Monday, July 8, 2013

ur a kid!

The title is a troll comment I get often. It doesn't make much sense. It's clearly not an argument. While we know that socials don't bother with arguments, just with insults, butt-kissing and attention seeking, "ur a kid" isn't really an insult.

They seem to genuinely believe that my statements have a special quality that fits to kids. What is this? To the answer, we just have to look another troll comment the "u dun get EVE" (you don't understand EVE). This is pointless on its own, as the commenter never tries to teach me the meaning of EVE.

For a social the point of everything outside of body functions is having positive social emotions. Being loved and/or respected. The "meaning of EVE" what they can't define but are sure that I don't get is "hanging out with friends". In this respect gaining billions, topping the killboard or conquering regions are "meaningless pixels" while running around in frigates and spamming porn and meme links is "awesome fun".

Now back to the kids. Children in the modern world are taught in schools to science, art and professions. They are expected to perform in a rational manner and are measured by numerical scales. So a kid internalizes a moral system where performing well is good and failing is bad. Education is the greatest advancement of mankind and the sole reason of our progression. However, around puberty the kids start to get into "bad company", to peer groups that defy the school norms and claim that having good grades is "no life" and the "fun" is in being intoxicated, engaging in unsafe sex and perpetrating petty crimes.

Since I measure my progress with charts and not by "having fun", I must be a kid who has not been lured by "friends" away from the boring schoolwork into "the fun". In that sense "ur a kid" means "you aren't a dropout", which is actually a compliment.


PS: tomorrow comes the results of a little research, disproving that performing well has nothing to do with "being no-lifer", and performing bad has nothing to do with "being casual".

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't think that's quite right, even if it is an interesting take on the subject.

It's more of "Look, I'm such an adult so my words matter and yours don't because you're a kid" coming from people who probably don't even have slightest inkling what it means to be an adult.

Sugar Kyle said...

It is an attempt to invalidate and diminish you. Not an actual opinion that you are a child.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it simply means "U are naive"?

"kids" can still live in there own reality and don't need to accept reality. So "U are a Kid" could simply express that your sense of reality is messed up or u simply choose your own reality.

Anonymous said...

They project what they hate about themselves. Ignore the peanut gallery of jugheads, as they just want to pull you down into dumbville.

Rémy Vanschoonwinkel said...

The worst part is that even adults at the age of 40-50 act like this. I remember quite "fondly" how the parents of my ex-girlfriend always wanted to shoot me down. You know why? Because I dared to enter a discussion. I dared to enter a rational discussion about things as little as some economical issues here in Belgium.

So if you ask me, there's no wisdom by the ages or something like that.
Sometimes I wish the world was a bit more rational, a bit more Goblin? :)

Anonymous said...

That was a moronic text, but still it does have something to it - you do have the mentality of a child. You lack the psychological maturity of adults, as we all can see through your posts. You see the world in numbers. That may be fine in games, but it's not fine in RL. In fact, your posts tend to point yo in the 'sociopath' area. Now delete this comment because you don't accept true criticism, thus confirming my point.

Gevlon said...

@last anonymous: you did not actually wrote anything exact, like "your statement X is childish because". It's not criticism, it's just random insult.

Anonymous said...

It's not meant to be an insult, but an observation. It is negative, I admit that, but it's still based on what you show us here. If you wish me to elaborate, than fine - you claim that being antisocial is the goal of self-realization; that it's the pinnacle of efficiency. In RL it's far from it. It's alienation and forfeiting a lot that life offers. It's not even efficient, since you can't benefit from synergy effects. But! You can always say that this is only a game. Those who read your posts know that you brought your approach TO the game from RL. From your posts it's clear that you want to be thought of as a scholar who found perfection. Your M&S posts (and pages), your fail-post about being remembered - all point to that. It may be (well, it is) harsh, but that insult that was thrown at you, is pretty much a summary of you. You are a child. I doubt that the insulter did any analysis on you, but still he hit the bullseye. Do you have any comment on that?

Gevlon said...

I just don't see how the (even failed) attempt to be efficient and more than just a monkey circle-jerking with other monkeys (socializing) is childish?

Anonymous said...

The style of your response is the answer to your question. Yet, I know you won't understand it. Or will you? Will you keep on claiming that social interactions are bad, because they affect some meaningless virtual number? Will you keep calling people with normal human interactions "monkeys"? Will you still dwell in your illusion of being someone worthy of remembering? I think we all know the answer to that. People all around are being social and are happy because of it. You have your wallet balance in a game.

Anonymous said...

the interesting thing is, that you don't deal with the serious criticism that your blog/writing/opinion is getting.

e.g. your assumptions about goon.income, ppl told you that your assumptions weren't correct.

that you don't respond to the mature criticism, but have a full post dedicated to your kiddie.haters - well, i must say that indeed i find that a bit childish too.

Gevlon said...

@Anonymous: you seem to be on the position "socials are right because they say so. Anyone disagree with this is a kid". This isn't really a logical point.

Also, you seem to believe that efficiency is only leading to game wallet size. Why do you think that the same approach doesn't make someone rich IRL? Or you think that you earn money by chatting, telling jokes and "being nice"?

Anonymous said...

..Well Gevlon, chatting, telling jokes, and being nice do make people rich. Along with replacing "being nice" to "being a hard-nose asshole" and "being a carefree charitable spirit."

Each one is a schtick and each one has it's place in the free world/open market...precisely because of it's existence. It exists because it works.

Is it optimal? In theory, no. In practice? Yes, because it works.

Know what doesn't work in practice? Each and every one of your ideas. You might be ahead of your time, you might be a maryter, or you might be a complete moron.

But you are, without question, a hydraulic engineer who makes an upper-middle class salary. And from the pictures you posted a few years back, you don't even enjoy the fruits of your labor.

..I really hope you love looking at your wallet full of isk, and bank account full of euros. I hope that it compensates for your hanger empty of awesome ships and apartment empty of awesome comforts.

I, on the other hand, employ diminishing returns with my savings. I have enough savings (cash and useful inventory) to ride out hard times.

But what I don't have. I can't look at my bank account (or Eve wallet) and admire all the money I've earned in my life. Because I've spent (alot) of it. And had a shit ton of fun. And acquired a shit ton of awesome items. And made a shit ton of awesome memories.

But your Eve wallet/savings account looks so awesome with all of its 0's! Hope you enjoy staring at all those 0's! Hope you can take it with you when you die!

Gevlon = Knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.

Christy Cloud said...

Surely someone who can look at the world as numbers, and use the knowledge of these numbers to their own personal advantage is intrinsically not in the "kid" category. Also what is your problem with efficiency, human life is almost entirely based on the concept of efficiency, if i can do something in one hour, why spend 5 hours doing it. And again i have to side with gevlon when it comes to social interaction, social interaction is deemed 'necessary', but why? Most would say it is due to the fun of the social interaction itself, but why should someone feel obligated to interact in a scenario they do not wish to? You claim gevlon sees the world as numbers, you evidently do not, to speculate maybe he would nteract better with someone who sees things how he does. Gevlons approach to EvE has been shown to be effective, and since im here to read about his approach to eve and i honestly dont care how he approaches his life and neither should you, christ for all we know his eve success may translate to real life success. Terrible wall of phone text over.

Anonymous said...

Or you can use my response -

Thanks for noticing, btw you have just been demolished in the game of your choice by a 12 year old. How does that make you feel?

Is it your age that has made you so narrow minded towards game mechanics and made your reactions so dull?

Harvest those tears. These sorts of statements are normally an indicator that you are doing something right :)

Anonymous said...

If you ever get into a management position, you'll find out talking to people IS the way to make everything more efficient and that social connections are the key to big money. It's all about your lack of mental maturity which you demonstrate even in the comments. A hint - one of the ways to show maturity is the ability to admit being wrong. You haven't reached even that level yet.

Gevlon said...

Hallelujah, I understand it now! I'm a kid, because I'm unable to accept that I'm wrong, after it's been proved by ... anonymous telling so without any proof or evidence.

Lucas Kell said...

I'll give it a shot at answering this.

I think the reason many people say you are a child is the way you portray yourself is the same way that a child would. You don't accept criticism yet you criticise everyone else purely for not being like you.

Take for example your ISK situation. You like to make isk, and that's great. You do so by doing something everyone else can do, so in your mind, the fact that other people don't do that makes them "morons and slackers". That's your conclusion, but that's not an adult conclusion. Most adults would conclude that since the majority aren't doing what you do, they must be doing it by choice, and when you delve deeper into that choice, you realise it's because their aim is to "have fun", not to make isk.

Now here, the adult response is that not all people are created identically, and so different people find joy and accomplishment in different things, but your response undoubtedly would be that they are wrong, and that your way is the right way.
The core of it is that you are completely unwilling to accept that there is not an absolute right way and absolute wrong way to do things, and that your way is not always the right way.

You also tend to try to compare everything to yourself, but ensuring you come out on top, which is another trait you tend to see in children. Children hate to feel inferior, so they try to show themselves as the best of everything and feel the need to self-validate when others don't validate them. Adults tend to understand that you can't be the best an everything and accept that. Reading your posts, it's clear that you want to portray yourself as the pinnacle of gamers, the player we all wish to be, but in truth nobody does, so this further pushes you to self-validate.

I really wish I could enjoy your blog, you seem to have a lot to say, but I think you spend too much time trying to figure out the best way to say it to show you in the right light, and not enough time gathering facts and alternate opinions. Take for example your TEST finance post. You pulled numbers from the air, completely made up and made no effort to contact anyone with a working knowledge of the existing alliance finance system to find out how they work and why they work that way.

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but the fact that people say you are childlike is brought on by yourself. You will always get people that will simply insult you no matter what you do, but the way you portray yourself will guide the majority of comments. I would advise that you ease off comparing everything to yourself, show a little humility when posting about things you may not be correct about, respond positively to negative criticism while taking onboard the reasons for that criticism, and stop automatically assuming people different from yourself are wrong. That would go a long way to improving the quality of your posts and the quality of the responses.

This is just my opinion, so don't take it as gospel. Hope it helps though.

Lucas

Gevlon said...

"The core of it is that you are completely unwilling to accept that there is not an absolute right way and absolute wrong way to do things, and that your way is not always the right way."

My way is obviously not always right. But there IS and absolute right way of doing this, and I'm seeking it. Morons and slackers don't, they are fine at being bad and dub it "having fun".

Now I accept one childish trait: adults have learned to simply look the other way when other people fail, simply because there is little chance to fix it, while I keep trying to get more proofs and motivate people to improve. Most don't. But some do, and that's enough for me.

The "people have different priorities" is simply a politically correct lie. No one wants to be poor, no one wants to a loser (unsuccessful in his actions). Yet most people are, and then cover it up with "I didn't want that ship anyway", aka different priorities.

The problem is that people don't even ATTEMPT to prove that my way is wrong, they just say "yeah, you have more ISK than I could ever make and made more kills a month than my whole corp but hey, I'm having so much fun losing frigates!"

Also, I ALWAYS said that my methods are repeatable and not coming from personal abilities. I am not great or special. Anyone can reach what I've reached if he just follows the manual, so I don't see where I want to look good.

Lucas Kell said...

"My way is obviously not always right. But there IS and absolute right way of doing this, and I'm seeking it. Morons and slackers don't, they are fine at being bad and dub it "having fun"."
But that in itself is wrong. The world is not black and white, there are few absolutes. And against you are using the "Morons and slackers". Who are you to judge them?

"The "people have different priorities" is simply a politically correct lie. No one wants to be poor, no one wants to a loser (unsuccessful in his actions). Yet most people are, and then cover it up with "I didn't want that ship anyway", aka different priorities."
Here you are making the misconception that someone who does things differently from you is a loser. If someone chooses to just do low sec PvP, camping gates and is successful in that, they they are a success at what they aimed to do. Just because it's not what YOU chose to do does not make them a loser. It makes them different, and that's the point. Everyone is different.

"The problem is that people don't even ATTEMPT to prove that my way is wrong, they just say "yeah, you have more ISK than I could ever make and made more kills a month than my whole corp but hey, I'm having so much fun losing frigates!""
I can't see your ISK or your kills, so that's pretty much beside the point. I have easily enough isk coming in to plex 7 accounts and keep me in capital ships and I've never been one for killboards, so there's not too much worry there. The point is they don't have to prove you are wrong because they are not saying you are wrong. You are saying they are wrong, and you are providing no evidence to support that. At best you throw a few numbers around, state a metric of measurement that is compatible with you and incompatible with them and use that to prove they are wrong.

"Also, I ALWAYS said that my methods are repeatable and not coming from personal abilities. I am not great or special. Anyone can reach what I've reached if he just follows the manual, so I don't see where I want to look good."
My point with that is the reason people AREN'T doing it, is not because they are moron and slackers. It's because they don't WANT to do it. They find no fun in doing what you do, and that's OK, they can play however they want. It's a game, not a 2nd job. ISK is not a global measurement of success, it's simply one metric in a game.

Can you honestly not see where the issue lies here? I give you constructive criticism and explain why people may react the way they do and you immediately respond by trying to disprove every point and show you are right. You expect me to provide evidence to go with what I say, and your responses are that evidence. You don't feel that you require any evidence when making statements like "there IS and absolute right way of doing this" however.

Anonymous said...

Gevlon - you sort of nailed it when you said you are a kid because you are not a dropout.

I think the idea is that you are a kid for not being against the ideals tough in various school (and against which teenagers typically start to rebel). So you're perceived as not out of high school properly/fully.

The more mature comments here point out that rebellion against those ideals is integral to "living a human life", that enjoying life above and beyond monetary gain is a type of utility that your objective functions completely and incorrectly ignore to put it technically.

Kevin Bullock said...

EVE and WOW are no different then real life. Life is black and white. We call it grey because few will admit to the truth. History is a testament to this. The few who seek truth are usually persecuted. The weapon of choice is name calling, slander, deportation and imprisonment. "You don't know TEST finances" is not a helpful counter argument. "TEST makes X amount and here is where that figure comes from" is.
I started an EVE account to follow you. The game is not fun for me so I never played. This Blog on a "game" is very insightful on life too.

Lucas Kell said...

@Kevin Bullock The world is not black and white buddy. Everything in life has shades of grey. Take for example shooting somebody. It's a bad thing to do, but what if they person is putting someone else in danger? What degree of danger gives you the rights to stop them? How much force do you use to do so? There is no absolute right and wrong answer. You may have your answer and others have theirs, but none will be definitively correct.

You say "You don't know TEST finances" is not a helpful counter, but it is not designed to be. The point being made by that is as Gevlon doesn't know their finances, his judgement of them is not based in fact, they are guess based on hearsay. You can't expect someone to provide full evidence for a counter argument, when the original argument is based off of a guess. The likelihood of someone in the TEST finance department releasing actual information on their financial status is slim, since it would be a heavily damaging information leak.

As an example of this, I know absolutely nothing about the economy of Malawi, but if I ran their finances, I'd have that country ship shape in no time. Now unless you are in a position of power in Malawi, anything you say to counter my argument is not productive, as you can't provide me with evidence to support your claims, even though I've provided none myself.

Anonymous said...

"Hallelujah, I understand it now! I'm a kid, because I'm unable to accept that I'm wrong, after it's been proved by ... anonymous telling so without any proof or evidence."

Well, ppl still are waiting for clarification where you got your numbers about goon.finances from.

You were proven that your assumptions about the average goon (not grinding isk for himself) were wrong.

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