tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post7317889585054053390..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: What if I did nothing about the Goon propaganda book?Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81810564664208191932015-11-14T14:01:05.487+01:002015-11-14T14:01:05.487+01:00@Gevlon: While I expect most to take the slackers...@Gevlon: While I expect most to take the slackers route and kick their feet up, I expected you to due your due diligence.Math Is Hardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48678677431790394912015-11-14T07:49:24.696+01:002015-11-14T07:49:24.696+01:00Because that possibility is so low (not theoretica...Because that possibility is so low (not theoretically zero, just "win the lottery and get struck by a lightning" low), that no one cares to explore it.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8380755299376493302015-11-14T06:47:32.598+01:002015-11-14T06:47:32.598+01:00So what happens if the book gets funded, it doesn&...So what happens if the book gets funded, it doesn't turn out to be a propaganda piece and its actually entertaining? I haven't heard anyone address that possibility and what that would mean.Math is Hardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10421974615005342422015-11-13T11:34:50.411+01:002015-11-13T11:34:50.411+01:00Yes, I'm very afraid that Jeff might post some...Yes, I'm very afraid that Jeff might post something that you just posted. So far I managed to keep them secret and no one knows about them (except you and anyone who reads TEST forums or its countless dumps or my blog), but if Jeff would write them down, it would be a disaster.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85680426098247048582015-11-13T09:57:48.503+01:002015-11-13T09:57:48.503+01:00Hey Gevlon,
I wonder if you might have a personal...Hey Gevlon,<br /><br />I wonder if you might have a personal agenda to agrue against this book, despite your grr goons project. Maybe, you are afraid that this book will release some information about you, as you were in test for the time during the fontain war, that will put you into a whole new spotlight.<br /><br />For example how you tried to buy yourself into test leadership, how you described yourself as a thinker who doesn't do much but to think, work should be done by others. Something like that? Maybe?<br /><br />I'm asking because you seem to be turbo grr since this whole book thing came up.<br />Cause, you know, I'm sure testies will be heard too when this Jeff person starts writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74193287694224294152015-11-12T23:07:33.077+01:002015-11-12T23:07:33.077+01:00I am just amazed at the arrogance and shameless se...I am just amazed at the arrogance and shameless self promotion involved in this non project. The Shittani must have the arrogance of Kanye West to think that people care this much about a slanted account of some fictional war in an online game. It is great that this project has not been funded because it would lead to a never ending parade of ridiculous internet pandhandling schemes in relation to Eve Online. The player base already has a terrible reputation and this would not help. Face it, if this book was going to be worth a shit and was going to have any sort of demand at all, CCP would fund it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61811516555024670132015-11-12T20:17:31.614+01:002015-11-12T20:17:31.614+01:00I honestly don't care if this kickstarter fail...I honestly don't care if this kickstarter fails or not, as I wouldn't buy it anyway, There is much more interesting aspects of Eve than some conflict like that.<br /><br />Also just a side note, who is Jeff Edwards? I actually had to google him lol.CraZeDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11837411536263012724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21561346030219430802015-11-12T17:08:10.648+01:002015-11-12T17:08:10.648+01:00So far I had chosen to not talk about this book pr...So far I had chosen to not talk about this book project, and will not participate in the Kickstarter campaign. This said, you are right in pointing out though that on such subject, public figures should take a public stance instead of leaving the comm field.<br /> <br />Now, if the book is written, I will judge Jeff William's work on its own merit. <br /><br />If the Kickstarter fails, it will clearly shows that The Mittani has over estimated their capacity to have their line members commit money at their whim.<br /><br />Also, when someone cliks on The Mittani web site anywhere but on a link, the site takes them to the book project. This is both a sign of how desperate to bring attention to their project they are, as well as another aspect of how the TMC leadership choses to wield their media influence, by tricking people to their kickstarter page. I hope that those that can still wield some amount of independence while working for TMC will internally bring this up and expose it as the gimmick that it is.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15273751173628043890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66066913692266659642015-11-12T17:05:23.408+01:002015-11-12T17:05:23.408+01:00Great file name for the image GevlonGreat file name for the image GevlonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36466179024136421462015-11-12T16:45:19.335+01:002015-11-12T16:45:19.335+01:00"I have a question for you gevlon. What if pe..."I have a question for you gevlon. What if people just don't care about goons and just let them live in their part of space, isolated and dying from boredom?<br /><br />Because it is exactly what is happening. People just don't care."<br /><br />I agree with this.<br />- Before reading your blog, I did not even know about the book (which, in is quite ironical btw: you may have helped TMC on this subject).<br />- My corp mates never heard about it and don't care anyway.<br />- Also, remember that EvE does not host only English sppeaking communities, far from it. So most people probably don't care at all about a book they won't be able to read (and yeah, I know that they may care of it because it could bring people in... but remember your blog title ?).<br /><br />RyanisRyanisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-50892251313703769952015-11-12T16:24:52.771+01:002015-11-12T16:24:52.771+01:00@Diana Olympos: the post you linked was posted on ...@Diana Olympos: the post you linked was posted on Nov 5. The Kickstarter was visibly dead (or at least dying) by then. Being smart AFTER the fact doesn't count. <br /><br />@Anonymous: "Say nothing and it will die of apathy" only works if they can't make noise themselves. You can kill a newbie blogger that way. But against an established site like TMC it's just giving the field to you. The FACT is that everyone in the community knows about this Kickstarter. If we don't speak, everyone will know from The Mittani.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85574352188470984992015-11-12T16:20:39.242+01:002015-11-12T16:20:39.242+01:00Well done GG.
I wish that you were responsible for...Well done GG.<br />I wish that you were responsible for the kickstarter failure, I stil have my doubts, but still, you did the right thing in my POV.<br /><br />Although it must be siad that there were several threads on reddit, where "non-CFC" members, well-known people openly criticised Mittens and commented very negatively about the whole damn project.<br /><br />It was somehow nice to see that there exist threads on reddit, where shitposting did not happen on a large scale.<br /><br />If people are interested in a book about the rise and fall of EVE empires, there's already a kickstarter out there, without promotion from CFC, CFCP (I lover this term) or any other group. That kickstarter copmpaign was pretty successful and you can pre-order the book there. The author presented a slide show at Fanfest 2015 afaik, There is a video on YT, whoever is interested will find it: search for : EVE Fanfest 2015: The Most Pivotal Decision in Nullsec History.<br /><br />Again, good job Gevlon, now, waiting for business posts... :)<br /><br />SEMPER SIC TYRANNIS!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980196122718057307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86261786123900498822015-11-12T16:08:19.272+01:002015-11-12T16:08:19.272+01:00Gevlon, did it occur to you that the rest of us we...Gevlon, did it occur to you that the rest of us were following a strategy too? The strategy is "Say nothing, and it will die of apathy without any outside help." All you're doing by writing this is providing fuel and ammo to TMDC: "Give us money or Gevlon wins."<br /><br />Now if it does succeed, that *will* be your doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29092144481786229992015-11-12T15:31:31.494+01:002015-11-12T15:31:31.494+01:00I see what you did there with the trees Gevlon! ah...I see what you did there with the trees Gevlon! ahahhahaHamlyn Medleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48419542129396555592015-11-12T14:36:20.604+01:002015-11-12T14:36:20.604+01:00One of the sad aspects of this whole thing is that...One of the sad aspects of this whole thing is that a more representative best-of-EVE book could very well be written about stuff other than the Fountain War. People erroneously think that hundreds of thousands of (ephemeral, illiquid) dollars in destroyed virtual property is the hook that'll get people reading about the politics. <br /><br />A MoA 'virtual underdog guerrillas' story is just as viable. Or the story of Provi. Or Sugar's lowsec market story. Or a searing, tell-all unauthorised bodice-ripping biography of Harry Forever. (okay, maybe not)<br /><br />Seriously, though, if someone wrote up the old Rooks and Kings Clarion Calls in literary form, I'd enjoy that a hell of a lot more than Fountain.<br />Estebannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2779791468450374982015-11-12T12:56:28.558+01:002015-11-12T12:56:28.558+01:00hard knocks i lead by PL,and was founded by PL mem...hard knocks i lead by PL,and was founded by PL members<br /><br />they were sold out the moment they were created,the other groups sound fineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8188429942132687472015-11-12T12:44:19.959+01:002015-11-12T12:44:19.959+01:00http://crossingzebras.com/he-who-controls-the-past...http://crossingzebras.com/he-who-controls-the-past/<br /><br />You are welcome. By the way, i don't see how making it possible for player organisations to grow up and making cfc die from boredom is so bad. Maybe there is other things than isk to make a nation...Diana Olymposhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15459422467918383416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27041446362460743512015-11-12T10:41:46.563+01:002015-11-12T10:41:46.563+01:00non of my corp mates reads your blog so you surely...non of my corp mates reads your blog so you surely have no influence on their opinion. But all of them see the kickstarter project as a PR disaster. Jeff may be the best writer for this kind of book in the world. But with the mittani posing so prominently at most of the rewards is disgusting for non mittani fanboys. A book signed from the auther, fine take 5$ extra.<br />An overstretched egomania like mittani signing my book? no thanks, could I pay another 5$ to get ride of that?<br /><br />You may influence some of your readers with your blog and they may have rallied behind you to not support it. But as I said in the opening non of those I spoke to read any blogs about eve and still find the project wrong for mittani making too big of an ego.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89404327067091136032015-11-12T10:13:21.073+01:002015-11-12T10:13:21.073+01:00@Diana Olympos: People have the luxury to don'...@Diana Olympos: People have the luxury to don't care, since the document of shame removed the need for space, as the current anom concentration could support 4-6x more players.<br /><br />I couldn't find such article on Zebra, care to link?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27824253396672286342015-11-12T09:43:41.334+01:002015-11-12T09:43:41.334+01:00I have a question for you gevlon. What if people j...I have a question for you gevlon. What if people just don't care about goons and just let them live in their part of space, isolated and dying from boredom?<br /><br />Because it is exactly what is happening. People just don't care. <br /><br />Oh btw Crossing Zebra published a neutral-against article. And noone from our writers published anything else because noone saw anything to say.Diana Olymposhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15459422467918383416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89746557741213516932015-11-12T09:32:50.462+01:002015-11-12T09:32:50.462+01:00Because TMC had the idea to go out an get an autho...Because TMC had the idea to go out an get an author, get a subject, license the idea with CCP and push forward the project. I imagine CCP have no interest in spending their own money on pushing a book (which they would have to do even if they crowdfunded it as a lot of work would go into setting it up, and staff cost money).<br /><br />"This is why it's a shitty propaganda book: TMC gets control over the project without money or license or work in it"<br />TMC don't get control really. Jeff is writing it and CCP are signing it off. TMC are sourcing the marketing and media behind it.<br /><br />"Imagine the same situation with me. Jeff writes the book from CCP IP and player money, but you see "greedygoblin.blogspot.com" all over it. Bizarre, right?"<br />If you can get an author, a good idea and get CCP signoff, then no, It wouldn't be bizarre, and I'd back your book too. I have no horse in this race, I think it's a good thing for there to be EVE books. I don't see the need to destroy that just because someone I fight with in-game is involved in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78004756396416622492015-11-12T09:00:49.451+01:002015-11-12T09:00:49.451+01:00Well, if CCP wants a good novel, why didn't th...Well, if CCP wants a good novel, why didn't they hire an author? Or why didn't they do a kickstarter? Can you tell ANY reasonable reason to partner with TMC on this project? Just think:<br />- Jeff writes the novel<br />- CCP gives the IP<br />- Players give the money<br />- TMC contributes with ... nothing? <br /><br />This is why it's a shitty propaganda book: TMC gets control over the project without money or license or work in it. Even if the book itself is unbiased and great, TMC still got huge credibility and traffic from CCP and Jeff Edwards for absolutely nothing.<br /><br />Imagine the same situation with me. Jeff writes the book from CCP IP and player money, but you see "greedygoblin.blogspot.com" all over it. Bizarre, right?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10491450141696188972015-11-12T08:48:00.958+01:002015-11-12T08:48:00.958+01:00"Yes, the top dev cheerleading for the Goon p..."Yes, the top dev cheerleading for the Goon propaganda crap is sickening."<br />They aren't cheerleading for goon propaganda, they are cheerleading for a novel to be written based on their game. That;''s what people don't get. People are going "grr goons", when what they don't realise is that by rejecting a novel being written by a decent author, they are sealing the fate of further media being produced. After how small and unmarketable the community is proving itself to be, no good authors will put themselves forward after this, and certainly there will be no chance of an EVE movie some people hope will one day be a reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28563731010788167932015-11-12T06:53:31.134+01:002015-11-12T06:53:31.134+01:00I know 3 things:
- Kicktraq seems to be buggy. Acc...I know 3 things:<br />- Kicktraq seems to be buggy. According to their own projection, the project will end between $40 and $60K. I have no idea where their "trending" data comes from. http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1318670671/fountain-war-book/#chart-exp-projection<br />- 118 is not 150. So even if we accept that projection, it's pretty far from winning<br />- the Providence invasion failed while Deklein is the #1 ratting space. Which means Imperium members are members only for convenience. They probably despise The Mittani no less than me, just made their own little deal: "I click the minimum paplinks for good Truesec". These people will never donate money.<br /><br />Unless The Mittani is ready to pour $100K of his own money in the last day, it won't be funded. Even if he does, the crowdfunding failed (as the project will be self-funded).<br /><br /><br />@Anon: I don't have to go to Reddit, someone (usually a Goon) always link me. Same for social media, corp forums and so on. Also, the post today is about "what if I had no effect".<br /><br />Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3022230738793626832015-11-12T06:38:42.635+01:002015-11-12T06:38:42.635+01:00@Anom: clearly the post above yours by Math Is Har...@Anom: clearly the post above yours by Math Is Hard shows not everyone is a member of the choir. <br /><br />Keep it up Gevlon. It is always good to hear someone else who knows Goons are scum and bullies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12099303485336356465noreply@blogger.com