tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post7730274909936409648..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Great news everyone!Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18839164069738528452010-06-08T15:53:17.486+02:002010-06-08T15:53:17.486+02:00LFM NAXX MUST HAZ 5.5K GS :)
Just kidding. Big co...LFM NAXX MUST HAZ 5.5K GS :)<br /><br />Just kidding. Big congratulations for your (slightly) insane accomplishments!<br /><br />You're pulling off what other guilds struggle with in epic gear. I admit, I haven't read all the posts or the rest of the blog, just came here from tankspot, but I'd *really* love it if you could perhaps post tips, strats, etc.<br /><br />Why? Because you all obviously know your stuff to an extent that many others don't come close to. Any tips would more than likely be extremely helpful to the "less blessed" :) (And I could shut some of my lesser 'friends' up that just keep QQing)<br /><br />Good luck on the rest of ICC, even if you may have to wait for the next round of buffs.<br /><br /> /salute!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924777908937415324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63439806546868576672010-06-06T00:34:35.486+02:002010-06-06T00:34:35.486+02:00Good god to all the retarded people posting here. ...Good god to all the retarded people posting here. Get some skills and stop your fucking whining because you cant clear ICC25 normal with the current 20 % buff. GOOD GOD to whine about ardent defender procs and whatnot, it's not like any other normal guild with full icc gear would use a paladin tank and proc ardent defender? How retarded can you be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54181587625999163132010-06-02T00:43:44.400+02:002010-06-02T00:43:44.400+02:00"Algalon or Yogg+0 would be ideal choices bec..."Algalon or Yogg+0 would be ideal choices because very few people ever did them, so there's still room for people to be impressed with the accomplishment."<br />There is absolutely no (as in zero, nada, zilch) way to do either of those hard modes in blue gear.<br />Normal modes are one thing, some Hard modes are really *hard mode* and those two fall in that category. Yogg 0 has a very high DPS requirement and Algalon is a tank check much more drastic than anything else... And no 20% buff there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04597092938693668421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72846019951381574302010-06-02T00:26:57.740+02:002010-06-02T00:26:57.740+02:00Clearly, what Mahonnant is really upset about is t...Clearly, what Mahonnant is really upset about is that there's not a website of this blog's popularity that is regularly extolling how Awesomesauce his Awesomesauce guild is. <br /><br />To many of the Anons: The buff is irrelevant, because everyone has it. They never said that they were proving they could clear ICC with no buff; they said that those who are making excuses for raid failures have no reason to do so, other than lack of skill. Those excuses are being made right now, even with the 20% buff. PUG leaders are requiring high GS right now, even though this project is proving that a high GS isn't necessary.<br /><br />The project is supposed to be showing that M&S folks have no excuses for unsuccessful raiding, but it seems it's also exposing how many of the HC raiding community can't read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44404846679890517762010-06-01T23:14:47.179+02:002010-06-01T23:14:47.179+02:00Haters gonna hate. :)
Grats!Haters gonna hate. :)<br /><br />Grats!Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05947207527465351649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70806795364330707772010-06-01T18:42:25.257+02:002010-06-01T18:42:25.257+02:00Nice to see your project still going gevlon, Gl wi...Nice to see your project still going gevlon, Gl with that in the future.<br /><br />But...<br /><br />a) Saurfang is still the 1st wing that has been pugged since pretty much day one by people maybe not in blue gear but with similiar dps and healing xD.<br /><br />b) Rotface has been proven to be "soloable" or "solo-tank-able without any healer what so ever", DK in mostly 264 gear can "solo" rotface all the way to his enrage making him pretty much the biggest joke of a boss ever. Then you need to kite well and you are pretty much done.<br /><br />Still, grats and looking forward to Festergut, now that will be something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57918013339933001102010-06-01T18:15:48.853+02:002010-06-01T18:15:48.853+02:00@ ardoRic @ Anon (0:59, me)
I know very well what...@ ardoRic @ Anon (0:59, me)<br /><br />I know very well what the target of the Undergeared project is, I've been following it (off and on) since the beginning. I'd love for it to succeed, change people's perceptions, and have a lot more people raiding and beating normal mode content. Maybe then we'd even see more heroic mode only challenges, like Algalon, for those of us that like hard modes.<br /><br />My point is that with what you're doing now you're unlikely to ever reach your stated audience. There's simply too much room for people, when confronted with what you've done, to say something like 'Oh my friend did that five months ago without perfect gear, doing it with the buff must be even easier'. Basically you're setting as your goal something that almost all raiders have done already, most of them long ago. If you really want to get people to pay attention to you it would probably be much more effective to set your sites on some older hard modes first. Algalon or Yogg+0 would be ideal choices because very few people ever did them, so there's still room for people to be impressed with the accomplishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-606877070762015852010-06-01T17:22:16.864+02:002010-06-01T17:22:16.864+02:00To answer to my contradictors :
@MetaManu : what I...To answer to my contradictors :<br />@MetaManu : what I said is "you have just duplicated what every guild in ToC 10 gear did when ICC got out". It's the comparison that interested me : a ToC10 geared roster is mostly equivalent to a blue-geared roster with 20% buff. OK I skipped the part where a ToC10 roster would have had access only to the first wing at first.<br /><br />What I don't like (and it's not the first time with Gevlon's blogs) is the blatant intellectual dishonesty of saying "we raid in blue gear and pwn all those guilds out there". Please do that without the buff and I will hail you...<br /><br />Any semi-competent raider knows that normal mode ICC was crap until maybe Lanathel but that's pure DPS check, Putricide was the first real skill check, Sindra / LK being on another level altogether. You are raiding content that is months old and patting yourself on the back because you do it "in blue gear", conveniently not mentionning the slight matter of a 20% buff that puts you almost on par with any PUG that begins ICC.<br /><br />@MateoG : yes we did indeed faceroll normal ICC (except for Putri, Sindra and LK, those required a bit more work). A lot of guilds did that, quite frankly until LK nothing came close to challenging us beyond one (maybe two for Putri/Sindra) night(s) of attempts... And my guild is not even what I would describe as good, we are a regular run of the mill raiding guild (10/12 HM)... The good ones are the ones that did every HM the first week they opened, that we could not have done and those guys need every upgrade they can put their hand on...<br /><br />What the Undergeared project has achieved is just remind every one that it could be done, which I had no doubt about to begin with... What I have problems with is the constant boasting about it and the superiority complex that every post here convey...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04597092938693668421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71347173054082678212010-06-01T17:01:29.901+02:002010-06-01T17:01:29.901+02:00@Those who complain about the buff making blue gea...@Those who complain about the buff making blue gear as good as TOC25 gear.<br /><br />That is not true, not one bit. Long ago during the first few months of WotLK, my mage did 4 to 5k dps on naxx 10 gear. It means that even with the 20% damage buff, blue gear can't even compare to naxx 10 gear, let alone TOC25 gear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82562437169517957992010-06-01T16:07:49.373+02:002010-06-01T16:07:49.373+02:00I'm curious... why would you need an ooze kiti...I'm curious... why would you need an ooze kiting spec to begin with? Why not stick with your standard spec and have the holy paladin throw on righteous fury and kite the oozes. <br /><br />That will let you keep extra dps on the boss and you have the paladin taking care of the cleansing. <br /><br />Additionally you could have your tank kite the ooze and tank rotface... which is how we like to do the heroic mode on 10. <br /><br />I suppose it ultimately doesn't make a difference but if the goal is to put more dps into rotface those 2 options seem to be the way to go. Either way having the hunter kite the ooze probably would have been a higher dps increase since he doesn't suffer as much from moving being able to stutter step auto shots in. I suppose you like to take the more challenging jobs for yourself which I respect.What's my main again?http://whatsmymain.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22228423986777108262010-06-01T12:00:29.956+02:002010-06-01T12:00:29.956+02:00@ the anonymous guy who said : The reason I'm ...@ the anonymous guy who said : <i>The reason I'm still a nay-sayer is because I seriously doubt that downing the content on normal mode will get many people to change their minds.</i><br /><br />It should at least be a mind-changer for all morons who think GearScore is a relevant indicator of people's ability/merit to participate in a raid/instance/you-name-it... and there are many such morons out there.French guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-37538604819083675512010-06-01T10:59:29.803+02:002010-06-01T10:59:29.803+02:00@ Azzur
The project is not aimed at the people wh...@ Azzur<br /><br />The project is not aimed at the people who can down the LK and would say "I'm sure I can also do it in blues".<br /><br />The project is aimed at the people who say "I can't down the LK because my gear is not enough", and more importantly, to those who believe in this bullcrap.ardoRichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11034320697611212733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25438043430855819152010-06-01T10:56:28.514+02:002010-06-01T10:56:28.514+02:00@ Anon (0:59)
I made a post on MMO-Champion (rath...@ Anon (0:59)<br /><br />I made a post on MMO-Champion (rather long) about the "hardmode" and "don't use buff" issue [1].<br /><br />In short, it has to do with who is the target of the project. In long, read <a href="http://www.mmo-champion.com/raids-dungeons/blue-fire-vs-blue-gear/msg2931610/#msg2931610" rel="nofollow">it</a>.<br /><br />[1] http://www.mmo-champion.com/raids-dungeons/blue-fire-vs-blue-gear/msg2931610/#msg2931610ardoRichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11034320697611212733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55008241890617713612010-06-01T07:56:10.056+02:002010-06-01T07:56:10.056+02:00@ Anonymous who wrote at 23:01.
I actually have n...@ Anonymous who wrote at 23:01.<br /><br />I actually have no clue what that addon is or how the hell it knows where Koltas is running oO. It's most likely DBM since that is my only raid boss addon.Maladroitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-50620308061384764142010-06-01T06:09:16.807+02:002010-06-01T06:09:16.807+02:00@00:59 Anon: So the project will be proven if they...@00:59 Anon: So the project will be proven if they down Ruby Sanct in the first one or two weeks?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91249160038848889112010-06-01T05:56:32.189+02:002010-06-01T05:56:32.189+02:00The reason I'm still a nay-sayer is because I ...<i>The reason I'm still a nay-sayer is because I seriously doubt that downing the content on normal mode will get many people to change their minds.</i><br /><br />This post is similar to my thinking as well. The difference between this project to Gevlon's blue-Ulduar is that when blue-Ulduar was completed, not many "casuals" had completed Ulduar. With the ICC buff increasing steadily, there will be more and more casuals killing LK. Then, they will just say, "I'm sure I can do it (clear using blues) as well, it's just I don't have the time or inclination".<br /><br />For the Undergeared to have been successful, the content needed to be downed when the majority of people have not.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381576369055180683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24299064989935621322010-06-01T03:09:35.871+02:002010-06-01T03:09:35.871+02:00Keep on proving the naysayers wrong! They're n...Keep on proving the naysayers wrong! They're naysayers because of the simple fact that they have no skill. They think that gear score matters. For the longest time, my hunter has been around 20-30 ranked in gear score in my guild, and I am constantly in the top 3 in dps. If you know how to play, research your class, research the fights and practice, you will have success. These naysayers think you need to have 6k gearscore on every encounter so they can just "faceroll" it then complain later how easy the content is.<br /><br />Go Undergeared!Charliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00880137419160438206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8531878771140084782010-06-01T00:59:01.062+02:002010-06-01T00:59:01.062+02:00congratulations on the kills, again, but I'm s...congratulations on the kills, again, but I'm still a nay-sayer. I'm not saying you won't beat the Lich King. In fact, as I've said before, I'm almost sure of it. It's not really a hard fight statistically, just in terms of execution. I also don't really see any of the other bosses stopping you short of the Lich King. I've never understood why some people say it's impossible. Honestly, people doing it in 245 gear without the buff might actually have been doing less DPS and had their tanks take more damage than you are now, and it got done.<br /><br />The reason I'm still a nay-sayer is because I seriously doubt that downing the content on normal mode will get many people to change their minds. If you were just doing the project to beat content in blues for your own satisfaction I'd be 100% behind you, and as I've said I'm sure you'd win. However hardly any people will pay attention to a group doing ten man content five or six months after it was relevant no matter what gear they're using. How much clamor did any of you hear when a rogue solo'd a 25 man boss? Not much, a single post on MMO Champion as far as I've seen. You'll probably get more or less the same, some accolades and a handful of people wanting to know how you did it, most likely.<br /><br />The reason for this is that most people have already done it on normal. If you'd done it back when few people had you might have a lot of attention right now, but it's too late for that. Casual players never pay attention to special runs unless it's content they can't do themselves. Everyone who's not a complete idiot knows that there are people who are better than them, so seeing a group do content they've already done with a few conditions tacked on doesn't mean much to them no matter how harsh the conditions are.<br /><br />If you really want to make a splash you're pretty much going to have to do hard modes. Not necessarily ICC hard modes, heroic ToGC, Yogg+0 or Algalon would all work too. Until then you're basically just doing this for your own satisfaction, although there's nothing really wrong with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7709868526156917252010-05-31T23:34:04.243+02:002010-05-31T23:34:04.243+02:00I like the corilation between the further the unde...I like the corilation between the further the undergeared project progress the volume from the M&S qq'ers increases.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26230745798933269152010-05-31T23:19:21.402+02:002010-05-31T23:19:21.402+02:00I've been following Undergeared since you star...I've been following Undergeared since you started writing about it in your blog. I have no doubts whatsoever you can do this. Everyone else leaves imagination to numbers and statistics leaving little or no wiggle room for creativity and planning. I know undergeared will down Lich King, the only thing that saddens me is that i wont be part of the run that does it because i play on American servers and rather keep it that way for now. I have no doubt you guys can do it. I know youre not doing this prject to inspire others but simply as a way to show the M&S how redundant their forms of prejudice can be but this blog has inspired me to do things of the like in our server. So keep up the awesome strategies and planning. I know it'll be difficult from this point on but no more difficult than it already has been =] I wish you good luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66861278989940385092010-05-31T23:01:57.307+02:002010-05-31T23:01:57.307+02:00Good job killing Saurfang and Festergut, I inked i...Good job killing Saurfang and Festergut, I inked it in our guildforum :-)<br /><br />Question: what's the name of the addon that points an arrow to Koltas the mighty ooze tank? Can it point to any entity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14184647907056716002010-05-31T22:14:57.741+02:002010-05-31T22:14:57.741+02:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIyVPnemNOU
here i...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIyVPnemNOU<br /><br />here it is... the Festergut try.ardoRichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11034320697611212733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45007617711723230402010-05-31T21:42:11.631+02:002010-05-31T21:42:11.631+02:00@ one of the earlier anons. Paladins unless using ...@ one of the earlier anons. Paladins unless using some form of raid stacking will never do more single target hps than a shaman in top level gear. Those top hps meters on WoL and such from paladins show just how much they take advantage of the system or stack unnecessary healing if you actually look at the meter closely. The biggest reason a shaman will never beat a paladin for any other fight than dreamwalker as a 'tank' healer is because of BoL and mana issues.<br /><br />Now if this applies to just blue quality gear before a shaman can really start stacking haste I'm not sure. Though I would be interested in the numbers.Kazzelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69221567655105771462010-05-31T19:11:47.812+02:002010-05-31T19:11:47.812+02:00@Mahonnant
Going strictly by ilevel, the differen...@Mahonnant<br /><br />Going strictly by ilevel, the difference is 16%, though the actual stat differential is much greater.<br /><br />For a comparison let's use the Stoneskin Chestplate from TotC10 and the Sun-Emblazened Chestplate which drops from Heroic HoS. Presently, the current rage is for tanks to gem for stamina, which the 232 gear provides a 44% more stamina pre-buff add BoK and the ICC buff and the difference is even greater. <br /><br />I might also add that at this point, the average tank raiding ICC would have probably geared beyond i232 and would quite likely in possession of the an i245 piece or the Frost emblem chestpiece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28624414354905934312010-05-31T19:04:09.910+02:002010-05-31T19:04:09.910+02:00For those interested, I'm also uploading the f...For those interested, I'm also uploading the fraps from our Festergut try, so people can see how exactly it went. It will probably be up tonight on Youtube.Maladroitenoreply@blogger.com