tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post8240643217503423156..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The expected FW-LP disasterGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29374770486475376542012-06-26T12:27:44.473+02:002012-06-26T12:27:44.473+02:00@spinksville
To me personally, I consider using EV...@spinksville<br />To me personally, I consider using EVE systems to do a delibearte end-run around intended functionality to be an exploit. So, for example, while its possible to duck CONCORD retaliation, its against the rules and therefore an exploit even though the code allows it. Similarly, if pressing SHIFT+q+F1 caused that weapon to do 10x damage for no reason that would be an exploit.<br /><br />CONCORD will destroy someone who attacks in highsec without kill rights. This could be read to mean that CCP doesn't want any such attacks. That's not the case, though.<br /><br />Its possible to buy or build a ship for cheap enough to insure it, self destruct and profit. CCP may or may not intend this to provide a guaranteed minimum income to industrialists. Since the rules haven't changed, its presumable that this is the case.<br /><br />On the other side, the Goons tried to start a forever war with a blogger and found a lot of people piling on to oppose them. It was never intended that declaring war on a one man corp would (theoretically) allow the entire player base to have kill rights on your corp.<br /><br />Similarly, tying LP awards to the average value of a module destroyed was not intended to allow market manipulators to print ISK.<br /><br />In both cases and possibly in the case of insurance, the rules were set but the consequences weren't considered (in both cases despite warnings from players). <br /><br />As a player, its not my job to read CCP's mind and determine what they meant to be an acceptable outcome. Its their job, if they find it abusive, to put a stop to it through code, announcements and rollbacks.Agent Black Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09047514540388217694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33421237620666933362012-06-26T11:05:43.524+02:002012-06-26T11:05:43.524+02:00I was hoping more people would comment on this one...I was hoping more people would comment on this one, because I'm curious how many EVE players see this as cheating.<br /><br />To my non-EVE playing view, logging on multiple accounts so as to quietly kill trade with your own alts looks like a clear cheat/ exploit and I assume CCP agree since they did a rollback.<br /><br />So why aren't players crawling out of the woodwork to criticise the cheaters and agree with you, even if the suggestions may not be practical? Is finding exploits seen differently in EVE?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-62571385763596666872012-06-25T14:44:23.373+02:002012-06-25T14:44:23.373+02:00I don't know about a lot of your comments, but...I don't know about a lot of your comments, but I think I can address some of the ones about botting.<br /><br />1) As far as I am aware, except for one person caught botting in a super carrier, supercaps are not used for botting. The preferred ships for mission botting, at least by the pros, are Caldari Navy Ravens and increasingly Tengus. The reason for the titan tracking nerf was to try to make titans dependent on support fleets. If you do see a super cap botting, all you have to do is call Pandemic Legion and they will be happy to award that pilot with a Darwin award. Actually, just about anyone will help just to get on a super cap kill report.<br /><br />2) Ore spawns, except maybe if an alliance has made an improvement in null sec, only respawn at downtime. And for some minerals in null sec I hear it isn't even every day, but I could be misinformed about that. That is why bots are so bad for miners; in the old days the bots would strip all of high sec of ore before people could get home from work or those in the U.S. could log on. Also, if an asteroid is not mined during a day, it gets bigger after downtime. I've heard of some really large asteroids in null sec.<br /><br />3) The fact that botters use the mission system isn't considered the exploit. The exploit is using an automated means of playing the game.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53271899222628458582012-06-25T13:52:17.098+02:002012-06-25T13:52:17.098+02:00I'm afraid CCP is way behind the curveball.
Y...I'm afraid CCP is way behind the curveball.<br /><br />Yes, they make basic design mistakes that reveal inexperience even with contemporary MMOs, let alone the history of MMOs.<br /><br />Yet, they are running the last triple A sandbox-ish MMO.<br /><br />The wild frontier of the 90's spawned dozens of very successful sandbox MUDs, followed by Ultima Online. It was a golden age of creativity.<br /><br />Then WoW happened, big money entered the MMO market, and the great stagnation began. The natural evolution of the sandbox was cut. As a result, today's sandbox design attempts are naive, often showing lack of basic understanding of cause and consequence.<br /><br />The concept you outline is a great foundation for a successful sandbox. However, there is no way CCP will implement any of your ideas. They are struggling with the most basic of improvements, despite stepping up effort since monoclegate.<br /><br />Any changes in mining, missions, and belts are a guaranteed no-go. Any changes in sleeper spawns are 2-year time tag.<br /><br />Changes in FW, considering all the outrage, might happen, but even here something as basic as making PvP viable or fixing the goon loophole will come about at glacial pace. Nevermind how easy those fixes are. It took them months to admit Minmatar ewar is not on par with the rest...anything a tiny bit more arcane won't be fixed before Winter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com