tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post7564076125649932983..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: You just pay Marmite for doing what they're doing anyway!Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75437340231386897572014-01-22T04:51:14.573+01:002014-01-22T04:51:14.573+01:00While we are at it, war-dec their out of alliance ...While we are at it, war-dec their out of alliance freighter corp... I know padded helmet is one of them. Ask to your contact in N3, it should be pretty easy intel to get and you will start to get a lot of attention...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23052771975321138482014-01-21T20:29:46.771+01:002014-01-21T20:29:46.771+01:00I applaud you Gelvon... No matter the outcome of y...I applaud you Gelvon... No matter the outcome of your endeavor against Goons, the longstanding baddies of Eve, you're building up and strengthening the idea to fight against large oppressing entities. You're strengthening a stand, inspiring others to take up arms and at the very least, creating content to this game. <br /> One man finding a way to influence others to fight against an Evil Coalition. Remember it's the Idea that survives and grows... Not just the man or rebellion. Much like creating an Idea of a Marketing campaign... If you can get an idea to stick with the multitudes, then you will see more growth and success in this goal. <br /> It's a shame that you can't give LP Rewards for each Goon kill... After all they are pretty much an Empire.<br /> Again, good job! Keep pushing the fight! Oh and no matter who says what... The fact that Goons are discussing you/Lemmings/Marmite, means that they are affected and concerned. Afraid of the growing idea to build All of Eve vs Goons! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25774539429808578162014-01-21T19:49:07.081+01:002014-01-21T19:49:07.081+01:00So how are you claiming anything to win?
You cant...So how are you claiming anything to win?<br /><br />You cant measure something which is not responding you.<br /><br />The goons dont play "high-sec game" they play "sov and null" so unless you do any damage which would make them loose their actual assets and not their dumb members assets, I really can't see how your propaganda is different from goons propaganda, which you are so eagerly against.Siimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16691380548206222328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34364322508658684072014-01-21T19:34:22.400+01:002014-01-21T19:34:22.400+01:00" So he's just paying for them to make pr..." So he's just paying for them to make profit under a different name, so who cares?"<br /><br />and "n3/pl only are winning because CFC is self-admittedly bad at EVE", and "CFC only ever wins because they blob and diplomacy", and "ganking doesn't count because the targets don't have gunzzz".<br /><br />I'm well aware that people always discount any result by listing the reasons for it; as every result has reasons, this is always possible to do. So who cares? Well you, because you have a strange obsession with making massive numbers of posts replying to Gevlon wherever he pops up, so if anyone cares, it's you.Rammsteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81791474380561121612014-01-21T18:40:52.808+01:002014-01-21T18:40:52.808+01:00No point reinforcing while RvB is around. First th...No point reinforcing while RvB is around. First thing first: grow and beat RvB. If I yell at people to go shoot POCOs with zero chance to win, Lemmings won't grow (nor take POCOs)Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11613281918914236252014-01-21T18:23:28.267+01:002014-01-21T18:23:28.267+01:00How many poco's have been sent into reinforced...How many poco's have been sent into reinforced mode by Lemmings?Babarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64330773611912284422014-01-21T17:58:20.530+01:002014-01-21T17:58:20.530+01:00You're right that first the RvB problem need t...You're right that first the RvB problem need to be solved and it's indeed a diplomatic one: we need to prove N3 that RvB is openly a Goon pet. If N3 alts are banned from RvB, they either reconsider their Goon alliance, or simply lose too many people to remain relevant.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83265877827185422462014-01-21T17:22:32.936+01:002014-01-21T17:22:32.936+01:00So the project to rouse the slumbering forces of h...So the project to rouse the slumbering forces of highsec bears to open a second front against goonswarm in highsec is basically on hold after it proved incapable of overwhelming the diplomatic arrangements goonswarm had in place? I feel as though a bait and switch has taken place here, that you speak a lot of the Marmite project and not at all of the Lemmings project in the hope that we do not notice that the Lemmings project is not achieving the desired results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61572985736410397252014-01-21T16:55:49.217+01:002014-01-21T16:55:49.217+01:00Goons can't be forced to defend their POCOs, a...Goons can't be forced to defend their POCOs, as their RvB pets do it for them. So some adjustments need to be done. But of course the long term goal is POCOs.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33627769253082111852014-01-21T16:28:46.120+01:002014-01-21T16:28:46.120+01:00I'm confused. Is your goal still to force goon...I'm confused. Is your goal still to force goons to defend pocos in highsec by rousing the forces of highsec to attack their pocos or is it just to pay Marmite to camp Jita? Not that Marmite aren't good at what they do, but what they do isn't what you initially set out to do. These are two separate projects. How is the highsec vs goon pocos one going?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30420028218147413862014-01-21T15:52:14.704+01:002014-01-21T15:52:14.704+01:00Are they really that stupid .. undocking from jita...Are they really that stupid .. undocking from jita4-4 within none-npc-corp chars. Are you nullsec goons that poor not to use Red-/blue-/black-frog?<br />ohh man I love it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15612747806860876142014-01-21T15:33:01.175+01:002014-01-21T15:33:01.175+01:00This is really funny. So basically if you kill a g...This is really funny. So basically if you kill a goon ship it doesn't really count because they shouldn't have been blown up and RvB has nothing to do with the goons expect defending the goons interests. Yeah....ok...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52852190237653741212014-01-21T14:10:02.557+01:002014-01-21T14:10:02.557+01:00Re RvB being pets: As you pointed out Gevlon, duri...Re RvB being pets: As you pointed out Gevlon, during HED , instead of rushing to the goons defense, RvB and friends formed a 500 ship fleet, including a few dozen capitals, and did the Ganked roam instead. We had our own fun. <br /><br />Once that was over, the remnants of the fleet rushed to HED... To shoot at CFC domis. <br /><br />RvB and the goons have a pact for POCOs, that is all.<br /><br />LRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14143089647545702182014-01-21T13:36:26.800+01:002014-01-21T13:36:26.800+01:00@Ephemeron: quite true, this damage won't dest...@Ephemeron: quite true, this damage won't destroy Goonswarm. But from one person, it's not bad. Remember, I'm just one guy, it's unreasonable to expect me to destroy GSF all by myself.<br /><br />@Lucas: it's true that the damage won't go to the Goon alliance coffer. It goes to dumb Goons who fly in highsec under wardec. However it's a safe assumption that they are the more casual Goons (hardcore Goons aren't that stupid). <br /><br />If they are casual, they are likely to earn ISK by some low wage job like ratting, missioning or mining. If they would be running an 8-account PI farm, they would probably have a highsec hauler alt. So that 300B damage translates into 6-10000 hours of active farming.<br /><br />As they are casual, their in-game time is limited. They can't just play more at will, otherwise they had learned the game enough to not fly in highsec wardecced. So they either fly 6-10000 hours less in bombless bombers or get their first Naglfar 6-10000 hours later. And that hurts Goonswarm.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43087544176520515502014-01-21T13:03:33.117+01:002014-01-21T13:03:33.117+01:00If the war had been on all year, Goons would have ...<i>If the war had been on all year, Goons would have suffered (365-141)*1.36 = 304B more damage.</i><br /><br />When you wrote about income from GSF moons and market schemes, you repeatedly made a point of dividing the amount by the number of people in GSF in order to prove just how insignificant it was.<br /><br />However, ISK is ISK, whether it's incoming or outgoing. Therefore, it would be reasonable to apply the same logic to losses as well. <br /><br />If we divide the projected damage by the current headcount of GSF (11927 members), we'll see that Marmite's permanent war will cost each member just under 25.5M. Per year. Ephemeronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16403198085556121203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91382028615277376442014-01-21T12:33:49.261+01:002014-01-21T12:33:49.261+01:00@Rammstein
"the fact that they're still r...@Rammstein<br />"the fact that they're still ripping goons a new one"<br />See that's the problem right their, that "fact". In essence all that's been done is some of Marmites kills have been moved to a new alliance name. They still just camp the Jita undock (and buff their KB with 0 damage shots on disconnected dreads in HED).<br /><br />So when Gevlon says "goons are taking X damage", what he really should be saying is that the individuals that can't follow the simple rule of not flying an in alliance character in high sec are getting damaged. Since they won't be covered by SRP, and it's up to them to sort themselves out, there is no actual damage to the alliance. So the idea that camping the Jita undock is defeating the "goon menace" is laughable. At the end of the day, Marmite, and the other high sec wardec corps do what they do for profit. Stupid people flying around high sec with an active wardec dropping loot for them. So he's just paying for them to make profit under a different name, so who cares?<br /><br />And the fact that people are posting in a thread filled with nonsense doesn't suddenly make it mean something more. Once again, it's just Gevlon's simplistic and incorrect interpretation of the scenario.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29622224108338279032014-01-21T09:27:43.976+01:002014-01-21T09:27:43.976+01:00"The age of an alliance says nothing about th..."The age of an alliance says nothing about the players in it, or their abilities in high sec. In null it says they havent had time to claim much sov, but apart from that, it still says nothing."<br /><br />Actually, it says that they haven't had time to establish logistics chains, or time to get accustomed to flying with each other, develop strategies, etc. (obviously individual corps could have pre-existing logistics and strategies, but it would take time to integrate them on an alliance level) This is extremely obvious and basic stuff that you have missed here, but as you point out, this doesn't mean that you are necessarily a newbie. You might just be bad.<br /><br />"If all the null alliance leaders joined a new alliance, would they be newbies in a 1 day old alliance?"<br /><br />What if all the null alliance leaders join forces to proclaim that an alliance is filled with useless newbies? Would you then admit that Gevlon had a point in referring to the alliance as being open to and incorporating some newbies, while laughing at the fact that they're still ripping goons a new one? Apparently not, because that's the actual situation here.Rammsteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43439545951139956232014-01-21T09:07:35.263+01:002014-01-21T09:07:35.263+01:00@first anonymous: you made me laugh.
A pet is any...@first anonymous: you made me laugh. <br />A pet is any entity that is politically controlled by another entity. If goons make decisions for you, if they impose the agenda on you, you are a goon pet. Nothing to do with if you pay your rent in isk Or if you pay in workpower Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10353261149804366152014-01-21T08:13:57.520+01:002014-01-21T08:13:57.520+01:00" ordering them to defend their POCOs agains ..." ordering them to defend their POCOs agains a 1 week old alliance"<br /><br />You are acting as if a 1 week old alliance = 1 week old players.<br /><br />If this was the case, you would have a point.<br />The age of an alliance says nothing about the players in it, or their abilities in high sec. In null it says they havent had time to claim much sov, but apart from that, it still says nothing.<br /><br />If all the null alliance leaders joined a new alliance, would they be newbies in a 1 day old alliance?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30454917881054857192014-01-21T06:57:51.639+01:002014-01-21T06:57:51.639+01:00anonymous claimed: "I don't know how man...anonymous claimed: "I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, but first - the RENTERS are pets. Allies are never pets in eve. That isn't how it works."<br /><br />"The term 'pet' alliance should not be confused with the renter"--EVE wiki--https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Pet<br /><br />You're wrong.<br /><br />"the rest of your post is mindless dribble"<br /><br />Right back at you.<br /><br />"You are, objectively, paying Marmite to do what they were already doing. Marmite have basically scammed you."<br /><br />Tom Brady used to play football for free. Lady Gaga used to play music for free. Jesus Christ, the world is full of scammers, everyone's getting paid for something they used to do for free!Rammsteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5735192349533500192014-01-21T06:28:27.100+01:002014-01-21T06:28:27.100+01:00"The highest reward for good work is the abil..."The highest reward for good work is the ability to do better work."<br /><br />Marmites could keep Goons under wardec for half a year, now they can keep them under wardec for a full year.<br /><br />Did Marmites benefit? Sure they did. Does it mean they are scammers for benefiting? No it doesn't. The missing link here is that Marmites benefiting - and thus doing more of what they already were doing - is the whole plan to begin with.<br /><br />Also, believe it or not, "Goon directors post in my small forum thread therefore I'm winning" is consistent with the way RL politics work.<br /><br />I accept, though, that Eve politics might be different, because Eve is just a game, and therefore Eve politics are burdened with paradoxes spawned from contradictions between fun and efficiency. "We don't want to encourage what amounts to highsec terrorism, but we want to encourage it cause it's fun!"maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52240192165458341002014-01-21T04:42:38.119+01:002014-01-21T04:42:38.119+01:00They also outed RvB to be a Goon pet
I don't ...<i>They also outed RvB to be a Goon pet</i><br /><br />I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, but first - the RENTERS are pets. Allies are never pets in eve. That isn't how it works.<br /><br />Additionally, RvB have a strategic defense pact with the goons over highsec POCOs which predates your project. RvB coming to help isn't the goons ordering RvB to do anything. It is RvB making good on a pact that they agreed to before Rubicon landed. If you attacked RvB, the goons would have done the same for them. This isn't a "master/pet" relationship. This is a fairly typical diplomatic and strategic treaty.<br /><i><br />, ordering them to defend their POCOs agains a 1 week old alliance (I guess soon N3 alliances will ban their members from having alts in RvB, as they are literally defending Goon assets). </i><br /><br />I don't think you quite understand how RvB works. And I don't think you quite understand how impossible it would be for N3 to ban alts from being in RvB. Perhaps (perhaps...) if RvB was part of the CFC they might have cause. But they aren't, so they wont. Too many N3 pilots (directors included) enjoy the "instant action" pvp that RvB offers. It is "fun". If anything I wouldn't mind betting MORE N3 alts join RvB because shooting highsec shitlords is something everyone enjoys doing.<br /><br />The rest of your post is mindless dribble. Your Killboard analysis is dreadful (for a start, stop using zkillboard to do it. It is shit. Use the evekill api to get the raw kill data out and do some decent analysis).<br /><br />"Goon directors post in my small forum thread therefore I'm winning" is perhaps the most hilarious nonsense I've seen you write...and that is saying something.<br /><br />You are, objectively, paying Marmite to do what they were already doing. Marmite have basically scammed you. And you can't even see that. And that is what is hilarious.<br /><br />You think you are making a difference? you think you can rid highsec of the goon menace? You have absolutely no idea what such a thing would involve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com