Update! The official recruitment post is up! And I can't mess up this project because I'm not running it. The Marmite Collective directors do it, I just pay the bills.
So the POCO I reinforced came out tonight, 1:30 for my local time. My original plan was to simply leave my pilots in local and go to sleep to let Goons troll the AFK computer, but I admit, I couldn't resist peaking, so I alarm clocked to see how local looks like and maybe kill some Goons.
Well, I guess you don't blame me for not undocking into this:
At the bottom you can see the complete chatlog, I here just pick the best gem:
You are wrong little bee. I reinforced the POCO because I wanted to be space-important. The directors showing up on the reinforces and you, 25 repping it made it reality. You proved that Goons indeed give small-scale fights in highsec at their POCOs, making my crazy, Hail-Mary, last-desperate-idea-before-quiting idea into reality. These screenshots and the 7 pages of Goons trolling, asking, arguing me to stop will lure awful lot of highsec PvP-ers into the alliance. You are the big, white whale of EVE Online, the one that controls half of nullsec and threatens the other half, and a single player can challenge you, drag you to a highsec with strange and unforgiving aggression mechanics, to be preys of lurking gate- and undock camps, small gangs and such niceties that highsec PvP groups have perfected. Now I add a legion of PvP-wannabees, white knights and 1 months old alts of your null enemies into the mixture.
Lucas Kell, a busy commenter use to troll me that I should beat out Goons from regions instead of posting. Well, let's start with Lonetrek, Forge, and Citadel.
As you can see, The Marmite Collective, the largest highsec ganker and wardeccer organization, with 7-800B/month kills is organizing the Lemmings that will end the Goon menace in highsec! I'm sure there will be a few days to iron everything out, but very soon you can join in the massacre of Goons. Foreverwar on, until Goons will have no options but to accept my terms!
Update: damnit. I must let the war lapse on the corp Grr Goonswarm as it can't join an alliance while being an aggressor in a highsec war. But as Lemmings have already declared the war, I can be back as soon as various alliance cooldowns are completed!
So the POCO I reinforced came out tonight, 1:30 for my local time. My original plan was to simply leave my pilots in local and go to sleep to let Goons troll the AFK computer, but I admit, I couldn't resist peaking, so I alarm clocked to see how local looks like and maybe kill some Goons.
Well, I guess you don't blame me for not undocking into this:
At the bottom you can see the complete chatlog, I here just pick the best gem:
Lucas Kell, a busy commenter use to troll me that I should beat out Goons from regions instead of posting. Well, let's start with Lonetrek, Forge, and Citadel.
As you can see, The Marmite Collective, the largest highsec ganker and wardeccer organization, with 7-800B/month kills is organizing the Lemmings that will end the Goon menace in highsec! I'm sure there will be a few days to iron everything out, but very soon you can join in the massacre of Goons. Foreverwar on, until Goons will have no options but to accept my terms!
Update: damnit. I must let the war lapse on the corp Grr Goonswarm as it can't join an alliance while being an aggressor in a highsec war. But as Lemmings have already declared the war, I can be back as soon as various alliance cooldowns are completed!
Local log:
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Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30002642),)
Channel Name: Local
Listener: Ragnar Goblin
Session started: 2014.01.10 20:58:58
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[ 2014.01.10 21:17:22 ] Tubrug1 > Ragnar Goblin Botslayer Goblin Avat Goblin
[ 2014.01.10 21:17:26 ] Tubrug1 > Sup
[ 2014.01.10 21:17:33 ] Tubrug1 > I'll be pet repping if that's okay with you
[ 2014.01.10 21:19:07 ] Tubrug1 > Can we have some kind of Ibis duel?
[ 2014.01.10 21:53:18 ] Tubrug1 > Gevlon Goblin hi
[ 2014.01.10 21:53:24 ] Tubrug1 > Or should I say woof
[ 2014.01.10 21:54:56 ] Tubrug1 > Did you get any pets from your forum thread?
[ 2014.01.10 22:02:32 ] Tubrug1 > Gevlon Goblin I don't know if you know this but... between you and me... I was sent here by my master
[ 2014.01.10 22:21:51 ] Tubrug1 > I declare this system successfully defended in the name of The Mittani
[ 2014.01.10 22:22:10 ] Tubrug1 > The cause of GoonKind has been advanced by your defeat here Gevlon
[ 2014.01.11 00:22:59 ] Kanoubi > Obscura Star 0/
[ 2014.01.11 00:54:42 ] Boston10 > Don't mind us..
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:17 ] Kooter Ghasha > Z
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:22 ] Kylie Myr > 0
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:27 ] Rhes > r
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:30 ] Ted McManfist > z
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:40 ] Kooter Ghasha > 0
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:45 ] Briesse > r
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:47 ] Rhes > z
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:53 ] Ted McManfist > 0
[ 2014.01.11 00:56:54 ] Kooter Ghasha > r
[ 2014.01.11 00:57:01 ] Briesse > z
[ 2014.01.11 00:57:05 ] Rhes > 0
[ 2014.01.11 00:57:17 ] Ted McManfist > r
[ 2014.01.11 00:57:21 ] Kylie Myr > z
[ 2014.01.11 00:57:55 ] Rhes > 0
[ 2014.01.11 00:58:09 ] Cactusfrankie > ~saved
[ 2014.01.11 00:58:23 ] Ted McManfist > :toot:
[ 2014.01.11 00:58:39 ] Ted McManfist > But MY OPPORTUNITY COST!!!
[ 2014.01.11 00:58:56 ] Rhes > When do I get my isk for saving this POCO?
[ 2014.01.11 00:59:11 ] Ted McManfist > We get paid at 100%
[ 2014.01.11 00:59:25 ] Rhes > I feel oppressed
[ 2014.01.11 00:59:28 ] Giuseppe Arbosa > I thought it was percentage based Ted?
[ 2014.01.11 00:59:33 ] Briesse > I want my .02 isk yo
[ 2014.01.11 00:59:38 ] Briesse > must rep up this poco
[ 2014.01.11 00:59:45 ] Kyle Myr > I brought 2 dudes for more spacegold
[ 2014.01.11 00:59:56 ] Briesse > man cheater, that's like .04 isk
[ 2014.01.11 01:00:07 ] Ted McManfist > Every bit counts
[ 2014.01.11 01:00:14 ] Rhes > if I invite two friends to poco saves do I get a cut of their payout?
[ 2014.01.11 01:00:32 ] Briesse > only if they don't lose any time to the opportunity cost monster
[ 2014.01.11 01:00:33 ] Ted McManfist > Goonswarm isn't responsible for whatever deal you make
[ 2014.01.11 01:01:03 ] Rhes > damn...I could be ratting right now
[ 2014.01.11 01:01:25 ] Ted McManfist > OUr masters have commanded us to rep this POCO. We rep
[ 2014.01.11 01:01:35 ] Rhes > Gevlon is such a ~puppetmasta~
[ 2014.01.11 01:01:37 ] Ted McManfist > DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITAH!
[ 2014.01.11 01:01:51 ] Mara Tessidar > I am not getting paid anywhere near enough for this
[ 2014.01.11 01:01:55 ] Briesse > please sir can you reinforce more pocos? I need to feed my family
[ 2014.01.11 01:02:11 ] Boston10 > Ha
[ 2014.01.11 01:02:25 ] Ted McManfist > Ayn Rand woud totally ref POCOs
[ 2014.01.11 01:02:34 ] Rhes > your family must work for their food...it's the ayn rand way
[ 2014.01.11 01:05:31 ] Kyle Myr > A man shoots pocos, a slave reps them.
[ 2014.01.11 01:05:42 ] Thomas Nardieus > thats nice
[ 2014.01.11 01:05:53 ] Giuseppe Arbosa > Slaves don't get paid, we do
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:01 ] Briesse > yeah
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:08 ] Briesse > .02 isk per poco repped per pilot
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:11 ] Lizard Skin > Am I a pet or a slave, I get confused
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:14 ] Boston10 > WOOOOO
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:15 ] Briesse > it's really quite a deal
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:17 ] Boston10 > I'm going to be rich
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:22 ] Briesse > I KNOW RIGHT
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:24 ] Thomas Nardieus > do you guys have nothing better to do?
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:40 ] Briesse > just a few more pocos and I can buy 1 tritanium!
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:42 ] Boston10 > Whats better then repping pocos?
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:42 ] Admiral Atradies > hello!?!?!
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:46 ] Thomas Nardieus > go kill something
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:55 ] Boston10 > How do we kill something?
[ 2014.01.11 01:06:58 ] Boston10 > Teach me?
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:01 ] Rhes > Thomas Nardieus we are here because Gevlon Goblin wants to be space important
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:04 ] Thomas Nardieus > target, press F1
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:15 ] Thomas Nardieus > thats how you kill things in eve
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:16 ] Briesse > shoot red croses?
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:17 ] JohnCrichton > There isn't a target store near me though ?
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:19 ] Boston10 > I did nothing is happening only repping a poco now.
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:22 ] Lizard Skin > Admiral Atradies \o/
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:31 ] Admiral Atradies > hey lizard lol WHat up playa
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:35 ] MrLindvig > when i press f1 i repper stuff
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:40 ] darkwars0 > o/
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:48 ] Boston10 > MrLindvig Same here!
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:52 ] Boston10 > How do we kill stuff?!
[ 2014.01.11 01:07:59 ] Thomas Nardieus > you got no guns that go pew pew?
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:01 ] Admiral Atradies > I was jelous ppl got to play in highsec, so i came to watch
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:02 ] MrLindvig > comeon teach us
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:15 ] Rhes > highsec is the worst
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:18 ] Boston10 > Thomas Nardieus TEACH US!@
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:23 ] Briesse > I'm making serious isk repping this poco ok
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:26 ] Ted McManfist > If you can call this "playing"
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:30 ] Lizard Skin > its not save here, rules keep killing me
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:34 ] Boston10 > Best isk making in all of highsec
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:36 ] Thomas Nardieus > have you got repers that go "VOOSH VOOSH"
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:38 ] Rhes > if I didn't need the isk so bad I wouldn't be here repping a poco
[ 2014.01.11 01:08:43 ] Mara Tessidar > I quit my real job to earn ISK in Eve
[ 2014.01.11 01:09:02 ] Briesse > my real job IS eve, duh
[ 2014.01.11 01:09:08 ] Marina Mayhem > 10 more pocos and we can afford ammo for a t1 blaster
[ 2014.01.11 01:09:14 ] Briesse > awesome
[ 2014.01.11 01:09:24 ] Briesse > I'd like to be able to shoot a g
un, never tried it before
[ 2014.01.11 01:09:40 ] Rhes > I checked the appendix of Atlas Shrugged and discovered that the opportunity cost of repping a poco is higher than that of afk ratting
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:05 ] Briesse > but yeah guys remember
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:12 ] Thomas Nardieus > then you arent AFK ratting right
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:13 ] Briesse > if we lose this poco ALL OF GOONSWARM WILL COLLAPSE
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:18 ] Thomas Nardieus > you need to do it in a super
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:21 ] Boston10 > Indeed!
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:38 ] Briesse > I mean this poco costs 500m so
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:40 ] Rhes > do we even have a ship replacement program anymore?
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:45 ] Boston10 > No
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:47 ] Ted McManfist > I'm using my supre to deliver space-pizza
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:52 ] Laranzu Talshiar > No Space Communism is Dead
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:53 ] Boston10 > Whats a ship replacement program?!
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:56 ] Rhes > RIP Goons
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:58 ] Wetel Odefor > is this poco the lynch-pin?
[ 2014.01.11 01:10:59 ] Thomas Nardieus > how do i order space pizza?
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:01 ] Lizard Skin > what about the poco replacement program ?
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:27 ] Briesse > I would need to rep 250 000 000 000 more pocos to afford a poco
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:27 ] Rhes > we had a poco replacement program but Mittens stole it to buy a yacht
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:29 ] Admiral Atradies > i have now offically combined two ships into one by slamming them together
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:33 ] Briesse > pocos are way too expensive
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:37 ] Briesse > our logistics backbone
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:41 ] Thomas Nardieus > Admiral Atradies is it a minmatar ship?
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:43 ] Boston10 > Pocos cost like 1 trillion isk
[ 2014.01.11 01:11:58 ] Ted McManfist > If you cram two Scythes together, do you get a scimitar?
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:02 ] Cactusfrankie > .╔═╦╗╔╦═╦╗╔╗║╔╣║║║╔╣║╔═══╗║╚╣║║║║║╚║Gevlon Goblin║╔╣║║║║║╔╚╗══╝║║║╚╝║╚╣║╗║╚╝╚══╩═╩╝╚╝
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:10 ] Thomas Nardieus > "The more you know!"
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:15 ] Boston10 > .╔═╦╗╔╦═╦╗╔╗║╔╣║║║╔╣║╔═══╗║╚╣║║║║║╚║Gevlon Goblin║╔╣║║║║║╔╚╗══╝║║║╚╝║╚╣║╗║╚╝╚══╩═╩╝╚╝
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:32 ] Cactusfrankie > ▒▒▒▒░░▓▓▓▓▓▒▒▒▒▓▓▓░░▒▒▒▒▒▒▒░▒▓▓▓▓▓░░░░░░▒▓▓▓░▒▒▒▒▒░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░▓▓▒░▒▒▒░▓▓▓▓▒░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒▓▓▓░▒▒░▓▒░░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░▒▒▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒▓▓▓░░░░░▓▓░░░░░░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██░░█▓▓█░░░██▒▓▓▒▒▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒▒▓▓▓░▓▒▓▓
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:33 ] Cactusfrankie > .▓▓▓░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░▓▓▓▓▓░░▓▓▓▓░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░▓▓▓▓▓▓░░░░░░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░▒▒░▒▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒░▒▒▒▒░▒▓▓▓▓▒▒▒▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒░▒▒▒▒▒▒░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒░░▒▒▒▒
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:40 ] Admiral Atradies > ,'``.._ ,'``. :,--._:)\,:,._,.: All Glory to :`--,'' :`...';\ the HYPNO TOAD! `,' `---' `. / : / \ ,'
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:42 ] Admiral Atradies > awe
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:45 ] Admiral Atradies > =(
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:46 ] Rhes > be nice to gevlon...we might need him to donate isk to our SRP [ 2014.01.11 01:12:47 ] Boston10 > .╔═╦╗╔╦═╦╗╔╗║╔╣║║║╔╣║╔═══╗║╚╣║║║║║╚║Gevlon Goblin║╔╣║║║║║╔╚╗══╝║║║╚╝║╚╣║╗║╚╝╚══╩═╩╝╚╝
[ 2014.01.11 01:12:53 ] Boston10 > WOOOOOo
[ 2014.01.11 01:13:15 ] Ryno Caval > lol slight fail
[ 2014.01.11 01:13:20 ] Boston10 > Shhhh
[ 2014.01.11 01:13:31 ] Admiral Atradies > Guys dont pick of him, hes very sensitive
[ 2014.01.11 01:13:34 ] Thomas Nardieus > where can i donate so that goons can have some ammo to put in there T1 blasters?
[ 2014.01.11 01:13:47 ] Ted McManfist > ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░(FC'S A SPY!)░░░░░░░░░░░░░░|/░░░░░░░▓▓░░░░▓▓▓░░░░░░░░▓█▒█░░▓▓█▒█░░░░░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░▓░▓▓▓▓░░░░▓▓▓▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒░░░░░▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒░░░░░░░▓▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓░░░░░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░░░░░
[ 2014.01.11 01:14:16 ] Spicyspice > Thomas Nardieus civilian blasters dont need ammo
[ 2014.01.11 01:14:21 ] Marina Mayhem > Thomas Nardieus I'm an official Goon Complaints officer, I can take your donation and promise you it will go to ammo for our newbies.
[ 2014.01.11 01:14:29 ] Admiral Atradies > donate to admiral and il head to jita and get it doubled
[ 2014.01.11 01:14:50 ] Giuseppe Arbosa > We're also recruiting please get in touch with me if you're interested
[ 2014.01.11 01:15:20 ] Rhes > we need more members to stop the failcascade
[ 2014.01.11 01:15:55 ] Ted McManfist > Quick! Blue more pubbies!
[ 2014.01.11 01:16:14 ] Rhes > we call them pets now
[ 2014.01.11 01:16:46 ] Briesse > where's my paplink
[ 2014.01.11 01:16:54 ] Briesse > I won't get paid unless we have a paplink
[ 2014.01.11 01:17:01 ] Boston10 > PAP!!!
[ 2014.01.11 01:17:21 ] Boston10 > .╔═╦╗╔╦═╦╗╔╗║╔╣║║║╔╣║╔═══╗║╚╣║║║║║╚║Gevlon Goblin║╔╣║║║║║╔╚╗══╝║║║╚╝║╚╣║╗║╚╝╚══╩═╩╝╚╝
[ 2014.01.11 01:17:25 ] Boston10 > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[ 2014.01.11 01:17:31 ] Rhes > :cripes:
[ 2014.01.11 01:20:20 ] darkwars0 > cheers goons i'm off o7
[ 2014.01.11 01:20:31 ] Briesse > bai
[ 2014.01.11 01:20:35 ] Boston10 > Bye bye I love you
[ 2014.01.11 01:20:40 ] Briesse > <3 01:20:48="" 2014.01.11="" darkwars0=""> <3 01:20:53="" 2014.01.11="" mcmanfist="" ted=""> 0707070707007070 m8m8m8m8m8m8m8m8m8
[ 2014.01.11 01:21:17 ] Boston10 > ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
[ 2014.01.11 01:22:21 ] Boston10 > Condor quick BLAP IT!
[ 2014.01.11 01:22:41 ] Boston10 > I wish I could afford a condor
[ 2014.01.11 01:22:47 ] Briesse > me too
[ 2014.01.11 01:22:53 ] Briesse > or even a piece of bread
[ 2014.01.11 01:22:58 ] Bachari Tanner > hey!
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:01 ] Boston10 > Yeah =/
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:04 ] Bachari Tanner > don;t be dissing my condor
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:08 ] Bachari Tanner > im only here to watch :p
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:15 ] Boston10 > But you left!
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:16 ] Bachari Tanner > did the goblin get dunked?
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:24 ] Bachari Tanner > im cloaked :p
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:28 ] Briesse > the goblin doesn't know how to fit a gun to a ship
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:30 ] Boston10 > What a goblin?
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:36 ] Rhes > he never even undocked
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:39 ] Marina Mayhem > He's a Randian Superman, he can't get dunked, his opportunity costs are supreme
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:41 ] Bachari Tanner > really?
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:43 ] Bachari Tanner > lol
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:43 ] Ted McManfist > He won't fight. He'll just write 30 paragraphs about how we lost ISK to rep this poco
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:45 ] Bachari Tanner > what a wimp
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:50 ] Ted McManfist > c
[ 2014.01.11 01:23:59 ] Bachari Tanner > yeah he's in the station taking his victory sips lol
[ 2014.01.11 01:24:00 ] Ted McManfist > I prefer "blowhard"
[ 2014.01.11 01:24:21 ] Rhes > he's furiously writing his next blog post where he declares victory
[ 2014.01.11 01:24:27 ] Briesse > yep
[ 2014.01.11 01:24:37 ] Briesse > and as soon as that comes out GoonWaffe is going to collapse
[ 2014.01.11 01:24:48 ] Ted McManfist > c
[ 2014.01.11 01:24:50 ] Briesse > and I won't be able to go on poco rep ops to earn my .02 isk
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:07 ] Briesse > and I'll have to go into potato farming
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:17 ] Ted McManfist > space potato farming
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:23 ] Briesse > yeah
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:26 ] Rhes > Ayn Rand didn't even eat potatos
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:26 ] MrLindvig > When Goonwaffe collaps im gonna join test
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:28 ] Briesse > I'll have to start small though
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:28 ] Giuseppe Arbosa > Potato farming? I'm looking at dirt farming after this is over
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:33 ] Giuseppe Arbosa > Lucky guy
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:36 ] Briesse > I only have enough saved up for one space potato
[ 2014.01.11 01:25:48 ] Boston10 > Yes LP FARM IN TEST L33T ISK MAKING
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:14 ] Briesse > man, I hear they're making 2 space potatos per second!
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:27 ] MrLindvig > within a day i finallty can afford a cruiser
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:38 ] Ted McManfist > Mr big stuff here
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:42 ] Giuseppe Arbosa > I'm going to be living in a refrigerator box behind 7/11 sipping a bottle of wild irish rose after this
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:50 ] Boston10 > MrLindvig Share your isk please
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:53 ] Briesse > you can afford wild irish rose?
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:53 ] MrLindvig > dont be jealous
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:55 ] Briesse > jerk :(
[ 2014.01.11 01:26:59 ] Briesse > share the booze
[ 2014.01.11 01:27:04 ] Ryno Caval > oh that sounds fun can i be your roommate
[ 2014.01.11 01:27:07 ] Rhes > Bye Gevlon thanks for being a content creator
[ 2014.01.11 01:27:24 ] Ted McManfist > "content creator"
[ 2014.01.11 01:27:34 ] Boston10 > ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
[ 2014.01.11 01:27:35 ] Ted McManfist > more like "sperglord"
[ 2014.01.11 01:27:57 ] Ted McManfist > Go back to Finland, or wherever you are from
[ 2014.01.11 01:27:58 ] Rhes > I don't want to offend him because we might need him to donate isk to our SRP
[ 2014.01.11 01:28:02 ] Briesse > I guess we've repped this poco, so now I get my .02 isk and I can buy my space potato
[ 2014.01.11 01:28:24 ] Laranzu Talshiar > I am still down 3.2mil from podjumping
[ 2014.01.11 01:28:25 ] Boston10 > I think I will save up for a clone so I can stop losing sp everytime I get podded.
[ 2014.01.11 01:28:29 ] Laranzu Talshiar > I need to .02isk myself a few times
[ 2014.01.11 01:28:59 ] Ted McManfist > Please ref more POCOS so we poor gonies can make the iskies!
[ 2014.01.11 01:29:11 ] Rhes > our pets need to eat too
[ 2014.01.11 01:29:12 ] Briesse > yes please
[ 2014.01.11 01:29:23 ] Lizard Skin > I get fed once a day
[ 2014.01.11 01:29:23 ] Briesse > and quickly before goons collapse because of scathing words
[ 2014.01.11 01:29:37 ] Briesse > I need to buy more space potatos for my farm before the inevitable collapse
[ 2014.01.11 01:29:42 ] Boston10 > BYE Avat Goblin THANKS FOR ALL THE FUN ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
[ 2014.01.11 01:30:02 ] MrLindvig > BYE Avat Goblin THANKS FOR ALL THE FUN ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
[ 2014.01.11 01:30:06 ] Ted McManfist > WE'RE BLOBBING!
33 comments:
can you post logs as attachments or over on pastebin or something? makes reading them easier.
Also I am loving the fact that you think you are trolling the goons when you are playing right into their hands. You've formed up a motley group of highsec wardeccers and declared forever war on a group that WANTS forever wars. They will say nasty nasty things about you to enrage you and try to keep you interested. But really you are already losing this. Hilarious though. You may finally have done something you will be remembered in eve for (even if that thing is complete and utter stupidity).
Brilliant! Reinforce more, they can't bring rep fleets like this everyday! Evict goons from high sec!
i hope, and this time beg, you won't cancel this project after a month.
but you also should be aware of that this won't be an uber-succes within the next month, but need time to grow.
please have this running for a minimum of a year - hell, if you grow tired of throwing isk into it, raise a donation campaign, or let anyone else raise one.
@Daniel: I CAN'T get bored of it. I can get bored of shooting POCOs, but to keep the wardec and recuriting/managing demands me zero effort, just sending ISK to Tora Busido (Executor of Marmite who offered to manage. In return I pay for Marmite's own wardec and management fee)
"Lucas Kell, a busy commenter use to troll me that I should beat out Goons from regions instead of posting. Well, let's start with Lonetrek, Forge, and Citadel."
Not quite sure I ever stated that as such, but yeah, if you want to beat a group, generally you need to him them where it hurts, that's common sense. What you are doing is reinforcing a couple of POCOs, hiding, then declaring victory. You are in fact performing worse that Harry Forever did, which it actually pains me to say.
"As you can see, The Marmite Collective, the largest highsec ganker and wardeccer organization, with 7-800B/month kills is organizing the Lemmings that will end the Goon menace in highsec!"
OH NO! Not the Marmite Collective! They never used to declare war on the CFC or anything! Now you are here they will overpower us all!
Lucas: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Mahatma Gandhi
Feel free to fast forward to the last step, but the ones leading up to it are entertaining.
@ Lucas:
sry to say, but i think, this time it's you who doesn't understand the implications.
the hs-poco-wardec ist not about destroying goons.
one is safe to say that the few b they make with them "won't make the cake fat" (rough translation of a german saying).
it's about opportunity cost.
one poco in reinforced isn't doing much other than providing goons with a fun engagement while in tidi on your main account.
two are doubling the fun, even three ...
but this isn't something where it goes: the mere the better.
20 pocos in reinforced in different systems, even as organized as you are, you won't be able to defend them all - every day, on and on.
yes, the first month will be funny for you.
the second, maybe ...
one day even goon members will realise, that it's annoying having to show up for repping sessions every day, being denied the fight...
one day they too will realise that it might be more fun to just rat, or run missions, or tweak spreadsheets, watch a movie, troll the forums, or just have a beer and a wank.
let's assume a fight might happen from time to time, as even a penny counts, how long will it be cost effective to risk a fleet every time, just to safe a minor poco in the backyard of the forge?
remember that goons strength (doing stupid ingame work, cause it's thought of as being fun) is also their main weakness - once it's not considered fun anymore it gets boring, annoying, stupid, senseless, members will stop to log in.
do goons really want to keep up the effort for less than 10b?
i think it was 10b that pocos are netting rvb per month.
on a sidenote, you ain't no goon, why ya defending them? is that poco money even benefiting cfc members?
@Lucas: I did not claim victory. After all the POCO was saved. The point of reinforcing the POCO is getting fights. But currently I'm the only one in the corp, the alliance is forming, and I don't want any fights. It's just testing phase. I'm celebrating that Goons indeed do as I expected and give small-gang fights. Of course we have to win these fights and in this I'm powerless. I can reinforce POCOs and pay wardecs. The rest is on Marmite and the people who join the alliance.
You didn't expect me to beat GSF all by myself, right?
Also, you keep claiming that Goons will have fun fighting with highsec noobs. I believe you. However if Goons are having fun in highsec, who is flying the bombless bombers in nullsec?
@daniel
"it's about opportunity cost."
There's that old nugget again. You guys seem to thing that opportunity cost is some flat isk/hour/character, so any character involved in something has some automatic associated cost. That's just simply not the case. There's no opportunity lost to sit an alt repping a poco while your main is off doing something else.
Honestly, do you think that the goons don't want to have high sec players having little rage fits about them trying to bring them down? And honestly, who do you think is going to get border first? The goons running a repping alt while they are fighting in null, or you guys endlessly shooting structures, then running away when baddies show up?
All that's happening here is Marmite have tricked Gevlon into paying for the war dec that they had anyway. That's pretty much the extent of it.
"do goons really want to keep up the effort for less than 10b?"
No, probably not. If it becomes effort, they probably won't bother, they'll let RvB step in and take the POCOs, and they'll lose practically nothing. That's pretty much the point though. Gevlon is attacking something that was taken specifically to make high sec players rage, and somehow feels that is going to have some profound impact.
"on a sidenote, you ain't no goon, why ya defending them? is that poco money even benefiting cfc members?"
I don't know if it does and don't really care to be honest. And it's not about defending goons. Gevlon has this thing about expressing his superiority over the community when all he really has is that precise opposite. I'm not really a fan of people like that.
@Gevlon
"Also, you keep claiming that Goons will have fun fighting with highsec noobs. I believe you. However if Goons are having fun in highsec, who is flying the bombless bombers in nullsec?"
Shockingly, it takes such a small amount of effort to "defend" in high sec that they can in fact do both. At the end of the day, goons took the POCOs in high sec so the high sec playerbase would rage out. You have successfully raged out, and are paying billions to do so. Well done.
What are you going to do if your alliance still doesn't have any members two weeks from now?
So far you have broken off every single of your projects after a few days because of a lack of public interest. Why will this one be different?
@Anonymous: it's NOT my project. It's Marmite's project. I'm just funding it. I can't mess it up with my anti-sociality as I'm just a grunt inside.
@Lucas: there is opportunity cost of everything. Your alt could be mining veldspar. Unless a Goon is logging in explicitly to fight in highsec and would be logged out otherwise, fighting in highsec will make something else not happen. Maybe it's ISK making, maybe it's null roaming that would create content to other Goons, maybe it's a bombless bomber fleet.
"who do you think is going to get border first? The goons running a repping alt while they are fighting in null, or you guys endlessly shooting structures, then running away when baddies show up?"
I'm running away. The others don't really care about POCOs, they care about fights. They want to fight Goons. Also, remember Marmite! The reason why I could recruit them is that they are in war with Goons anyway.
POCO1: 5 noobs in frigs, Goons happy.
POCO2: 5 noobs in T1 cruisers, Goons happy.
POCO3: 5 noobs in T1 cruisers, why do they scramble 5 goons each and makes no damage? OMG 20 marmites entered local, burn out of range, warp off, FUCK, FUCK... get your pods out guys.
"they'll let RvB step in and take the POCOs, and they'll lose practically nothing" You among all people should know that loss isn't just ISK. Losing a few POCOs won't put a dent into GSF finances, true. "Gevlon beaten us out of highsec" will do put a dent into GSF morale. Of course you and I know that it's not true. But you and I also know that a 100B titan loss is equal to 100B opportunity cost loss, still, alliances rather lose opportunity costs than titans. Morale matters.
"Guerilla-style Warfare Support - Tactics to chip away at the behemoths have surfaced, allowing small fleets of mercenaries, saboteurs and troublemakers to become cause for concern for even the most reinforced of alliance strongholds."
http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/guerilla-warfare/
Looks like the rubicon expansion is working as intended, keep it up gevlon. :)
"No, probably not. If it becomes effort, they probably won't bother, they'll let RvB step in and take the POCOs, and they'll lose practically nothing. That's pretty much the point though. Gevlon is attacking something that was taken specifically to make high sec players rage, and somehow feels that is going to have some profound impact."
So they...'didn't want hose pocos anyway'?
Lucas:
"@daniel
"it's about opportunity cost."
There's that old nugget again. You guys seem to thing that opportunity cost is some flat isk/hour/character,"
sry mate, plz read my comment again, the part about opportunity.
i am well aware that on char/player level it is not about isk.
if i may quote myself:
"one day they too will realise that it might be more fun to just rat, or run missions, or tweak spreadsheets, watch a movie, troll the forums, or just have a beer and a wank."
while the frist three (ratting, missioning, spreadsheeting) are highly isk related, i just gave them as an example of things to do with your char, other than poco repping.
i was (and i admit that i didn't make myself clear enough) talking about opportunity cost in terms of time well spent (drinking beer and wanking really doesn't help your isk making much).
i am well aware, that goons themself are not paid in isk for their time, but with a fun reason to login.
yep, rvb will take over, yep, gevlon asked to get isk-farmed again, if he is smart, this time he won't be talking too much into marmites own matters, and hopefully won't be doing the mistake of taking their interna to the public again.
gevlon's got a reason to grind isk, marmite get's paid for doing a certain job, goons have fun engagements with structures, highsec gets a bit more intersting, rvb gains more pocos - everybody happy.
the one thing i see as a rising problem will be in about two to four weeks, when goon empire hasn't fallen because of some fights about structures, and gevlon announces his retreat from the project, blaims everyone else etc pp.
but well ... it's not like noone sees that coming.
a shame rvb is teaming with goons, not that i am anti goon, it just is taking so much fun out of highsec.
i really am not anti goon, i like what they are doing for the game.
if at all, i am anti sov.null.guys, as i do not really like what they are doing for the game.
on a sidenote, gevlons three demands on the forum, kudos, i really had been laughing hard - he has a good portion of humor, and i dig that.
The narrative that keeps goons logging on and being mindless drones for the good of an idea is that it pisses off sperglords like yourself. The fact that you're once again ploughing your own isk into going "grrr goons" is funny to them, you're rewarding their game identity with attention and validation. Goons don't want to be known as the group that is willing to waste more hours grinding in bombless bombers than any other, that's a shitty identity and a shitty narrative. The group that makes people like yourself mad by its very existence is much more fun, even if they have to grind shit in bombless bombers to be that.
I doubt the CFC higher ups are laughing off this particular problem. New Eden is filled with opportunistic sharks, and honey scented blood in the water is rather tempting.
But, I'll wait and see. If you keep this up Gevlon, Goonswarm will have to counter you eventually, or simply acknowledge the loss of POCOs to, well, you.
It will be a matter of persistence. Escalation, maybe not, but keeping it up until they lose interest (and a POCO) would certainly highlight the current weakness of the CFC.
So, if I could give you some advice: Find ways of making this sustainable. It'll come down to whoever has the greater patience.
"rvb gains more pocos"
if goons transfer pocos to rvb for safe keeping while still earning the income Gevlon only wins a morale victory.
if only rvb recognised the fact that a partnership with goons is becoming one sided and withdraws their NAP. this would be a greater victory.
how long are the line members of rvb willing to support the goons?
considering EU HR Representative publicly contacted gevlon with their terms and negotiation option. I guess gevlon pretty much hit a nerve.
congratulations! :)
People have been permadeccing goons since Privateers, and probably before.
Marmite having a permadec on them is not new either.
What makes you think your campaign is different?
Genuine question, as you seem to have something novel which can threaten goons, or think you do, which to me just looks like Eve has done for the last 6 years or so.
There is thing here that Gevlon is assuming to be true, which may or may not be true.
If that thing is true, then Gevlon has succeeded doing damage to CFC. If it is not true, then Gevlon has at best achieved nothing of substance, and at worst validated Goon playstyle and wasted his own cash on funding other people's war.
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A POCO can be repaired with an afk alt. Gevlon asserts that an afk alt is always an opportunity cost that is forced to just sit there and earn nothing.
Gevlon assumes that Goon alt infrastructure is perfectly optimised and that every alt of everyone is always doing something useful. Thus every alt sent to repair job is alt not doing something useful.
But maybe, just maybe, the goon structure is not perfectly optimized and it always has a small supply of alts that just sit there doing nothing anyway. If this is the case then, the only thing this POCO bash thing did is validating the existence of this unoptimization by suddenly turning it into a sort of alt-body buffer against aggression such as this.
Something tells me that the latter is actually the case. If this is the case, then one needs to consider the size of this alt buffer. If it is exhausted by the POCO thing, then maybe there is something else in goon infrastructure that relied on this buffer that is now being made vulnerable.
If it is not exhausted by the POCO thing, then one has to wonder how close it is to exhaustion.
@Maxim: I'm assuming something very different:
The average Goon is incompetent. The limiting factor of GSF operations is not Goon man hours but FC and other expert manhours. Hence the bombless bomber fleet: can be lead by any junior FC and even total fleet destruction is minor loss. All the Goon doctrines are built around a few highly competent people followed by F1 pushing drones.
The POCO first has to be identified, the timer has to be recorded, a fleet has to be announced and lead. These are expert jobs. The Goons simply don't have enough experts to repeatedly deal with it. Remember that each time I hit a POCO, a Goon director shown up. How many unused director-hours do the Goon have?
@ anom:
"how long are the line members of rvb willing to support the goons?"
by it's very nature, rvb doesn't have "linemembers" in the common sense.
also i wasn't thinking of a transferal but simply, bomm, poco goes, rvb is the first to take the new place.
@ gevlon:
"I'm assuming something very different:
The average Goon is incompetent."
i am sure your assumptions are mislead.
"Remember that each time I hit a POCO, a Goon director shown up. How many unused director-hours do the Goon have?"
It's not very scientific to draw conclusions from such a low data-set. Give it a few weeks and you'll have some real numbers.
I must say though that the Goon talking points like this does nt matter holds little water. If it did not they would not be there. Them being there is hands away from the null part of space. Alts and all that, sure, but there still is a member logged in and I doubt the majority multi-box.
It will actually be interesting to see what happens. Both if you manage to get anything going and how brutal the goon will go after your POCO's as payback.
The opportunity cost fallacy rises again.
In order for this to matter you have to assumes goons care about it. They clearly don't. Opportunity to earn isk is clearly not a goal. Watching you throw money at a war you cannot win aligns more closely with their goals.
You can spout about your victories due to fictitious opportunity costs all you like. The fact remains you are fighting a much much richer opponent and providing them piles and piles of forum porn. By any objective measure you are losing this war. Even if marmite win (which they can't..), you personally are suffering losses.
Loss in reputation
Loss of isk
Failure to cause a lasting impact on your sworn enemy
and so on.
The goons never tire. You will get bored of this project - you will quit it like you have every other project that you have failed to see through. But goons wont forget. You've painted a huge target on your back which will follow you around for the rest of your eve career.
Except we have a whole 200man crew of the CFC that does more damage in highsec than Marmite, and actually lives in highsec
"The POCO first has to be identified, the timer has to be recorded, a fleet has to be announced and lead."
Nah man, I just set the timer in my phone for 45minutes beforehand, and pinged for it 30 minutes beforehand. Since I have in-alliance dudes that just live in highsec for tomfoolery, I got into my ships and handed out a bunch. Some dudes spent 15minutes zipping down from deklein in ceptors and back.
(6:13:38 PM) directorbot: Iiiiiiit's Poco Time. Highsec "pubbie carebear shitlord" Gevlon Goblin reffed a poco inbetween blog tantrums and eve-o posts. I'm going to need a handful of dudes to see if we can recreate some magic and 1.) get it repped 2.) humiliate anyone who shows up. Timer is in 27minutes so you have plenty of time to Get to XXXXXX.
FC: XXXXX || Fleet: POCO SAVE || Where: XXXX|| When: We leave in 20 minutes || What: (ships) || Mumble: OP18 || Reimbursable: Stratop (lol) (preference is for GSF, but if you are an ally and really feel like being a "commanded pet", feel free to hang out
If you come along on this adventure, I can almost guarantee he'll spend 2 hours writing a wall of text about why we're bad and how he's the greatest.
*** This was a broadcast from powers_sa
Hope that helps.
Marmite like targets to shoot at in highsec - you've just provided them what they would have wanted anyway - for free.
Goons like stuff to do in highsec between other activities - you are providing them what they would have wanted anyway - for free.
Opportunity cost doesn't only run one way.
@Powers: remember last year ice interdiction? The one that caused less damage to miners than I could alone?
The reason was that TEST failcascaded and GSF had to grind down Delve in bombless bombers.
We know for a fact that GSF can't successfully operate in BOTH highsec and nullsec. I believe you that you can crush my little movement. But by the time you'd finish, your Russian buddies would be in lowsec and Razor and Gents would be a "roaming PvP alliance".
"Lucas: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Mahatma Gandhi"
I like this one better.
"The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."
What about the RvB POCOs Gevlon? These are currently not under any threat, and are operating under agreement with goons.
RvB isn't an evil empire, I have no problem with them.
@Kell - don't forget, while GG pays those bills, they just got 500m in disposable income, wonder where it will be spent?
That's actually an interesting and good project (especially because you cooperate with experienced high-sec PVPers). Good luck with that.
My main has been in RVB for two years. I could say that RVB is only alliance to goons on poco. Nothing else.
We are allowed and enjoyed to shot suspect goons or camp them in Liek.
Some people in rvb only want to fight without risk their pods, some people in rvb only care about have a fight, some people are alts...
I am happy to see someone against goons in highsec. It makes this game more interesting. But almost everyone in eve are evil, do you realize marmite is same and even worse than goons? @@
As a rvber, i like to have war target to shot. I log in for PVP.
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