tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post8158908518668365422..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Battle report of Iyen-Oursta and the rise of the LemmingsGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83904337181313905812014-01-29T07:50:13.560+01:002014-01-29T07:50:13.560+01:00My main has been in RVB for two years. I could say...My main has been in RVB for two years. I could say that RVB is only alliance to goons on poco. Nothing else. <br /><br />We are allowed and enjoyed to shot suspect goons or camp them in Liek. <br /><br />Some people in rvb only want to fight without risk their pods, some people in rvb only care about have a fight, some people are alts... <br /><br />I am happy to see someone against goons in highsec. It makes this game more interesting. But almost everyone in eve are evil, do you realize marmite is same and even worse than goons? @@<br /><br />As a rvber, i like to have war target to shot. <b>I log in for PVP.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41226864892018345092014-01-13T10:44:10.558+01:002014-01-13T10:44:10.558+01:00That's actually an interesting and good projec...That's actually an interesting and good project (especially because you cooperate with experienced high-sec PVPers). Good luck with that.OKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63500938212806326132014-01-12T17:17:12.108+01:002014-01-12T17:17:12.108+01:00@Kell - don't forget, while GG pays those bill...@Kell - don't forget, while GG pays those bills, they just got 500m in disposable income, wonder where it will be spent?Kate 'Onhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13993019414595472147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9051893848408958372014-01-12T13:00:03.819+01:002014-01-12T13:00:03.819+01:00RvB isn't an evil empire, I have no problem wi...RvB isn't an evil empire, I have no problem with them.<br />Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82956207036369406802014-01-12T12:44:48.602+01:002014-01-12T12:44:48.602+01:00What about the RvB POCOs Gevlon? These are current...What about the RvB POCOs Gevlon? These are currently not under any threat, and are operating under agreement with goons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30789933539102389102014-01-12T10:14:10.669+01:002014-01-12T10:14:10.669+01:00"Lucas: First they ignore you, then they laug..."Lucas: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Mahatma Gandhi"<br /><br />I like this one better.<br /><br />"The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55941537979622434942014-01-12T05:52:59.613+01:002014-01-12T05:52:59.613+01:00@Powers: remember last year ice interdiction? The ...@Powers: remember last year ice interdiction? The one that caused less damage to miners than I could alone?<br /><br />The reason was that TEST failcascaded and GSF had to grind down Delve in bombless bombers. <br /><br />We know for a fact that GSF can't successfully operate in BOTH highsec and nullsec. I believe you that you can crush my little movement. But by the time you'd finish, your Russian buddies would be in lowsec and Razor and Gents would be a "roaming PvP alliance".Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85198051825323473382014-01-12T01:42:39.012+01:002014-01-12T01:42:39.012+01:00Marmite like targets to shoot at in highsec - you&...Marmite like targets to shoot at in highsec - you've just provided them what they would have wanted anyway - for free.<br /><br />Goons like stuff to do in highsec between other activities - you are providing them what they would have wanted anyway - for free.<br /><br />Opportunity cost doesn't only run one way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32147173253567248292014-01-12T01:14:27.459+01:002014-01-12T01:14:27.459+01:00Except we have a whole 200man crew of the CFC that...Except we have a whole 200man crew of the CFC that does more damage in highsec than Marmite, and actually lives in highsec<br /><br />"The POCO first has to be identified, the timer has to be recorded, a fleet has to be announced and lead."<br /><br />Nah man, I just set the timer in my phone for 45minutes beforehand, and pinged for it 30 minutes beforehand. Since I have in-alliance dudes that just live in highsec for tomfoolery, I got into my ships and handed out a bunch. Some dudes spent 15minutes zipping down from deklein in ceptors and back.<br /><br />(6:13:38 PM) directorbot: Iiiiiiit's Poco Time. Highsec "pubbie carebear shitlord" Gevlon Goblin reffed a poco inbetween blog tantrums and eve-o posts. I'm going to need a handful of dudes to see if we can recreate some magic and 1.) get it repped 2.) humiliate anyone who shows up. Timer is in 27minutes so you have plenty of time to Get to XXXXXX.<br />FC: XXXXX || Fleet: POCO SAVE || Where: XXXX|| When: We leave in 20 minutes || What: (ships) || Mumble: OP18 || Reimbursable: Stratop (lol) (preference is for GSF, but if you are an ally and really feel like being a "commanded pet", feel free to hang out<br /><br />If you come along on this adventure, I can almost guarantee he'll spend 2 hours writing a wall of text about why we're bad and how he's the greatest.<br /><br />*** This was a broadcast from powers_sa<br /><br /><br />Hope that helps.Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207235332940546841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24074078916945849332014-01-12T01:11:12.276+01:002014-01-12T01:11:12.276+01:00The opportunity cost fallacy rises again.
In orde...The opportunity cost fallacy rises again.<br /><br />In order for this to matter you have to assumes goons care about it. They clearly don't. Opportunity to earn isk is clearly not a goal. Watching you throw money at a war you cannot win aligns more closely with their goals.<br /><br />You can spout about your victories due to fictitious opportunity costs all you like. The fact remains you are fighting a much much richer opponent and providing them piles and piles of forum porn. By any objective measure you are losing this war. Even if marmite win (which they can't..), you personally are suffering losses.<br /><br />Loss in reputation<br />Loss of isk<br />Failure to cause a lasting impact on your sworn enemy<br />and so on.<br /><br />The goons never tire. You will get bored of this project - you will quit it like you have every other project that you have failed to see through. But goons wont forget. You've painted a huge target on your back which will follow you around for the rest of your eve career.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86736674808760430582014-01-11T22:11:59.320+01:002014-01-11T22:11:59.320+01:00"Remember that each time I hit a POCO, a Goon..."Remember that each time I hit a POCO, a Goon director shown up. How many unused director-hours do the Goon have?"<br /><br />It's not very scientific to draw conclusions from such a low data-set. Give it a few weeks and you'll have some real numbers.<br /><br />I must say though that the Goon talking points like this does nt matter holds little water. If it did not they would not be there. Them being there is hands away from the null part of space. Alts and all that, sure, but there still is a member logged in and I doubt the majority multi-box.<br /><br />It will actually be interesting to see what happens. Both if you manage to get anything going and how brutal the goon will go after your POCO's as payback.<br /><br />Smithhttp://imgur.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7993336368155975462014-01-11T20:23:59.572+01:002014-01-11T20:23:59.572+01:00@ anom:
"how long are the line members of rvb...@ anom:<br />"how long are the line members of rvb willing to support the goons?"<br /><br />by it's very nature, rvb doesn't have "linemembers" in the common sense.<br /><br />also i wasn't thinking of a transferal but simply, bomm, poco goes, rvb is the first to take the new place.<br /><br /><br />@ gevlon:<br />"I'm assuming something very different:<br />The average Goon is incompetent."<br /><br />i am sure your assumptions are mislead.danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16143630355873251202014-01-11T19:59:38.474+01:002014-01-11T19:59:38.474+01:00@Maxim: I'm assuming something very different:...@Maxim: I'm assuming something very different:<br /><br />The average Goon is incompetent. The limiting factor of GSF operations is not Goon man hours but FC and other expert manhours. Hence the bombless bomber fleet: can be lead by any junior FC and even total fleet destruction is minor loss. All the Goon doctrines are built around a few highly competent people followed by F1 pushing drones.<br /><br />The POCO first has to be identified, the timer has to be recorded, a fleet has to be announced and lead. These are expert jobs. The Goons simply don't have enough experts to repeatedly deal with it. Remember that each time I hit a POCO, a Goon director shown up. How many unused director-hours do the Goon have?<br />Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34183585414421429002014-01-11T18:26:12.790+01:002014-01-11T18:26:12.790+01:00There is thing here that Gevlon is assuming to be ...There is thing here that Gevlon is assuming to be true, which may or may not be true.<br /><br />If that thing is true, then Gevlon has succeeded doing damage to CFC. If it is not true, then Gevlon has at best achieved nothing of substance, and at worst validated Goon playstyle and wasted his own cash on funding other people's war.<br /><br />--------<br /><br />A POCO can be repaired with an afk alt. Gevlon asserts that an afk alt is always an opportunity cost that is forced to just sit there and earn nothing.<br /><br />Gevlon assumes that Goon alt infrastructure is perfectly optimised and that every alt of everyone is always doing something useful. Thus every alt sent to repair job is alt not doing something useful.<br /><br />But maybe, just maybe, the goon structure is not perfectly optimized and it always has a small supply of alts that just sit there doing nothing anyway. If this is the case then, the only thing this POCO bash thing did is validating the existence of this unoptimization by suddenly turning it into a sort of alt-body buffer against aggression such as this.<br /><br />Something tells me that the latter is actually the case. If this is the case, then one needs to consider the size of this alt buffer. If it is exhausted by the POCO thing, then maybe there is something else in goon infrastructure that relied on this buffer that is now being made vulnerable.<br /><br />If it is not exhausted by the POCO thing, then one has to wonder how close it is to exhaustion.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285916605762869349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69098596430277390632014-01-11T18:17:48.564+01:002014-01-11T18:17:48.564+01:00People have been permadeccing goons since Privatee...People have been permadeccing goons since Privateers, and probably before.<br /><br />Marmite having a permadec on them is not new either.<br /><br />What makes you think your campaign is different?<br /><br />Genuine question, as you seem to have something novel which can threaten goons, or think you do, which to me just looks like Eve has done for the last 6 years or so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91311304383248245512014-01-11T17:19:10.442+01:002014-01-11T17:19:10.442+01:00considering EU HR Representative publicly contacte...considering EU HR Representative publicly contacted gevlon with their terms and negotiation option. I guess gevlon pretty much hit a nerve.<br /><br />congratulations! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72306221594487394372014-01-11T17:04:00.895+01:002014-01-11T17:04:00.895+01:00"rvb gains more pocos"
if goons transfe..."rvb gains more pocos"<br /><br />if goons transfer pocos to rvb for safe keeping while still earning the income Gevlon only wins a morale victory.<br /><br />if only rvb recognised the fact that a partnership with goons is becoming one sided and withdraws their NAP. this would be a greater victory.<br /><br />how long are the line members of rvb willing to support the goons?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42249298418824583732014-01-11T17:01:13.465+01:002014-01-11T17:01:13.465+01:00I doubt the CFC higher ups are laughing off this p...I doubt the CFC higher ups are laughing off this particular problem. New Eden is filled with opportunistic sharks, and honey scented blood in the water is rather tempting.<br /><br />But, I'll wait and see. If you keep this up Gevlon, Goonswarm will have to counter you eventually, or simply acknowledge the loss of POCOs to, well, you. <br /><br />It will be a matter of persistence. Escalation, maybe not, but keeping it up until they lose interest (and a POCO) would certainly highlight the current weakness of the CFC.<br /><br />So, if I could give you some advice: Find ways of making this sustainable. It'll come down to whoever has the greater patience.Tabletop Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16804201908210463999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19987882225355942372014-01-11T16:43:03.846+01:002014-01-11T16:43:03.846+01:00The narrative that keeps goons logging on and bein...The narrative that keeps goons logging on and being mindless drones for the good of an idea is that it pisses off sperglords like yourself. The fact that you're once again ploughing your own isk into going "grrr goons" is funny to them, you're rewarding their game identity with attention and validation. Goons don't want to be known as the group that is willing to waste more hours grinding in bombless bombers than any other, that's a shitty identity and a shitty narrative. The group that makes people like yourself mad by its very existence is much more fun, even if they have to grind shit in bombless bombers to be that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29067704390798683322014-01-11T16:26:33.677+01:002014-01-11T16:26:33.677+01:00Lucas:
"@daniel
"it's about opportun...Lucas:<br />"@daniel<br />"it's about opportunity cost."<br />There's that old nugget again. You guys seem to thing that opportunity cost is some flat isk/hour/character,"<br /><br />sry mate, plz read my comment again, the part about opportunity.<br />i am well aware that on char/player level it is not about isk.<br /><br />if i may quote myself:<br />"one day they too will realise that it might be more fun to just rat, or run missions, or tweak spreadsheets, watch a movie, troll the forums, or just have a beer and a wank."<br /><br />while the frist three (ratting, missioning, spreadsheeting) are highly isk related, i just gave them as an example of things to do with your char, other than poco repping.<br />i was (and i admit that i didn't make myself clear enough) talking about opportunity cost in terms of time well spent (drinking beer and wanking really doesn't help your isk making much).<br /><br />i am well aware, that goons themself are not paid in isk for their time, but with a fun reason to login.<br /><br /><br />yep, rvb will take over, yep, gevlon asked to get isk-farmed again, if he is smart, this time he won't be talking too much into marmites own matters, and hopefully won't be doing the mistake of taking their interna to the public again.<br /><br />gevlon's got a reason to grind isk, marmite get's paid for doing a certain job, goons have fun engagements with structures, highsec gets a bit more intersting, rvb gains more pocos - everybody happy.<br /><br />the one thing i see as a rising problem will be in about two to four weeks, when goon empire hasn't fallen because of some fights about structures, and gevlon announces his retreat from the project, blaims everyone else etc pp.<br /><br />but well ... it's not like noone sees that coming.<br /><br />a shame rvb is teaming with goons, not that i am anti goon, it just is taking so much fun out of highsec.<br /><br />i really am not anti goon, i like what they are doing for the game.<br /><br />if at all, i am anti sov.null.guys, as i do not really like what they are doing for the game.<br /><br /><br />on a sidenote, gevlons three demands on the forum, kudos, i really had been laughing hard - he has a good portion of humor, and i dig that.danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83591338146819857472014-01-11T15:31:37.852+01:002014-01-11T15:31:37.852+01:00"Guerilla-style Warfare Support - Tactics to ..."Guerilla-style Warfare Support - Tactics to chip away at the behemoths have surfaced, allowing small fleets of mercenaries, saboteurs and troublemakers to become cause for concern for even the most reinforced of alliance strongholds."<br /><br />http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/guerilla-warfare/<br /><br />Looks like the rubicon expansion is working as intended, keep it up gevlon. :)<br /><br />"No, probably not. If it becomes effort, they probably won't bother, they'll let RvB step in and take the POCOs, and they'll lose practically nothing. That's pretty much the point though. Gevlon is attacking something that was taken specifically to make high sec players rage, and somehow feels that is going to have some profound impact."<br /><br />So they...'didn't want hose pocos anyway'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43152286456410501782014-01-11T15:17:12.813+01:002014-01-11T15:17:12.813+01:00@Anonymous: it's NOT my project. It's Marm...@Anonymous: it's NOT my project. It's Marmite's project. I'm just funding it. I can't mess it up with my anti-sociality as I'm just a grunt inside.<br /><br />@Lucas: there is opportunity cost of everything. Your alt could be mining veldspar. Unless a Goon is logging in explicitly to fight in highsec and would be logged out otherwise, fighting in highsec will make something else not happen. Maybe it's ISK making, maybe it's null roaming that would create content to other Goons, maybe it's a bombless bomber fleet.<br /><br />"who do you think is going to get border first? The goons running a repping alt while they are fighting in null, or you guys endlessly shooting structures, then running away when baddies show up?" <br /><br />I'm running away. The others don't really care about POCOs, they care about fights. They want to fight Goons. Also, remember Marmite! The reason why I could recruit them is that they are in war with Goons anyway. <br />POCO1: 5 noobs in frigs, Goons happy. <br />POCO2: 5 noobs in T1 cruisers, Goons happy. <br />POCO3: 5 noobs in T1 cruisers, why do they scramble 5 goons each and makes no damage? OMG 20 marmites entered local, burn out of range, warp off, FUCK, FUCK... get your pods out guys.<br /><br />"they'll let RvB step in and take the POCOs, and they'll lose practically nothing" You among all people should know that loss isn't just ISK. Losing a few POCOs won't put a dent into GSF finances, true. "Gevlon beaten us out of highsec" will do put a dent into GSF morale. Of course you and I know that it's not true. But you and I also know that a 100B titan loss is equal to 100B opportunity cost loss, still, alliances rather lose opportunity costs than titans. Morale matters.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-49490150564326067732014-01-11T14:33:27.936+01:002014-01-11T14:33:27.936+01:00What are you going to do if your alliance still do...What are you going to do if your alliance still doesn't have any members two weeks from now?<br /><br />So far you have broken off every single of your projects after a few days because of a lack of public interest. Why will this one be different?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26886373207616542412014-01-11T14:24:09.505+01:002014-01-11T14:24:09.505+01:00@daniel
"it's about opportunity cost.&quo...@daniel<br />"it's about opportunity cost."<br />There's that old nugget again. You guys seem to thing that opportunity cost is some flat isk/hour/character, so any character involved in something has some automatic associated cost. That's just simply not the case. There's no opportunity lost to sit an alt repping a poco while your main is off doing something else.<br /><br />Honestly, do you think that the goons don't want to have high sec players having little rage fits about them trying to bring them down? And honestly, who do you think is going to get border first? The goons running a repping alt while they are fighting in null, or you guys endlessly shooting structures, then running away when baddies show up?<br /><br />All that's happening here is Marmite have tricked Gevlon into paying for the war dec that they had anyway. That's pretty much the extent of it.<br /><br />"do goons really want to keep up the effort for less than 10b?"<br />No, probably not. If it becomes effort, they probably won't bother, they'll let RvB step in and take the POCOs, and they'll lose practically nothing. That's pretty much the point though. Gevlon is attacking something that was taken specifically to make high sec players rage, and somehow feels that is going to have some profound impact.<br /><br />"on a sidenote, you ain't no goon, why ya defending them? is that poco money even benefiting cfc members?"<br />I don't know if it does and don't really care to be honest. And it's not about defending goons. Gevlon has this thing about expressing his superiority over the community when all he really has is that precise opposite. I'm not really a fan of people like that.<br /><br />@Gevlon<br />"Also, you keep claiming that Goons will have fun fighting with highsec noobs. I believe you. However if Goons are having fun in highsec, who is flying the bombless bombers in nullsec?"<br />Shockingly, it takes such a small amount of effort to "defend" in high sec that they can in fact do both. At the end of the day, goons took the POCOs in high sec so the high sec playerbase would rage out. You have successfully raged out, and are paying billions to do so. Well done.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15801388263832998402014-01-11T14:01:12.059+01:002014-01-11T14:01:12.059+01:00Also, you keep claiming that Goons will have fun f...Also, you keep claiming that Goons will have fun fighting with highsec noobs. I believe you. However if Goons are having fun in highsec, who is flying the bombless bombers in nullsec?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.com