tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post8447865318932633463..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Inverse ransomGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17685592395652632282012-04-10T22:17:48.880+02:002012-04-10T22:17:48.880+02:00It's usually fairly easy to get away with your...It's usually fairly easy to get away with your pod even in lowsec - so that isn't a concern.<br /><br />Unless they are set up specifically to catch pods and get really lucky, or you get really unlucky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30008879578696748022012-04-04T10:11:19.373+02:002012-04-04T10:11:19.373+02:00If a pirate is acting professional, it's usual...If a pirate is acting professional, it's usually worth paying a ransom; they'll usually honor it. If the pirate is gloating or smack talking I don't bother; they'll probably blow you up anyways, and I wouldn't give them the pleasure of a ransom anyways.<br /><br />Of course, I'm mostly going by experience from a few years back; the simple truth is that it's very easy to avoid pirates if you're careful and know what you're doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34840557160432468772012-04-04T09:22:55.349+02:002012-04-04T09:22:55.349+02:00From the perspective of the victim, under your pro...From the perspective of the victim, under your proposed solution, the optimal way would be to accept the ISK payment from the pirate, then self-destruct.<br /><br />For me, the victim, the ship is lost either way. However, by blowing up my ship, I make piracy less profitable, thus lessening my risk of meeting the pirate in the future.<br /><br />Sure, there's a risk of getting pod-killed, but that risk is also there when I eject. What's going to stop the pirate from doing so? His good nature? Please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15222365856377515282012-04-03T22:12:08.224+02:002012-04-03T22:12:08.224+02:00Well, I am not playing EVE for that long, but it i...Well, I am not playing EVE for that long, but it is my understanding and (up to now) experience that your chance to escape in your pod is not bad (some ships lost, but never podded).<br /><br />So I would take the ISK, self-destruct the ship and try to escape in the pod.<br /><br />Well, actually no. I wouldn't be able to take the ISK, because I'd reject the convo (as it's usually just fishing for tears).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69126949897136749242012-04-03T22:12:04.742+02:002012-04-03T22:12:04.742+02:00I think a better term for this would be hostile ta...I think a better term for this would be hostile takeover. Happens everyday in "real life".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-50528305745578220122012-04-03T21:57:22.253+02:002012-04-03T21:57:22.253+02:00That's entirely too complicated.
What's t...That's entirely too complicated.<br /><br />What's to stop me from getting tackled(as bait), taking your money, and then brining in my support to blow you up?<br /><br />I think Piracy just needs a more target rich environment, not some convoluted scheme to make them rich. CCP needs to give more people a reason to go into low-sec.Wormhole Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969012484264200090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54359724118217325872012-04-03T20:54:48.836+02:002012-04-03T20:54:48.836+02:00You're forgetting the primary appeal of PVP, t...You're forgetting the primary appeal of PVP, the killmail.<br /><br />That killmail is worth more to the 'pirate' than most T1 hulls..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46636020284727729762012-04-03T19:03:16.631+02:002012-04-03T19:03:16.631+02:00Problem lies in the fact that in the situation aft...Problem lies in the fact that in the situation after the pirate would transfer the ISK, his prey still has no incentive to eject. His ship is lost either way, and any promises to spare his pod are worthless; the pirate can still try to catch the pod after he ejects, and loses nothing by doing so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72031709600813339152012-04-03T16:48:42.317+02:002012-04-03T16:48:42.317+02:00Yarr, I'm in receipt of your silver, sailor!
...Yarr, I'm in receipt of your silver, sailor!<br /><br />But you are not rowin' my great, grand ship out of here filthy pirate scum!<br /><br />Ye have two options now, yarr! Watch as I selfdestruct and lose your ISK or join me on voice and sing some opera for me.<br /><br />Yarr!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83791270384261114482012-04-03T16:14:18.808+02:002012-04-03T16:14:18.808+02:00ransoming people for their ships even offering sma...ransoming people for their ships even offering small amounts of isk aint really that profitable - back in my pirate days we did that a hand full of times, but usually its to high of a risk. <br />gatecampers can do that to some extend, and i know of a few who did - but if your doing belt piracy you have a shit ton of risks involved, usually you want to hit, scoop, run - so you need one more character (and as someone who does solo piwacy you usually have 2 or 3 logged in already (scout + combat ship, sometimes dedicated tackler aswell) which means you need one more account, and you need to watch even more clients.<br />Also your "loot" character needs to be able to fly the specific ship, and he cant be used for agressing or he will be blinky which makes it hard to get a (most likely horrible fitted) ship to a safe place for sale.<br /><br />the cargo drop has similar problems, you need a hauler to pickup the jetcanned stuff, you also need a very good idea of what the cargo might be worth, then you need to haul and sell it somewhere else.<br /><br />in all cases the longer you have to discuss with people about their ransom, or the longer you have to keep 'em tackled for example for them counting freight - the higher the risk for yourself. <br /><br />About Pirate corps - most pirate corps that are arround for a while honor their ransoms and have punishment for members who dont.<br /><br />However you should not confuse pirates or gatecampersPeter Petermannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10244762970148885669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48427550172958011582012-04-03T14:50:42.043+02:002012-04-03T14:50:42.043+02:00Your post demonstrates that you have little to no ...Your post demonstrates that you have little to no experience of piracy in low-sec. I cannot speak for all pirates but for can for myself as a pirate.<br /><br />Piracy is usually a quick and bloody affair. One does not catch and point a target, then conduct negotiations. The target if we assume it isn't a noob will be fighting for his life while you are sitting there waiting for them to respond to your convo...<br /><br />Couple your convo suggestion with the fact that 60% of people reject a convo in a combat situation, and of the remaining 40%, 75% will tell you to F*** off or not speak your language.<br /><br />We do already encourage people to eject from their hulls in some cases and let them go in their Pods. Where a Pod is caught by a member of our Corp, which is in most situations in low-sec avoidable and a ransom agreed it is honoured 100% of the time. No exceptions.<br /><br />Pirates are not going to start paying people for the privelige of taking their ship.<br /><br />The thrill of combat and adrenaline drives many a pirate, simply catching a ship will not do, we want to see explosions and to test our skills and piloting ability against worthy adversaries.A former gamer coming out of retirementhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218194017343466150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36264999370325200302012-04-03T14:14:52.017+02:002012-04-03T14:14:52.017+02:00Interesting, but even if i, personally, wanna do t...Interesting, but even if i, personally, wanna do this, will do it on 1 bil+ ship value (hull and mods and rigs), which comes down to faction BS, capitals and SCaps.<br /><br />However, i prefer the short way : destroy the mofo, loot and salvage him.<br />Why would i wanna do this?<br />1.I get a KM, raising my "fame";<br />2.I blow up the ship fast (not going to waste time necogiating a deal that might even not be possible, ending up with blowing up the guy anyway, but in longer time);<br />3.I get loot and salvage;<br />4.I will talk to the guy after, promising him i will NOT blow up his ships in the future if i caught him again, asking for a "tax" of 30% of any other future ship he uses to go thru my systems, or at least 10 mil (he might use a crap 3 mil cruiser - a tax of 1 mil ISK is laughable).Bozzornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1574899107202851212012-04-03T13:22:35.868+02:002012-04-03T13:22:35.868+02:00The most profitable way with ransoms is indeed ran...The most profitable way with ransoms is indeed ransom and kill your target.<br /><br />But you also have to do some social engineering amongst your fellow pirates: convince them that the best way to ransom is to honor those ransoms. If you succeed you have a universe full of honorable pirates, that honor ransoms. Victims that pay the ransoms because the chance of getting it honored is high.<br /><br />And you: the guy that laughs and gets max profit by not honoring ransoms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42392163930262015262012-04-03T11:20:25.770+02:002012-04-03T11:20:25.770+02:00Sadly, a point is out.
EVE's economy relies on...Sadly, a point is out.<br />EVE's economy relies on four pillars:<br />- Gathering.<br />- Producing.<br />- Trading.<br />- DESTROYING.<br /><br />Even if the interested parties gain something out of it, the economy as a whole may get worse.<br />piracy would get better, though.<br /><br />Also, pirates rarely bother with flying the target's ship, unless it's worth something.AureoBrokernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55715202362433778252012-04-03T11:06:50.956+02:002012-04-03T11:06:50.956+02:00I wish there are more pirates in high sec. I wish ...I wish there are more pirates in high sec. I wish that noone transporting more than 100 mil is safe. This will undoubtedly filter all the idiots very fast and the game will become funnier - more wardecs on pirate corps, ship escort etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-62190707510728126252012-04-03T10:06:57.872+02:002012-04-03T10:06:57.872+02:00Interesting theory, but a bit resource intensive t...Interesting theory, but a bit resource intensive to learn flying all those ship types that may or may not be worth it.<br /><br />If they play for time long enough, you can easily become the one ransomed because the "buddies" drop on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63242805283852660922012-04-03T10:00:46.999+02:002012-04-03T10:00:46.999+02:00Don't be stupid please! You get yourself podde...<i>Don't be stupid please! You get yourself podded to protect 400K other players you don't even know.</i><br /><br />No, not for people I don't know. <b>For me</b>. Because now, suddenly, there are <i>more pirates</i> due to pirating becoming more profitable. You already stated that piracy wasn't that profitable before, and surely that is a contributing factor to a lower-state of piracy overall.<br /><br />Besides, the ideal game theory state requires the threat of running into those same pirates again later. If I never do, passing up the option of taking their ISK and forcing them to blow me up anyway would be stupid.<br /><br />Finally, I don't know if you meant it to be ironic, but given that pirates serve no purpose in the EVE world other than to "spread the wealth around," you are advocating rent-seeking behavior.Azurielhttp://inanage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46402110052793546472012-04-03T09:59:39.372+02:002012-04-03T09:59:39.372+02:00@Vincent: his buddy kill the target, the original ...@Vincent: his buddy kill the target, the original pirate has no kill mail so he gets the ransom and the the kill.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86886677613608691692012-04-03T09:18:23.072+02:002012-04-03T09:18:23.072+02:00The best outcome: Start a piracy escrow corp. Here...The best outcome: Start a piracy escrow corp. Here is how it works:<br /><br />Pirate ransoms target. Target pays ransom to escrow corp. Pirate submits limited api key to escrow corp so they can see their killmails. Corp checks no killmails for target, pays pirate and takes 10%.<br /><br />In fact, I think I'll set that up.VIncent Trevanehttp://fulldisclosu.renoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87049488523778207542012-04-03T09:01:22.007+02:002012-04-03T09:01:22.007+02:00Ok so you have maximum insurance of your hull, you...Ok so you have maximum insurance of your hull, you get offered x amount of money which will cover a bit of your modules, and the whole time this has been going on you have been looking for escape routes.<br /><br />Alternatively the group of thrashers blow up the pray without any questions and bring in their salvager alt.Dangphathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00767725815265858008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11902743547292811432012-04-03T08:43:36.645+02:002012-04-03T08:43:36.645+02:00This is quite an interesting idea. I remember the ...This is quite an interesting idea. I remember the times in the past when there were more respectable pirates who would as a group respect ransoms for the greater good. I didn't get involved, but it was comforting to know.Celery Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26310110747972176132012-04-03T07:52:37.541+02:002012-04-03T07:52:37.541+02:00Don't be stupid please! You get yourself podde...Don't be stupid please! You get yourself podded to protect 400K other players you don't even know.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16669850799873830762012-04-03T07:33:33.453+02:002012-04-03T07:33:33.453+02:00I'd take the pirate's ISK, make them use a...I'd take the pirate's ISK, make them use ammo to destroy the ship, and let them pod me for the security downgrade (assuming I couldn't get away in the pod).<br /><br />Your "solution" makes piracy more profitable, which will inevitably lead to the "smart target" getting tackled more often in the future. It is only win-win for nihilists.Azurielhttp://inanage.comnoreply@blogger.com