As you probably know, the Goon propaganda site proudly announced that Corbexx, the former WH CSM, who was re-elected with WH votes abandoned his voters and will represent Goons instead. It's not like I didn't warn everyone when he signed the Document of Shame.
But there is nothing to do about it now, right? Goons just took the representation and votes from WH space and the WH people can't do anything to hit back, right?
Wrong! Goons are extremely vulnerable to small-gangs. Just in the last few days multiple expensive ships died to the "NPC trash" Mordus Angels. In February - just like in the previous months - the top CFC killers were such small groups.
WH people could do the same, using nothing but few months old alts capable of flying interceptors, assault frigates, stealth bombers, with a few Black Ops pilots. Just create an anti-CFC altcorp, collecting alst of bloodthirsty WH players and move to a K346 system. These are C3 WHs with static nullsec connection, 300Gg (battleship) mass limit, 3000Gg total maximum. With MWD battleships you can roll the static until you get into a back-end CFC constellation. Then unleash the scouts, tackle the ratters and Black Ops bridge the rest of the fleet. When finished with them or a response fleet forms, just return to the hole, roll it and do it again few regions away. No intel channel and spying could help the Goons against this. After the new Sov mechanics, the whole constellation can be reinforced as bonus, since the locals won't be prepared to defend something deep behind the lines. If they form a fleet and do the 30+ jumps to the assaulted constellation, the attackers disappear - or welcome them with a T3 fleet that WH PvP-ers are famous for and destroy their T1 cruiser-frig crap.
With such tactics the life of CFC could be made hell and lots of kills could be achieved with little effort. The system can easily be supplied by rolling the hole to an NPC null system with a station and jump-freighting supplies to that station, then carrying everything inside in deep space transports. It's needless to say that if such corp would get decent (40B+) monthly CFC kills, I'd gladly add them to my support list with about 3B/week, but they could get money from the mains who are fat from capital escalations.
WH people! Show the Goons that one don't just steal your votes and walk away with it! Kill them all!
But there is nothing to do about it now, right? Goons just took the representation and votes from WH space and the WH people can't do anything to hit back, right?
Wrong! Goons are extremely vulnerable to small-gangs. Just in the last few days multiple expensive ships died to the "NPC trash" Mordus Angels. In February - just like in the previous months - the top CFC killers were such small groups.
WH people could do the same, using nothing but few months old alts capable of flying interceptors, assault frigates, stealth bombers, with a few Black Ops pilots. Just create an anti-CFC altcorp, collecting alst of bloodthirsty WH players and move to a K346 system. These are C3 WHs with static nullsec connection, 300Gg (battleship) mass limit, 3000Gg total maximum. With MWD battleships you can roll the static until you get into a back-end CFC constellation. Then unleash the scouts, tackle the ratters and Black Ops bridge the rest of the fleet. When finished with them or a response fleet forms, just return to the hole, roll it and do it again few regions away. No intel channel and spying could help the Goons against this. After the new Sov mechanics, the whole constellation can be reinforced as bonus, since the locals won't be prepared to defend something deep behind the lines. If they form a fleet and do the 30+ jumps to the assaulted constellation, the attackers disappear - or welcome them with a T3 fleet that WH PvP-ers are famous for and destroy their T1 cruiser-frig crap.
With such tactics the life of CFC could be made hell and lots of kills could be achieved with little effort. The system can easily be supplied by rolling the hole to an NPC null system with a station and jump-freighting supplies to that station, then carrying everything inside in deep space transports. It's needless to say that if such corp would get decent (40B+) monthly CFC kills, I'd gladly add them to my support list with about 3B/week, but they could get money from the mains who are fat from capital escalations.
WH people! Show the Goons that one don't just steal your votes and walk away with it! Kill them all!
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Dude, you should set up the infrastructure for that! Non-combat time per kill is the limiter for pvp types, right? So if you can reduce that, you should be able to attract pilots, and I think it plays to your strong points.
@ anom418:
was already suggested to him...
Oh geez Gev. Don't tell WH people how to execute a traitor. We do have scan alts seeded in his Brave Newbies training WH system as well as in his industry C4 system.
Let the fun begin.
He could not betray wormholers in general but he did humiliated WH peoples' VOTES.
@Anonymous: I have no idea how to run a WH secure. A Goon spy would take everything and laugh. I can only provide money.
@Pashko Zpc: it's not about one traitor. You can pwn him enough that he quits the game in shame. But as long as Goons exist, they'll "metagame" your next CSM too. You can build anything and they will bring it down just for fun. If you destroy the Goons, there will be no place for traitors to go = no traitors.
While it's an absolutely shitty betrayal from someone who should know better and will likely live to regret it, what you described would actually work on any empire, by the sound of it. Why haven't we seen more of this?
@Posix: because there is no point to do it besides revenge/grudge. Why would anyone level an alt and live in a wormhole to kill random ratters and miners?! If you want to kill random people, highsec miner ganking is much easier.
I doubt that WH people will retaliate. would be nice if they did. I just don't see them team up over this.
In a way, it sucks, but the dudes alliance did just fold through (to my knowledge) no fault of his own. Seems pretty natural that he would look for a new home, and maybe Goons sounded good after working closely with them on the CSM for a year.
Do consider a few things in this story:
First that the NoHo collapse only happened recently (last two weeks).
Second should the CFC really have planned this in advance, they could have had him not officially join and instead just advocate for the things they wanted, and maybe even get him re-elected next year too. That plan would gain them far more in the short and long term.
The most logical version of events therefore goes: Corbexx was looking for a new home. Sion/Mynnna offered him a spot in Goons at a high enough level, which he accepted. Sion and Corbexx decided to pull the stunt at fanfest to troll everyone.
I'd say mission success there, the tears here and on Reddit must be fantastic for those who enjoy that. Corbexx has lived in WH for long enough to know what people will try, I'd be stunned if his (valuable) stuff isn't already removed, hilarious that Pashko there seems to think that going after the Brave training WH is a good way to get revenge on him...
I understand that he didn't anticipate NOHO collapse. But I'm sure he signed the Document of Shame half year ago, which means he was working with Goons at least that long.
@Anonyomous:
"Do consider a few things in this story:
First that the NoHo collapse only happened recently (last two weeks).
Second should the CFC really have planned this in advance..."
From the above-linked TMC article:
"Corbexx spoke to us shortly after this occurred confirming that the plan had been in motion before any issues arising within NOHO."
So it *was* planned in advance, before the collapse -- the man says so himself.
Whether it matters, only time will tell. Hopefully Corbexx will be able to represent those who voted for him, and WH play in general, with little interference from his new allegiance.
Wasted vote? Not yet. But watch this (WH) space...
Popping out in the middle of null through a hole tosses you on the 3rd party intel networks. So rolling holes until goons isn't really going to work well.
LOL that's like a senator for Iowa suddenly saying "Bite me, Iowa! I work for Texas now!"
In an ACTUAL representative council system, these kinds of things are dealt with procedurally... like he would have to quit the council and a new guy would be voted in.
Your proposition "may" be right, if not two major flaws:
1. Killing single ratters won't destroy CFC [Goonswarm in this case], because it's like killing few ants from anthill;
2. WH guys wont engage and/or try to take sov. They've got more interesting stuff to do in wormholes.
Did you actually warn people that Corbexx would defect as a result of signing the "document of shame"?
Also how do you make the leap that anyone who signs it is working for goons? By that logic, every single major nullsec entity, even those sworn enemies of the goons, are working for goons. Doesn't make sense....
Where are these "sworn enemies"?! Farming BRAVE, I guess.
For the other nullsec powers "work for Goons" is likely not true, but "work with Goons" is. They simply shared the map and do not attack each other.
Everyone who signed the Document of Shame is working by the same plan as the Goons. I'm not saying Goons invented it, but they surely benefit from it the most.
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