
2919M+ 364 5488 88 1033
Total 79523 11649 30020 4209

This is the number of killers on reports for alliance. The total population has equal damage done and taken in all 6 groups. Please note that "Ships killed" is also de-inflated, if the alliance did 1% damage to a ship, they get 0.01 kill:
Killer number groups Ships killed B Damage done Ships lost B Damage taken
Solo 33765 1322 12716 688
2-3 13463 804 4554 564
4-6 9846 1319 3864 445
7-11 7484 1093 3011 744
12-28 8284 1859 3442 866
29+ 6681 5252 2433 901
Total 79523 11649 30020 4209

This is the distribution of damage betwee pilot groups:
B damage/pilot Number of pilots Total B damage Total B loss ISK ratio
Above 10B 297 7176 (62 %) 1421 (34 %) 83
1-10B 1086 4185 (36 %) 1753 (42 %) 70
0.1-1B 628 270 (2 %) 518 (12 %) 34
Below 0.1B 932 16 (0 %) 514 (12 %) 3

Below you can see the most active pilots of the alliance. Please note that only the in-alliance performance is listed. Also, if the pilot switched corps within the alliance, Joe (Corp A) is considered different from Joe (Corp B)
Rank Pilot B Damage done B Damage taken ISK ratio
1 RoCkEt X (Sniggerdly) 293 1 100
2 Destoya (Habitual Euthanasia) 119 130 48
3 Hanns (ElitistOps) 226 5 98
4 Nerd Trap (ElitistOps) 195 0 100
5 Dancul1001 (North Eastern Swat) 120 64 65
6 Bluemelon (ElitistOps) 1 158 0
7 CaptainNighthawk (Habitual Euthanasia) 156 0 100
8 Olivier Bouillon (ElitistOps) 2 118 2
9 Eva Einistera (Hoover Inc.) 80 24 77
10 Tinkeng (Habitual Euthanasia) 0 100 0
11 Lance Hawke (ElitistOps) 91 0 100
12 Lord Veninal (Sniggerdly) 78 0 100
13 Khan Teztsu (Sniggerdly) 75 0 100
14 Sasha Xoros (Sniggerdly) 61 9 87
15 Gerdan BloodELF (Sniggerdly) 50 20 72
16 Neda Tomas (Tr0pa de elite.) 52 16 77
17 Grath Telkin (Sniggerdly) 10 58 15
18 Loredana Cameron (North Eastern Swat) 61 3 96
19 ErrorRon (ElitistOps) 38 25 61
20 Arkale Dark (Habitual Euthanasia) 57 4 94
21 GoDziIIia (Hoover Inc.) 60 0 100
22 Propolis (Sniggerdly) 32 26 55
23 Dack Pilot (Sniggerdly) 54 4 93
24 Avery Lewis (Hoover Inc.) 41 16 72
25 Fallen Nyx (Hoover Inc.) 55 1 98
26 theelusiveyoda (Sniggerdly) 54 2 96
27 Sky IX (Sniggerdly) 55 0 100
28 Middi M (Sniggerdly) 54 0 100
29 Rampin Lampin (Sniggerdly) 45 9 84
30 turbocrazy1989 (Hoover Inc.) 39 14 73
31 Kylara Aleiron (Hoover Inc.) 19 33 36
32 So SuiMe (Reikoku) 37 12 76
33 penifSMASH (ElitistOps) 43 6 88
34 caidzi (Sniggerdly) 49 0 100
35 Quickload (Sniggerdly) 47 0 100
36 socos (Sniggerdly) 46 1 98
37 USS COLOSSUS (Hoover Inc.) 46 0 100
38 howling wind (ElitistOps) 34 13 73
39 Hydro Xide (North Eastern Swat) 29 17 64
40 MukkBarovian (Blackwater USA Inc.) 23 21 53
41 Skabet (Sniggerdly) 27 17 62
42 BlueMajere (North Eastern Swat) 32 11 74
43 Malice Aforethought (Blackwater USA Inc.) 22 20 53
44 Elanis (ElitistOps) 42 0 100
45 cmdr stone (ElitistOps) 34 8 80
46 Pompus Magnus (Sniggerdly) 42 0 100
47 Smelly PirateWhore (Reikoku) 32 10 77
48 Dog0fWaRR (Carpe Noctem.) 38 4 91
49 Hansy Babes (ElitistOps) 26 15 63
50 Techstrategyremake (Van Diemen's Demise) 23 17 57
51 Salivan Harddin (Reikoku) 34 6 85
52 Jeanne DuArc (Sniggerdly) 18 22 46
53 JakeMiester (Reikoku) 30 10 74
54 xxLesterxx (Sniggerdly) 39 0 100
55 packer (Body Count Inc.) 33 5 86
56 Aylin Feanturi (Sniggerdly) 0 38 0
57 Kimpaz (Reikoku) 30 7 80
58 Ripley Kaga (ElitistOps) 32 4 88
59 Terraunit (Sniggerdly) 22 14 62
60 Elisriel (Sniggerdly) 36 0 100
61 Owl Talon (Collapsed Out) 32 3 91
62 G'ofix (Sniggerdly) 32 4 89
63 OninoTimmo (ElitistOps) 34 2 95
64 Sho Menao (Sniggerdly) 18 17 52
65 ZeroScream (Sniggerdly) 34 0 100
66 Kyrenia (Sniggerdly) 34 0 100
67 Tappits (North Eastern Swat) 12 21 37
68 Darbarmic (Collapsed Out) 23 11 68
69 Panzerknack3r (Sniggerdly) 33 0 100
70 1koozya (Habitual Euthanasia) 31 1 96
71 Husker admin (Hoover Inc.) 27 5 83
72 Brain Gehirn (Reikoku) 31 2 95
73 Daray (Reikoku) 0 32 0
74 Tymaul (S.A.S) 21 11 65
75 Xaphanie Xoros (Sniggerdly) 25 7 79
76 Lord Mantus (Sniggerdly) 32 0 100
77 TaipanSan (ElitistOps) 24 7 76
78 DANGERUS4U DEAD (Cataclysm Enterprises) 13 18 41
79 Lindvere (North Eastern Swat) 25 6 82
80 muhadin (Sniggerdly) 17 14 55
81 Globby (ElitistOps) 26 5 85
82 Flamie (Carpe Noctem.) 23 7 76
83 Tiberius Varis (Blackwater USA Inc.) 26 4 88
84 Aldeb Haraz (Habitual Euthanasia) 30 0 100
85 Leo Nim (Carpe Noctem.) 28 2 94
86 onlyengel (Cataclysm Enterprises) 6 24 21
87 BIG BOS5 (Collapsed Out) 24 6 79
88 Sky Effect (Sniggerdly) 30 0 100
89 kamarr vost (Sniggerdly) 21 8 74
90 Needmore Longcat (Hoover Inc.) 22 7 76
91 Tide Mende (Tr0pa de elite.) 23 5 81
92 Stalex BigNoise (Sniggerdly) 21 8 74
93 Orangutang (Reikoku) 24 5 82
94 Faye Fantastic (Sniggerdly) 23 6 79
95 Lost Monkey Zerg (Collapsed Out) 28 0 100
96 HAwkxzz (Cataclysm Enterprises) 21 7 75
97 Ser Bus (North Eastern Swat) 26 2 94
98 dkn darkeN (Blackwater USA Inc.) 26 1 95
99 Aratosh (Body Count Inc.) 18 9 67
100 Dainael (Sniggerdly) 16 11 60
101 Siunaaja (Sniggerdly) 14 13 53
102 Frito11 (Carpe Noctem.) 24 3 91
103 Selnix (North Eastern Swat) 15 12 55
104 phalanx III (Sniggerdly) 2 24 7
105 simon perry (Sniggerdly) 26 0 100
106 Mehenn (Collapsed Out) 1 25 3
107 Elise Randolph (Habitual Euthanasia) 11 15 43
108 Katalci (Sniggerdly) 18 7 71
109 Suyer (Sniggerdly) 17 9 66
110 SpaceyX (Blackwater USA Inc.) 21 4 84
111 Eveli (Habitual Euthanasia) 15 10 59
112 matrixopoulos (Tr0pa de elite.) 17 9 66
113 Doomchinchilla (Collapsed Out) 19 6 75
114 Mark Hadden (Sniggerdly) 21 4 82
115 Mistress Doomie (Collapsed Out) 24 1 97
116 Farasoloni (North Eastern Swat) 19 6 77
117 Bandert (Van Diemen's Demise) 25 0 100
118 Qwynn (Carpe Noctem.) 19 5 78
119 #Structure (Blackwater USA Inc.) 0 25 0
120 Tsunami Dream (North Eastern Swat) 24 0 98
121 Ron Mexxico (Sniggerdly) 19 6 77
122 Misss Innocent (North Eastern Swat) 25 0 100
123 Paranormal Paradox (Sniggerdly) 24 0 100
124 Arturus Reno (Blackwater USA Inc.) 18 6 75
125 Koz Katral (Hoover Inc.) 18 6 76
126 Wren (Sniggerdly) 17 7 71
127 Sibasomos (Sniggerdly) 22 2 91
128 Tersa Hetei (Sniggerdly) 24 0 100
129 Momitsu (Cataclysm Enterprises) 21 3 89
130 Wey'oun (Hoover Inc.) 14 10 60
131 Frenchy666 (Carpe Noctem.) 23 1 98
132 Hoborak (Hoover Inc.) 9 15 38
133 Beh3motH (Sniggerdly) 18 6 75
134 Hlynurth (Habitual Euthanasia) 17 6 73
135 Sun Takkara (Van Diemen's Demise) 18 6 75
136 aimett (Sniggerdly) 23 0 100
137 Gamberone (Sniggerdly) 16 7 69
138 DrunkenNinja (Reikoku) 23 0 100
139 kahlan650 (S.A.S) 16 7 71
140 Perseus Kallistratos (North Eastern Swat) 15 8 65
141 Gvraget Anun (Tr0pa de elite.) 16 6 72
142 Royal Bliss (North Eastern Swat) 23 0 100
143 Alex Quintane (Blackwater USA Inc.) 19 4 81
144 ikir (Tr0pa de elite.) 19 4 82
145 reaTh (Reikoku) 18 5 79
146 razzukel certiko (Cataclysm Enterprises) 21 1 97
147 Cesar Minero (Carpe Noctem.) 22 0 100
148 0Musky (Blackwater USA Inc.) 8 14 37
149 Captain Homeless (Reikoku) 18 4 80
150 DarkNemisis II (ElitistOps) 16 6 72
151 Darren Fox (Sniggerdly) 13 9 60
152 Whitmore (Habitual Euthanasia) 19 2 90
153 DoraTheExplora Taft (Hoover Inc.) 18 3 85
154 Devylman (S.A.S) 18 3 85
155 Kel'en (Habitual Euthanasia) 4 17 21
156 Gudius II N-Meistriii (Reikoku) 16 6 74
157 The Djentleman Paulson (Hoover Inc.) 17 4 79
158 Himiko Lono (Carpe Noctem.) 21 0 100
159 Jops (Reikoku) 7 14 35
160 Commander Lor (Hoover Inc.) 0 21 1
161 Velsharoon (Carpe Noctem.) 12 9 58
162 2Girls 1Capsule (Reikoku) 21 0 100
163 Forthcoming Fate (S.A.S) 14 6 69
164 Kildee Wu (Hoover Inc.) 21 0 99
165 jack1974 (Reikoku) 17 4 82
166 Ktorn Sinus (ElitistOps) 11 10 53
167 FWIFF0 (ElitistOps) 6 14 31
168 xlop (Reikoku) 18 2 90
169 Lenid Kalkin (Sniggerdly) 18 3 86
170 Craggerz06 (S.A.S) 20 0 100
171 Daniel en Dankiest (ElitistOps) 10 10 49
172 Killah Bee (Cataclysm Enterprises) 10 10 51
173 conf t (Tr0pa de elite.) 20 0 100
174 Krova Destro (Hoover Inc.) 19 1 93
175 Amrastion Tasartir (ElitistOps) 20 0 100
- Sum of small ones 6204 2350 73
- Total 11649 4209 73

Below you can see the performance of the top corporations against the top enemies in format of B kills / B losses, color coded by ISK ratio of the corp against the enemy. The second line shows how big percentage of the killboard is against/from this enemy. If the activity of the corp against the enemy is less than half of the alliance average, their field is greyed out, showing that the corp didn't pull its weight against that enemy.
The rest BRAVE Nulli Se The Came Darkness BL GSF TEST Triumvir Kadeshi Soviet-U CO2 The Gorg
Alliance focus on enemy 62.3% 7.1% 4.8% 4.8% 4.0% 3.3% 3.1% 2.0% 2.0% 1.9% 1.8% 1.5% 1.4%
Other corps 8 / 8 3 / 2 1 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 1 1 / 0 1 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0
Sniggerdly 2218 / 756 222 / 66 160 / 18 16 / 2 114 / 15 107 / 20 72 / 49 51 / 14 84 / 5 89 / 4 41 / 12 28 / 24 31 / 28
ElitistOps 783 / 487 143 / 29 60 / 4 214 / 2 60 / 7 43 / 3 35 / 12 20 / 10 49 / 1 6 / 1 17 / 1 8 / 5 5 / 5
Hoover Inc. 591 / 219 106 / 45 53 / 6 0 / 0 84 / 6 36 / 4 33 / 10 38 / 8 14 / 4 24 / 1 17 / 3 19 / 10 22 / 10
Habitual Euthanasia 360 / 241 69 / 18 63 / 2 158 / 128 27 / 3 38 / 4 12 / 7 16 / 6 11 / 1 34 / 0 7 / 4 6 / 3 2 / 1
Reikoku 540 / 264 45 / 10 51 / 7 0 / 0 49 / 10 25 / 7 27 / 12 24 / 7 16 / 1 31 / 2 29 / 1 15 / 6 7 / 15
North Eastern Swat 325 / 134 66 / 21 38 / 1 160 / 65 24 / 5 49 / 6 21 / 9 20 / 4 8 / 3 47 / 1 14 / 1 10 / 1 4 / 5
Blackwater USA Inc. 364 / 175 85 / 36 77 / 5 0 / 0 38 / 9 45 / 20 22 / 9 30 / 5 14 / 2 10 / 1 19 / 5 11 / 3 4 / 14
Collapsed Out 354 / 207 4 / 1 88 / 4 15 / 0 51 / 4 7 / 2 23 / 12 16 / 6 35 / 1 17 / 0 25 / 1 8 / 1 11 / 5
Tr0pa de elite. 235 / 99 26 / 5 21 / 1 0 / 0 6 / 4 30 / 6 23 / 14 7 / 1 5 / 7 16 / 1 9 / 3 27 / 11 2 / 4
Carpe Noctem. 344 / 72 1 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 32 / 5 0 / 0 18 / 8 1 / 0 35 / 0 0 / 0 8 / 1 6 / 3 1 / 1
Van Diemen's Demise 167 / 124 43 / 18 28 / 5 0 / 0 41 / 4 9 / 2 11 / 4 12 / 5 1 / 1 3 / 1 28 / 4 3 / 1 5 / 7
Cataclysm Enterprises 254 / 111 3 / 0 20 / 1 0 / 0 12 / 5 5 / 2 14 / 7 2 / 1 5 / 1 5 / 1 21 / 2 11 / 3 12 / 4
S.A.S 203 / 83 16 / 6 26 / 1 0 / 0 8 / 5 18 / 1 8 / 3 5 / 2 6 / 0 4 / 2 3 / 2 10 / 3 4 / 2
Body Count Inc. 106 / 46 29 / 6 23 / 0 0 / 0 7 / 0 27 / 5 7 / 2 8 / 3 3 / 1 2 / 0 4 / 0 3 / 1 1 / 10

Below you can see the performance of the top corporations in the top regions of the alliance. If the corp activity in that region is less than half of the alliance average, it's greyed out:
Catch Low_Derel Querious UUA-F4 Delve Curse Providenc Low_Heima Stain Low_Aridi Other Hig Other Low Other Nul Other WH
Alliance focus on region 16.0% 8.1% 6.9% 5.6% 5.5% 4.5% 4.3% 2.6% 2.5% 2.5% 1.3% 11.2% 27.7% 1.2%
Other corps 6 / 4 0 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 4 1 / 1 1 / 0 2 / 0 0 / 0 0 / 0 3 / 1 2 / 1 0 / 0
Sniggerdly 421 / 178 775 / 9 162 / 28 23 / 2 113 / 47 91 / 63 174 / 59 51 / 21 57 / 18 39 / 5 15 / 41 395 / 214 842 / 278 74 / 48
ElitistOps 153 / 67 220 / 5 181 / 18 216 / 2 54 / 22 59 / 11 50 / 14 28 / 159 20 / 4 19 / 119 31 / 5 156 / 49 250 / 84 6 / 7
Hoover Inc. 208 / 89 26 / 0 133 / 12 0 / 0 90 / 24 46 / 28 37 / 19 9 / 5 27 / 5 8 / 2 22 / 7 59 / 28 365 / 105 6 / 2
Habitual Euthanasia 170 / 43 54 / 1 40 / 4 162 / 230 28 / 18 29 / 9 24 / 4 5 / 2 24 / 8 7 / 1 9 / 6 40 / 48 209 / 45 1 / 0
Reikoku 146 / 47 16 / 1 67 / 11 0 / 0 62 / 33 31 / 46 54 / 17 14 / 44 49 / 19 26 / 8 11 / 3 81 / 33 295 / 81 8 / 2
North Eastern Swat 181 / 62 44 / 1 42 / 7 167 / 66 31 / 19 23 / 12 28 / 5 7 / 1 12 / 3 8 / 1 3 / 4 45 / 24 194 / 48 1 / 4
Blackwater USA Inc. 172 / 81 36 / 3 63 / 11 0 / 0 46 / 18 26 / 38 32 / 12 13 / 3 48 / 11 33 / 5 1 / 1 44 / 20 201 / 80 3 / 0
Collapsed Out 55 / 9 6 / 0 99 / 12 17 / 1 39 / 17 26 / 23 28 / 8 12 / 4 1 / 0 71 / 2 6 / 7 68 / 61 218 / 99 8 / 2
Tr0pa de elite. 65 / 15 27 / 0 13 / 10 0 / 0 12 / 5 10 / 14 12 / 4 6 / 0 6 / 2 5 / 1 1 / 1 22 / 12 224 / 91 4 / 1
Carpe Noctem. 22 / 7 5 / 0 46 / 6 0 / 0 26 / 11 14 / 8 18 / 5 12 / 1 1 / 0 2 / 1 7 / 2 148 / 29 145 / 21 0 / 1
Van Diemen's Demise 90 / 49 7 / 1 51 / 2 0 / 0 14 / 12 12 / 20 9 / 4 2 / 0 20 / 9 9 / 4 1 / 8 20 / 17 117 / 49 0 / 2
Cataclysm Enterprises 68 / 13 8 / 1 19 / 6 0 / 0 40 / 24 21 / 7 20 / 7 5 / 0 0 / 0 6 / 3 7 / 7 63 / 28 106 / 39 0 / 2
S.A.S 32 / 17 16 / 0 26 / 7 0 / 0 22 / 23 16 / 7 25 / 4 4 / 4 27 / 7 6 / 0 2 / 1 32 / 16 102 / 24 2 / 0
Body Count Inc. 50 / 14 25 / 0 15 / 1 1 / 0 11 / 9 12 / 15 10 / 5 2 / 1 12 / 5 2 / 1 1 / 1 16 / 6 61 / 17 2 / 0

Below you can see the % damages on the kills of the corp. It shows how much they fly with themselves, with their alliance and with strangers:
Corporation Corp % Alliance % Alien %
Sniggerdly 51 32 17
ElitistOps 45 43 12
Hoover Inc. 42 49 10
Habitual Euthanasia 38 52 9
Reikoku 40 48 12
North Eastern Swat 34 55 11
Blackwater USA Inc. 28 63 9
Collapsed Out 29 62 10
Tr0pa de elite. 41 43 17
Carpe Noctem. 42 43 15
Van Diemen's Demise 40 53 7
Cataclysm Enterprises 49 41 10
S.A.S 28 60 12
Body Count Inc. 18 72 10

14 comments:

nightgerbil said...

Just a point I want to make about Elise Randolph and Grath Telkin, plus what I assume are the other PL Fc's your showing up there with Red kill boards. Those will be a)titan losses and B) early titan/ship losses I think, as it is standard practise it seems to headshot the enemy Fc's first to get them off the field.

I won't bore you at length about this or how those red Kbs by your stats came about, but its important to point out if you reference back to this post in 6 months time saying Elise or Grath are terrible pilots and here is proof: that being an FC will mean your targeted first and thus not around to contribute the future enemy reinforcements while taking higher losses then indiv. fleet pilots even in those situations where your fleets massacre the enemy.

If you intend at some point to reference back to this post to question PL fcs competence, it might help your cause to analysis their personnal kill boards and find out why Grath Telkin, Elise Randolph, et al are red. Was it titan losses? was it command lokis? was it ratting supers and botted hulks?

Unknown said...

You are not taking into account Pandemic Horde or Waffles either who regularly fly with PL.

Gevlon said...

@Nightgerbil: did I claim any different? I just stated the fact that they lost much more ships than killed

@Unknown: both waffles and PH are listed among the "helpers" of PL, the groups that got on the same kills as PL.

Jim L said...

If I was sitting in a lecture on WWII and the speaker mentioned that General Dwight D Esienhower never fired his personal weapon at the enemy I would think it kind of odd.

Even though it is a true statement, the fact that the speaker thought it was important enough to mention would detract from his credibility.

Anonymous said...

Some people need to understand numbers vs their own biases.

Gevlon post top 50 pilots based on isk kills + losses unfiltered. And all red means is kills < losses.

Handle the raw data and interpret, or wait for someone to spoonfeed it for you.

PL FCs are probably to be on that list because they lost some ship or another and are too busy leading to care about kills, hence the red. Which is an understandable red, because one needs to interpret statistics.

Elise and such points to PL green as their personal success, while a rank and file member would be more concerned with their own kb color. Eisenhower may not have fired a shot, but his decisions lead to more deaths than any individual grunt soldier. It all depends on perspective and narrative.


Anonymous said...

"did I claim any different? I just stated the fact that they lost much more ships than killed"
I think his problem is that you seem to imply that K:D ratio has something to do with skill, which it doesn't. They are good figures but they really mean very little out of context.

Gevlon said...

I'm not "implying". I very clearly state that K:D has a very strong correlation with skill. Sure, it's not 100%, there are outliers, like FCs and celebrities always primaried having worse and lucky guy who shoots a Rifter and finds 60 PLEX-es in the kill. But I would say that if pilot A has better K:D than pilot B, then A is better than B 90% of the cases.

Anonymous said...

"I very clearly state that K:D has a very strong correlation with skill."
OK, in that case his problem is that you state that a K:D has a very strong correlation with skill. The reality is that it doesn't. If someone a logi to rep him while he shoots down an opponent, he is not more skilled he simply has an advantage. If someone shoots and AFK pilot he is not more skilled he is just the only one currently able to react.

At the same time, K:D ratio is also affected by risk aversion. Someone that refuses to fly expensive ships is much more likely to have a higher K:D ratio, simply by getting on a few moderately expensive kills, even if he loses his ship whenever he is in battle. If you have a ship that costs 2 mil and you keep doing 2% damage on ships worth 500m then getting blown up while your mate blows the target up, your K:D will be 5:1, yet you are incapable of even surviving a one sided battle. On the other hand if a guy in a unique frigate (like an AT ship) is killing hundreds of other people 3 at a time then one day gets popped by a 10 man fleet, his K:D will plummet, but in reality he's a skilled fighter.

There's nothing that categorically proves that K:D has anything to do with skill. I'd certainly argue that someone with too high a K:D (above 80% or so) is likely to simply be more risk averse, fighting only in groups and/or cheap ships.

Gevlon said...

So you believe that there is an unmeasurable "skill". Let me guess, you also believe that you and your friends have a lot.

Here is the thing: I would much rather have the guy with the logi alt on my team than the idiot who roams in an AT ship.

Anonymous said...

"So you believe that there is an unmeasurable "skill"."
No, I simply don't believe that you can measure skill from the incredibly limited information given by kill reports. There's a lot of information about the context of the kills missing

"Let me guess, you also believe that you and your friends have a lot."
No, I'd say me and my friends are average.

"Here is the thing: I would much rather have the guy with the logi alt on my team than the idiot who roams in an AT ship."
That's great, but that doesn't mean he's a more skilled pilot. If both were put into exactly the same ship and situation, the AT ship guy would likely outperform the guy who can only survive when backed by logi. This is why blindly measuring by killboard stats is simply not a good enough metric to determine player skill. I'd much rather have the more competent pilot by my side, the one who knows how to manage his transversal and fights well against the enemy ships, since the situation won't always allow for him to call in his logi support while he presses F1.

Gevlon said...

OK, I simplify it for you. Even if that magical "skill" exists, it doesn't matter (ourside AT). The pilot with more "skill" is not more useful to his team than the pilot without it. The pilot who knows how to have a good killboard (using alts, picking fights, using cost-effective ships) on the other hand is a great member to have.

Anonymous said...

"Even if that magical "skill" exists, it doesn't matter (ourside AT). The pilot with more "skill" is not more useful to his team than the pilot without it. The pilot who knows how to have a good killboard (using alts, picking fights, using cost-effective ships) on the other hand is a great member to have"
Skill obviously does exist, it's the ability to play the game to win, something you claim to go for. Do you not see that by instead playing to simply avoid damage doesn't make you a winner? A pilot that won't use a more powerful ship because they fear loss is useless to anyone looking to win. Sure, they can go after easy targets and will be guaranteed to lose less than they kill, but they don't stand a chance of actually killing anything important. In WoW, it's the people who repeatedly grind heroics, but never take on the end-game raids. They kill more bosses, but they never kill the best ones, and you would class them as morons and slackers.

Gevlon said...

What do these "skilled" people win? Not wars for sure. So far the anti-elitist zerging Goons won everything, the only one who can beat them is the "cowardly ganker" MoA.

The "skilled" is like the idiot front of Orgrimmar shouting "duel me".

Anonymous said...

"What do these "skilled" people win? Not wars for sure. So far the anti-elitist zerging Goons won everything, the only one who can beat them is the "cowardly ganker" MoA.

The "skilled" is like the idiot front of Orgrimmar shouting "duel me"."
Being a PvP game, the skilled people win the knowledge they can defeat other people, that when they go up against tall odds they will win. Goons aren't winning EVE, they are just carebears, owning sov really doesn't mean anything. Then again, MoA aren't beating them either since they aren't able to stop goons being carebears. With the WoW analogy, MoA are the guys running into a levelling zone, killing a low level player then running away when a bigger player shows up shouting "haha I'm winning".

I think the problem you have here is that you pick the statistics you count as winning because they fit what you want to believe, not because they are actually good metrics. A player could go out with a fresh character, kill a single ship and their kill ratio would be infinite. That should be enough to show that they are flawed, even if you ignore the gaping holes that logi, tackle and ECM put in killboards.