tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post9076518112698248288..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Mean guys of the weekGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63937365294004283692010-01-26T00:08:49.383+01:002010-01-26T00:08:49.383+01:00Disappointing, the quality of submissions for this...Disappointing, the quality of submissions for this feature seems to have gone down already. I did thoroughly enjoy reading the priest leveling guide though. And the paladin thinking mages and warlocks could heal was mildly amusing. The other's weren't really worth the effort to decode the chatlogs.<br /><br />As many others seem to have noted, the tank doing more dps than the DPS isn't really notable. The party dps isn't so low that they should have any problems. The DPS may not be that great, but it's good enough that a wipe was likely caused by the healing or tanking side of things. Perhaps the bored healer wasn't spending enough time paying attention, but even he noted that it wasn't a dps problem. DPS meters don't tell the full story, they merely provide numbers. The only thing you can really tell from those numbers is that they won't be causing a wipe.Zanathosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48259970001273437502010-01-25T20:09:00.123+01:002010-01-25T20:09:00.123+01:00Did recount some how magically fix the problems it...Did recount some how magically fix the problems it was having tracking interserver damage?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03393172307936847941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7534208693660173302010-01-25T16:56:18.647+01:002010-01-25T16:56:18.647+01:00I wish I'd screenshotted my one from the weeke...I wish I'd screenshotted my one from the weekend.<br /><br />On my Resto Shaman, doing my daily hell-PUG for my Frosts. The tank zones in and says that the Rogue is his dps alt and is going to be on /follow for extra badges.<br /><br />I ask him if he's asking us to 4-man the dungeon for him and he says "Ye, if u dont like it get another tank".<br /><br />So I cheerfully drop group and ignore. A 15 minute wait beats slogging an undergeared tank through a 4 man dungeon clear. I know tanks are the rarest of the random types, but I think some of them are getting a bit out of hand :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032019496439141404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73883683477277691882010-01-25T14:11:49.367+01:002010-01-25T14:11:49.367+01:00Hustle here.
He was 71 blood with no Hysteria and ...Hustle here.<br />He was 71 blood with no Hysteria and a mix of tanking and DPS gear, green gems to match bonuses, was using unholy presence. It's not about low DPS, if he was doing 2k and had all quest blues, that would be OK, but I will always kick M&S, or wipe them if they do not agree. Do you really think constructive criticism will help him? It didn't before that point. Are you really happy to carry a 1200 DPS player who has no idea about his class at all? If so then maybe he is not the only M&S here. I am more dick than goblin perhaps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59955387688848472702010-01-25T08:50:27.371+01:002010-01-25T08:50:27.371+01:00I must have misunderstood the purpose of mean guys...I must have misunderstood the purpose of mean guys of the week. I thought it was supposed to be constructive criticism, not making silly over dramatic ultimatums.<br /><br />why was that dk doing such a low dps? Generaly, if I can be bothered to care, I don't just look at the general numbers, I look at the spell usage split, hits/misses, etc. maybe he's just not hitting his buttons fast enough. Maybe he's hitting them in a wrong order. maybe he has no hit or expertise to speak off (if you see a lot of dodges on the hit/crit/miss list, that means expertise is low or non-existent, and if you see parries fro ma dps? that means they were attacking from the front and maybe that's part of the reason for low dps? positioning?)<br /><br />Whatever the reason for low dps, making an ultimatum of "him or me" is in no way constructive or useful. <br /><br />Unless of course, I misunderstood the purpose of "mean guys" and its just another "morons of the week" recolored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70874211771028750662010-01-25T08:13:11.902+01:002010-01-25T08:13:11.902+01:00Most of those comments concentrating on the "...Most of those comments concentrating on the "DK case" show only that Gevlon is right. <br /><br />People prefer playing with complete morons who are "freindly nais d00ds" and even sympathize with them than to play with competent people who happen to be harsh on others. <br /><br />So you say the 1100 dps t9 DK is okay and the other guy was unjust. So we don't kick those 1100 dpsers out of heroics. They get "5k+ gearscore imba lulz" and join your voa pug or icc raiding guild, because newsflash, most "guild applications" are so detached from the person if I copy-paste spec, gear and gems from EJ and write some "witty and ambitious" answers to standard questions (copy pasted as well, "what is raiding for you?" "why did you leave your previous guild?") you won't find out he's 1100 dps M&S before you take him to raid and suffer. Time before you kick him out is a time horribly wasted, and either you benched someone to take him to raid or you didn't, but now you can't replace him - raid day spoiled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78801423831979604182010-01-25T05:39:25.553+01:002010-01-25T05:39:25.553+01:00From what I read in that log, I assume the paladin...From what I read in that log, I assume the paladin tank tanked the boss till 15% or so, DId the 3k DPS druid and let the other 3 people deal with the last 15%. From their reaction, someone died (might be the mage from his mouth frothing), but they killed it.<br /><br />So the paladin wasted nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13913295262291497532010-01-25T05:17:25.932+01:002010-01-25T05:17:25.932+01:00Yeah, I'm surprised you listed that 3rd one Ge...Yeah, I'm surprised you listed that 3rd one Gevlon.<br /><br />Considering you were all for rezzing slack asses a few weeks ago, how is this a good way to spend your time?<br /><br />Drama-queen sub routine, in my opinion.Tribunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40169048254429222682010-01-25T04:38:51.934+01:002010-01-25T04:38:51.934+01:00I'm playing a DK in the US undergeared group. ...I'm playing a DK in the US undergeared group. At level 72 I would do 1.1k DPS in mostly outland blues/quest greens.<br /><br />My rotation wasn't even a complex well-timed and well-executed system. It consisted of:<br /><br />- Apply diseases<br />- Pestilence<br />- Press Heart Strike and Death Strike<br /><br />I didn't even put DnD down because the tank said it made picking up mobs a little harder (which it was, since he was a warrior).<br /><br />That simple rotation was enough to get me to 1.1k DPS at level 72 in your average run of the mill levelling gear. This DK has pieces of tier 9 and is 8 levels ahead of me and struggles to match that?<br /><br />There is no way that he is anything but lazy and/or stupid.<br /><br />What else irks me is Death Knights who complain that they "haven't been playing their class long" and that somehow excuses them for doing laughable DPS. I've never played a melee dps class before undergeared but by the time I left the DK starting area I already knew the rotation listed above would provide the best dps. Its really not hard to work out when almost every damaging ability quite literally says "does more damage per disease on the target".<br /><br />Bad DKs aside, as Iiene mentioned the tank was just being a drama queen or fishing for a screenshot to send to Gevlon. If someone is under performing you should either offer tips or ignore it until the queue cooldown expires at which point you can leave if nothing has improved. There's no need to chuck a tantrum at the last boss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28981838154926792702010-01-25T00:55:26.644+01:002010-01-25T00:55:26.644+01:00recount is broke if it's not updated. I got bo...recount is broke if it's not updated. I got booted from a pug on my rug for having 800 deeps on the meter a bitter hunter posted...After checking my own Skada, I was putting out 2.2k. <br /><br />I don't trust a m&s's recount.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06898839284617647719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18847098920027934242010-01-25T00:48:25.242+01:002010-01-25T00:48:25.242+01:00I really don't see how any of these quallify a...I really don't see how any of these quallify as "mean" tbh. Nothing you wouldn't expect to see in a pug with people performing that badly. Nothing cruel or malicious, just honest criticism.Treenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87413634864179455952010-01-25T00:46:39.895+01:002010-01-25T00:46:39.895+01:00Maybe it made him feel better and he gain recreati...Maybe it made him feel better and he gain recreational value, which could cost more then gold lost.zahorijshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06107289820888581012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24465911079936266882010-01-24T21:39:14.610+01:002010-01-24T21:39:14.610+01:00I tend to agree that it's not worth booting pe...I tend to agree that it's not worth booting people for low dps, even if they are really bad.<br /><br />I boot people (or leave if the vote goes the wrong way) in a second for stupid dps tricks though (body pulls messing with LoS pulls, pulling aggro when they can't outdps me by focusing on a non-skull mob and then complaining about my tanking, etc.).<br /><br />But it's so not worth trying to boot somebody just because their numbers are low, unless the healer is bad or the tank is undergeared and you actually need appropriate dps.<br /><br />Oh, and to those wondering about the healer dpsing, old heroics with tanks in full 226+ gear are boring as hell. Even with a blue tank, my tree (in mostly naxx/valor epics) generally pops out and does some dps, and not an uber healer skillwise. With somebody in full 232+ tanking , I'd be sleepwalking if I didn't dps.The Gnome of Zurichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203965173625552516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42586555384163265202010-01-24T21:10:32.666+01:002010-01-24T21:10:32.666+01:00Umm. Yes, you take one point out of SoC and put 3 ...Umm. Yes, you take one point out of SoC and put 3 points into conviction and 2 into crusade.<br /><br />Right, you run along and do just that.<br /><br /><br />There's lots of places where a raid can go wrong, and theorycrafting around 2% of one tank's damage is the proverbial clutching at straws.Kaaterinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13676270445772383142010-01-24T19:43:51.680+01:002010-01-24T19:43:51.680+01:00Here's some goblin wisdom for y'all-
Where...Here's some goblin wisdom for y'all-<br />Where's the profit to the tank in pitching a fit when (s)he did? So the loser moron dk dps was slacking? Put'em on ignore, get your badges, and never have to deal with him again. Why waste money ('cause Time is Money, friend) pitching a bitch?HueHuenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59841116577184239902010-01-24T19:29:26.637+01:002010-01-24T19:29:26.637+01:00Kaaterina:
I was trashing the tank for DIing on a...Kaaterina:<br /><br />I was trashing the tank for DIing on a boss fight. A trivial one at that. <br /><br />Your comments are contradictory:<br /><br />"which makes it the seal of choice on trash pack fights that last less than 30 secs"<br /><br />"where would you put it? Conviction, Crusade, SoTP or Reckoning. Oh gee, look at that, a 2% damage increase at best."<br /><br />Conviction would be my choice. Others might choose 2 points in Conviction and 3 in Crusade. Your comments are contradictory because they advocate sacrificing a tiny advantage in the fight that might actually matter (against a hard boss) for a tiny advantage in fights you could stomp with impunity (trash groups in heroics)<br /><br />It makes no sense to make gear or talent selections favoring trivial fights.Iiene of Kul Tirashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13427908681308163728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5578275909186813612010-01-24T17:59:07.828+01:002010-01-24T17:59:07.828+01:00@Liene
I'm sorry to say, you have about no cl...@Liene<br /><br />I'm sorry to say, you have about no clue about what seal does.<br /><br />Maybe it's time for you to read the patch notes, especially the note about SoC affecting not only one target, but 3, which makes it the seal of choice on trash pack fights that last less than 30 secs (time needed to apply 5 vengeance on 3 mobs using HotR), and where you do not need the added expertise. (Which, incidentally would be all the trash packs in heroics.) <br /><br />So, maybe, next time you should get a dose of L2P before running your mouth.<br /><br />Wait, I'm not done ranting. <br /><br />Devil's advocate mode on. Even admitting that the point put in SoC was subpar (which is not), where would you put it? Conviction, Crusade, SoTP or Reckoning. Oh gee, look at that, a 2% damage increase at best.(there's no survival talents left that could be taken instead). That means she'd do about.... 58 more DpS. YAY LET'S TOTALLY BASH THE PALADIN TANK FOR DOING 2900 DPS INSTEAD OF 2958 DPS cause that totally is out of order, unlike the DK that did 1.1k which was PERFECTLY fine.<br /><br />Kaaterina- Twilight's HammerKaaterinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75827068548476864032010-01-24T17:33:29.826+01:002010-01-24T17:33:29.826+01:00So... Hustle, the elitist asshole Paladin tank, wh...So... Hustle, the elitist asshole Paladin tank, who was ROFLstomping an easy heroic... DIed on the final boss because the group wouldn't kick a 1100 DPS DK? What kind of asshole does that?<br /><br />Drama Queen! Drama Queen! Make way for the Drama Queen!<br /><br />Can she run? Oh hell Yeah! She's got both points in Pursuit of Justice!<br /><br />Can she fight? Listen bub.. She's talented in Seal of Command.<br /><br />If you don't do what she wants, she'll DI on the boss.<br /><br />Hey hey! There goes the Drama Queen!<br />(Ok, that doesn't rhyme, sue me.)<br /><br />Ok, 1100 dps is really low. Especially for a DK (Albeit one who's been grinding heroics so fast, he hasn't had time to enchant or gem the new gear.) I'm not making excuses for the DK. I'm dressing down the elitist asshole of a tank for DIing on a boss fight because she didn't get her way.<br /><br />Where's the fire? 9K total DPS not good enough for a heroic? Perhaps Hustle should focus more on downing Festergut (Looks like their guild can't get past him on 10 man yet) than adding drama to easy heroics.<br /><br />And, to clarify the errors of the other posters: It was the healer doing 800 dps who said the DPS was fine, not the DK.<br /><br />I also gotta wonder why a Paladin Tank has the Seal of Command talent. Perhaps this is why they can't get past Festergut.<br /><br />Cause you know... all normal content is so trivial even people in blues can defeat it. I would think an elite e-peener like Hustle would have no problem.<br /><br />For the record: My guild is currently stuck on Rotface (10 man normal) and we sure as hell aren't wearing blues or totally suck. It's a tough fight to learn, and we can't do it the Gevlon way (Pay others to learn it, then get boosted by them)Iiene of Kul Tirashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13427908681308163728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73848087235214751082010-01-24T16:15:47.269+01:002010-01-24T16:15:47.269+01:00"why would a healer be dpsing? "
Becaus..."why would a healer be dpsing? "<br /><br />Because he was bored. This happens when you have an overgeared tank and an easy heroic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61984481560540295372010-01-24T15:34:58.776+01:002010-01-24T15:34:58.776+01:00Anyone doing sub 2k dps at 80 classifies as a moro...Anyone doing sub 2k dps at 80 classifies as a moron and a slacker who just leeches on the other players.<br /><br />My druid for the undergeared project is now at 67 and is doing 800-1000 dps. And that's with rather crappy gear and me not trying to do great dps.<br /><br />Todays post was a good one, it contained all of the idiots you encounter on a normal day.Denethalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08459012900923861801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82561238468380926432010-01-24T15:10:06.578+01:002010-01-24T15:10:06.578+01:00"Why do people complain about boosting people..."Why do people complain about boosting people in heroics..."<br /><br />Maybe because running HCs is a team effort. You don't want to pull your weight and get boosted fair enough, get some guildies or friends to boost you. Don't expect complete strangers to do it for you for free without even asking first. <br />And from what I seen no one was complaining about the dk being under geared, they were complaining about him under performing. There's a big difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18693967964397530482010-01-24T14:00:39.674+01:002010-01-24T14:00:39.674+01:00I cannot believe people are defending that dk and ...I cannot believe people are defending that dk and saying the tank is the moron. 1.1k dps is a complete joke at that level. If he doesn't know how to play his class for whatever reason, he should be practicing rotations on dummies or running normals, not expecting to get carried along in HCs. <br />Seriously, the only reason I can think of that anyone would defend him, is if they also are total morons with similar dps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3838347446791435242010-01-24T13:49:54.783+01:002010-01-24T13:49:54.783+01:00While I agree that the DK doing low DPS is pretty ...While I agree that the DK doing low DPS is pretty horrid, in the screenshot it looks like they're in Gundrak, and on Moorabi. At this point, it's NOT very long to finish the dungeon. If you ignore Eck (which a lot of people do for some reason), then it's even shorter. If they're that deep into the dungeon, shouldn't the tank have noticed the lackluster DPS long ago? I know the first thing I notice is low DPS as the tank.<br /><br />Having an 80 paladin tank, I know I out-DPS some of the DPS sometimes. Unless they're doing sub-1.5-2k DPS though, I don't take much notice of it. The class just simply puts out more DPS than others. Same thing with druid tanks; I've seen well-geared druid tanks pump out 3k+ in heroics.<br /><br />As to why the healer was DPS'ing...I'm guessing you guys haven't healed a good paladin tank before, or at least not a geared one. They take very little damage, and what they do take is pretty even and predictable. Healing heroics is pretty boring, for the most part. Might as well keep yourself entertained.Halmotorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10175403332665586554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22435253009000769972010-01-24T13:37:23.305+01:002010-01-24T13:37:23.305+01:00Why do people complain about boosting people in he...Why do people complain about boosting people in heroics...people refuse to realize that heroics is for gearing and getting better gear, also learning how to play your class with a group, learning rotations to make them a better player, not for bitches with higher gear to complain about under geared people "who arent cutting it". Stop whinning, get your badges and move on. If you have a problem with the low dps dont be a douche and maybe give them some tips.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75617533084878636642010-01-24T12:54:20.942+01:002010-01-24T12:54:20.942+01:00"Also, the first quote from the DK.
"Om..."Also, the first quote from the DK.<br /><br />"Omg lmao wanna bet it won't be a problem"<br /><br />What a polite, non-confrontational and diplomatic phrase."<br /><br />Hmm ... I missed that. And tier 9 gear? I might have to reconsider my position on this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com