The Goons are back with their friends, killing miners again in highsec. After it was made practically impossible by CCP. Why? Because many miners are dumb as the rocks they shoot. Look at these horrible loss reports: 1, 2, 3, 4. Zero tank. Nada. These poor things are already in the company of the MLU stacking arch-moron in the afterlife for ships piloted by braindead monkeys.
Let me put it as simple as possible: if you are piloting something like these on the Gallente ice fields, you are a capital idiot. No, these aren't "max yield" fits, that would include a "medium ice harvester accelerator" rig:
But first let's see what a max-yield fit Mackinaw gets in the ice fields:
Now if we remember the Exhumer rebalancing, we can tell that CCP created a specific ship to the miners who don't want to die to gankers:
Now that we agree that using a Mackinaw for ice mining during Goon Ice Campaign is dumb, let's move to the advanced stuff. What shall you do if your style is AFK mining? I mean target the ice, start laser, go AFK.
[intense drumming]
Get the hell out of the icefield idiot! Do you seriously expect to live during a griefing campaign in a PvP game while being AFK? Go and mine Scordite in a Mackinaw! Seriously! There is no way the Goons or anyone else can cover all highsec. You will always find a peaceful corner to AFK-mine something.
So you plan to keep mining ice during Ice Interdiction and ready to take it seriously? Do you have an Orca supported multi-miner gang? If no, just move to something else. Going trough the trouble for the income of only 2-3 mining accounts is silly. Go mine Scordite! If you have 6+ mining ships and an Orca and ready to reap the profits of the increased ice prices, you need to PLEX 1 more account. If you already have at least 7, +1 isn't that much.
No, not a Scimitar with 4 reppers. That ship has 30% less EHP than a Skiff and costs 40% more, they'll gank that after they failed first time. The extra ship is a link Tengu with Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense I, Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II and Siege Warfare Mindlink implant. This ship sits off-grid and boosts the gang for higher shield and armor HP and resists, rising the 66K EHP of the Skiff to 101K (121K overheated). Don't forget to fit buffer tank on it, it can be tanked up to 190K. It can sit on a remote location.
The Orca acts as squad booster (wing booster is the Tengu, always place the Tengu above the Orca). There is no need to boost ice harvester capacitor use as the Skiffs are stable at high capacitor. Have a shield transporter if the Skiffs are close, a tractor beam if far. If you can't buy a booster Tengu pilot fast, just fit the shield harmonizing link on the Orca and replace the mining Mindlink to Siege. Shield maintenance drones shall be deployed, Skiffs pre-locked to engage them fast. Orcas cannot be ganked by Catalysts. Goons claim that they can do coordinated attacks on Orcas, but the linked ships aren't Orcas. They are "abominations created during a session in the daycare for Down syndrome children". This is how an ice field Orca shall look like:
The above makes ganking totally unfeasible. The gankers lose 2x more ISK then their targets and need an extremely organized fleet of dozens where the fail of one player can end up in a big waste of money, time and security status. But what if they keep coming back, just to show who is the boss? Give up 9% more yield and show them who is the boss!
Ganking miners without extreme effort is impossible. Anyone dying to ganks simply deserves to die by the law of Darwin.
Some more news from nullsec. We took the station in GE-8JV, the former capital of the c-A-rebe-A-rs. The supercapitals took down its hull while the enemy were camped in their station:
They now live in an NPC station in Stain. We have a tower in this system with lot of juicy titans:
They also have a tower, but with only one titan and lot of our titans waiting for a spy to bump it out (but no spy was able to):
Finally some laughs: Have you heard people whining that the enemy upshipped, ruining a good fight by bringing battlecruisers against T1 cruisers? Well, PL brought upshipping to a new level.
Saturday morning report: 169.8B (5.5 spent on main accounts, 6.5 spent on Logi/Carrier, 3.2 on Ragnarok, 2.7 on Rorqual, 2.8 on Nyx, 2.8 on Dread, 37.4 sent as gift)
Sunday morning report: 172.0B (5.5 spent on main accounts, 6.5 spent on Logi/Carrier, 3.2 on Ragnarok, 2.7 on Rorqual, 2.8 on Nyx, 2.8 on Dread, 37.4 sent as gift)
Monday morning report: 173.4B (5.5 spent on main accounts, 6.5 spent on Logi/Carrier, 3.2 on Ragnarok, 2.7 on Rorqual, 2.8 on Nyx, 2.8 on Dread, 37.4 sent as gift)
Let me put it as simple as possible: if you are piloting something like these on the Gallente ice fields, you are a capital idiot. No, these aren't "max yield" fits, that would include a "medium ice harvester accelerator" rig:
But first let's see what a max-yield fit Mackinaw gets in the ice fields:
Now if we remember the Exhumer rebalancing, we can tell that CCP created a specific ship to the miners who don't want to die to gankers:
Now that we agree that using a Mackinaw for ice mining during Goon Ice Campaign is dumb, let's move to the advanced stuff. What shall you do if your style is AFK mining? I mean target the ice, start laser, go AFK.
[intense drumming]
Get the hell out of the icefield idiot! Do you seriously expect to live during a griefing campaign in a PvP game while being AFK? Go and mine Scordite in a Mackinaw! Seriously! There is no way the Goons or anyone else can cover all highsec. You will always find a peaceful corner to AFK-mine something.
So you plan to keep mining ice during Ice Interdiction and ready to take it seriously? Do you have an Orca supported multi-miner gang? If no, just move to something else. Going trough the trouble for the income of only 2-3 mining accounts is silly. Go mine Scordite! If you have 6+ mining ships and an Orca and ready to reap the profits of the increased ice prices, you need to PLEX 1 more account. If you already have at least 7, +1 isn't that much.
No, not a Scimitar with 4 reppers. That ship has 30% less EHP than a Skiff and costs 40% more, they'll gank that after they failed first time. The extra ship is a link Tengu with Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense I, Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II and Siege Warfare Mindlink implant. This ship sits off-grid and boosts the gang for higher shield and armor HP and resists, rising the 66K EHP of the Skiff to 101K (121K overheated). Don't forget to fit buffer tank on it, it can be tanked up to 190K. It can sit on a remote location.
The Orca acts as squad booster (wing booster is the Tengu, always place the Tengu above the Orca). There is no need to boost ice harvester capacitor use as the Skiffs are stable at high capacitor. Have a shield transporter if the Skiffs are close, a tractor beam if far. If you can't buy a booster Tengu pilot fast, just fit the shield harmonizing link on the Orca and replace the mining Mindlink to Siege. Shield maintenance drones shall be deployed, Skiffs pre-locked to engage them fast. Orcas cannot be ganked by Catalysts. Goons claim that they can do coordinated attacks on Orcas, but the linked ships aren't Orcas. They are "abominations created during a session in the daycare for Down syndrome children". This is how an ice field Orca shall look like:
The above makes ganking totally unfeasible. The gankers lose 2x more ISK then their targets and need an extremely organized fleet of dozens where the fail of one player can end up in a big waste of money, time and security status. But what if they keep coming back, just to show who is the boss? Give up 9% more yield and show them who is the boss!
Ganking miners without extreme effort is impossible. Anyone dying to ganks simply deserves to die by the law of Darwin.
Some more news from nullsec. We took the station in GE-8JV, the former capital of the c-A-rebe-A-rs. The supercapitals took down its hull while the enemy were camped in their station:
They now live in an NPC station in Stain. We have a tower in this system with lot of juicy titans:
They also have a tower, but with only one titan and lot of our titans waiting for a spy to bump it out (but no spy was able to):
Finally some laughs: Have you heard people whining that the enemy upshipped, ruining a good fight by bringing battlecruisers against T1 cruisers? Well, PL brought upshipping to a new level.
Saturday morning report: 169.8B (5.5 spent on main accounts, 6.5 spent on Logi/Carrier, 3.2 on Ragnarok, 2.7 on Rorqual, 2.8 on Nyx, 2.8 on Dread, 37.4 sent as gift)
Sunday morning report: 172.0B (5.5 spent on main accounts, 6.5 spent on Logi/Carrier, 3.2 on Ragnarok, 2.7 on Rorqual, 2.8 on Nyx, 2.8 on Dread, 37.4 sent as gift)
Monday morning report: 173.4B (5.5 spent on main accounts, 6.5 spent on Logi/Carrier, 3.2 on Ragnarok, 2.7 on Rorqual, 2.8 on Nyx, 2.8 on Dread, 37.4 sent as gift)
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"They also have a tower, but with only one titan"
that's no longer true ;)
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/pederf-h/2012.10.22.10.59.40.png
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=543560
titan pilot jumped in 2 minutes fore dt and immediately logged off, his hardeners were not active and PL titans volleyed him with DDs.
If you have some spare coins (as someone who wants to mine ice) get your self a procurer. or even a stack of them. They aren't as tough as skiffs but much cheaper.
They may get ganked eventually but it will be a pain for all involved players.
Example fitting:
[Procurer, tank]
Damage Control II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Ice Harvester II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
You might also take the risk to only fight Therm/Kin resis and hope that they won't show up in anything else than catas and brutix but i wouldn't count on that.
A few weeks inside a pvp corp/alliance and you finally started to see Eve with a diferent perspective!!
Give it a couple more weeks, do more pvp and then read your first posts you made months ago and get a laugh!
Goonswarm is not doing this campaign to make money blowing up miners, they are doing this to jack up the price of Gallente ice by eliminating the competition in high sec. Anything that drops from the high sec ice miners is gravy - the real money is to be made screwing the market. Looking at the sovereignty map, Goons have caldari ice, while Fatal Ascention, Executive Outcomes and Test have Gallente ice. I know I'm missing something, but I'm not sure what Goons get out of this.
All my mining barges (except one) are tanked as much as I can make them. The sole exception is one only used for mining missions, and that one has a microwarp and nanos, because quest asteroids don't last half a laser cycle, and getting from rock_a to rock_b is far more important.
On your skiff brick, I would probably have put a DCU instead of the second IHU. And probably a warp stabilizer or nano instead of the remaining IHU. And probably use EC-300 drones if others in the belt are using combat drones.
Don't you have two ice harvesters in the first fit and only one in the second? That turns "9%" into 45%.
The Skiff has one turret but bonus on that turret.
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