tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post6150730084128519564..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Avenging angelGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56231096702909952772010-09-23T18:28:27.257+02:002010-09-23T18:28:27.257+02:00Just to clarify a point: I'm pretty sure when...Just to clarify a point: I'm pretty sure when people talk about RL "aggressors", Gevlon is not refering to people physically attacking others in RL. He's talking about business owners, wall street sharks, maybe even scam arists. People that use others to make their money. In Gevlon's game the RL physical aggressors would be at the lowest end of progression as they would quickly end up in prison.Vesoomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82060917058014822952010-09-23T15:03:34.726+02:002010-09-23T15:03:34.726+02:00Gevlon, I often disagree with your ideas, but I ju...Gevlon, I often disagree with your ideas, but I just love your pvp game. The problem with so many pvp games is that half the player base runs around like homicidal maniacs, killing anyone in sight. It totally breaks immersion, since aggression is without consequences. <br /><br />In real life, almost no one is an aggressor, the consequences are simply too harsh. A single act can land you in jail for years. Picking a fight has a chance of your becoming permanently damaged and disabled. <br /><br />In real life, I don't worry about my neighbor getting upset and coming over to try to hurt me. In games like Eve, I immediately expect people I see to attack me, just because they can.<br /><br />I won't claim to be able to see all the unintended consequences of your design, but it seems like it would lead to my having fun. I don't want to be an aggressor, so I won't have to hunt down other players to have game content, I can do whatever farming activity there is. There will be hesitation on other players to attack me, as being flagged as an aggressor will really suck. And even when I do get ganked, it gives me a chance to go aggressor-hunting, dispensing justice until my buff runs out.<br /><br />I'd definitely give that game a try.Michael Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3322414465968948272010-09-23T07:34:30.473+02:002010-09-23T07:34:30.473+02:00Most games, unlike life, tend to be zero (or negat...Most games, unlike life, tend to be zero (or negative) sum games. And while it really annoys the insecure that M&S have nearly as good of gear because everything is relative. Whereas RL is real; you can think it is unfair that your stand-in-fire CEO make more than you, but it is still better to make $100k for a $1000k CEO than both of you making $12k. Because the rewards have value in and of themselves; Not you wanting to feel superior because you move out of fore 160ms sooner. Your $100k may be less than your CEO, but you can focus on the houses, cars, children's education, etc that it provides. Giving someone 100 RL-worthless virtual forints can only have meaning if your "friend" has 80.<br /><br />Your game might be interesting, but IMHO it has a large flaw for commercial success. The non-consensual PVP. (e.g. Tobold) I can understand people wanting to PVE; I can understand PVP (compensating perhaps?) But why would someone who wanted PVE go to a NC-PVP game? Nor are the kill! kill! ipwnu! kids going to be interested in any sort of production.<br /><br />Another flaw is "progression" and PVP. If progression is meaningless, then it is an irritating waste of time. If it is not meaningless, what is the point of rolling a level 1 if you could be ganked by 85s. Why not just let everyone pick a character and gear and have them battle.<br /><br />It might be an interesting game, but having a target audience of PVEers who can be forced into non-consensual combat and PVPers who will watch some PVEer buy the same pwnmobile as they have is quite limiting.<br /><br /><br />P.S., many people would choose $30k for 40 low-stress hours a week with a loving family life over $250k for 80 high-stress hours a week, no time to be involved with your children, a couple of divorces and heart attacks. Individuals value money quite differently.<br /><br />P.P.S: EVE Online has a horrible UI and many flaws, but it does this genre. Not sure another company is going to attack their niche for quite some time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53502387438964292332010-09-22T23:35:04.821+02:002010-09-22T23:35:04.821+02:00People don't quit playing RL, despite thenumer...People don't quit playing RL, despite thenumerous difficulties and setbacks this game offers for one simple reason - there is no alternative.<br /><br />Give people an alternative, easy RL to play, where rewards are handed out like in WoW, and the masses will flock.Eaten by a Gruehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741777795065029482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84224139509337920252010-09-22T19:18:56.649+02:002010-09-22T19:18:56.649+02:00If the idiot can be bothered to install gearscore ...If the idiot can be bothered to install gearscore and brag about it in trade, he can be bothered to install recount and whack at a training dummy - though to be fairly honest, I wouldn't invite anyone to a group who spams in trade bragging about either. If they were as amazing as their press release claims, they wouldn't have to spam trade for groups.Shannon Fowlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10951230248691746480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-47351104407102407232010-09-22T19:17:47.206+02:002010-09-22T19:17:47.206+02:00@Arthur,
I'm sorry but I don't think you ...@Arthur,<br /><br />I'm sorry but I don't think you know much about law or lawsuits. They're definitely negative sum. Furthermore, you don't even know what zero sum means. If the loser pays 1,5 million, and you get 1.0 million, then that's negative sum PVP. <br /><br />And oh yeah, have you ever heard of taxes? You'll only take home 500,000 of the 1 milion.<br /><br />So using your example of the lawyer fees and 1 million pounds lawsuits: If you successfully sued someone for 1 million, and then they also successfully sued your for 1 million the next year, then you'd both come out 1 million pounds behind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88181370096575272942010-09-22T19:02:05.068+02:002010-09-22T19:02:05.068+02:00@Grim Yes, asking for dps is stupid, because you w...@Grim Yes, asking for dps is stupid, because you will most likely get a lie, or only a partial truth, i.e. "I did 9k on XT heart during bloodlust, therefore my dps is 9k". But if you ask and the person either doesn't know or isn't smart enough to lie about it, it's definitely not someone you want in your raid. <br /><br />And to all people saying that not having recount or skada installed doesn't make you a M&S, sure it does, why wouldn't you want to test your dps and rotation? And if they're having computer problems with recount on a target dummy, then I don't want them in the raid when marrowgar spews fire all over the place.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046775713361865907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45743699018342207782010-09-22T18:54:09.756+02:002010-09-22T18:54:09.756+02:00Ok rading101 : your a DD , your main role is to do...Ok rading101 : your a DD , your main role is to do damageSiompinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23140848984797944812010-09-22T17:53:07.015+02:002010-09-22T17:53:07.015+02:00I'm not sure how someone not knowing their DPS...I'm not sure how someone not knowing their DPS makes them a moron. It simply means they don't use any addons that give them this information, since the game client doesn't tell you either. Any raid leader with the slightest knowledge of the game will be able to tell from the stats he posted that even if he was half asleep, he'd have at least 4k dps. Instead of provoking the guy and alienating him, it would have been better to take him on the raid and look at what he's doing on the conveniently placed first two easy mobs in the raid.<br /><br />Yeah, you can assume someone's a moron for not having Recount installed, but there are an infinite number of reasons not to use an addon, all of them legitimate. Until Blizzard implements an in-game way of displaying your DPS (the way they're doing with power auras in Cata), you can't really expect randoms to know their DPS.Cyrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73614778965721573072010-09-22T17:42:36.563+02:002010-09-22T17:42:36.563+02:00"Eve Online and RL both have negative-sum PvP..."Eve Online and RL both have negative-sum PvP. If I destroy your ship, you lose more than I win. Same with suing you. You pay 1M punitive damage, I get 300K, rest are legal fees."<br /><br />You either have the wrong lawyers or the wrong legal system. In the UK the loser pays the winners legal fees, so if you win £1M, you keep £1M, even if the legal fees are £500,000 since the loser will then payout £1,500,000.<br /><br />I like the sound of your game.<br /><br />Ive not played SeondLife or the Simsonline, but presumably they are both (a) quite close to RL, and (b) successful? Can someone who has played them compare them to Gevlon's theoretical game?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05981359685374685641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66327788218509462152010-09-22T17:31:28.046+02:002010-09-22T17:31:28.046+02:00Does anyone else have the feeling that the attache...Does anyone else have the feeling that the attached "moron" image is not readable because the resolution is too low?nordveiennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56815994568888175162010-09-22T16:40:17.729+02:002010-09-22T16:40:17.729+02:00This is one post I just completely disagree with.
...This is one post I just completely disagree with.<br /><br />When a business man opens a shop and hires employees, he's not PVP'ing against them. He's giving them a job and salary. This is PVE!<br /><br />They're working together to to make a profit. You could say that it's similar to a PVP guild, in that they're competing against other companies. However, I think a better analogy to real life would be PVE guilds competing for realm firsts, achievements, etc.<br /><br />Also, just b/c people don't commonly commit suicide doesn't mean that anybody wants a game anything like real life! And games that require farming in areas where you can get ganked stink and always fail. In wow, some people choose to farm in WG, most don't b/c they have no desire to do so. I do, but I really don't enjoy it, and if that was a major part of WoW i'd quite immediately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8802005385987838432010-09-22T16:24:25.550+02:002010-09-22T16:24:25.550+02:00There are several socially more-or-less acceptable...<i>There are several socially more-or-less acceptable ways to not play RL: alcohol, drugs, watching TV all day waiting for welfare.</i><br /><br />These are all part of RL, I think. Especially if you are a RL-goblin, waiting for welfare can be a very rational; depending on the circumstances.<br /><br />Receiving welfare is just a social prestige problem. Since a goblin does not care about social prestige ...Nilshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06468755466492675831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-60360733598788236452010-09-22T16:12:49.278+02:002010-09-22T16:12:49.278+02:00Gevlon, I always thought of you as being a free ma...Gevlon, I always thought of you as being a free market acolyte. If you're describing "getting ahead" in RL via making more money than others as pvp, you're essentially arguing that economic activity is negative (or perhaps zero) sum. This of course is completely contrary to any version of a free market theory.<br /><br />Back to reality, most people in the 30k job don't work to get ahead or out of love of the company, but because they know the 30k will buy them their essentials. They probably don't resent the 200k earner as much as they enjoy not being homeless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76800410272234609722010-09-22T16:04:12.046+02:002010-09-22T16:04:12.046+02:00Unless you print money you must take it from someo...Unless you print money you must take it from someone else, duh. It's called commerce nowadays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89122632325964487312010-09-22T13:59:50.395+02:002010-09-22T13:59:50.395+02:00RL is a nasty PvP game
It's not really though...<i>RL is a nasty PvP game</i><br /><br />It's not really though, is it? PvP exists, but it's highly frowned upon in the real world, as in mostly illegal.<br /><br />Trying to accumulate more wealth or prestige than other people is not PvP unless you're actively trying to harm them to directly take it away from them, which is generally considered criminal. Your shop owner vs. shop workers example is not PvP, it's competitive PvE - after all they are all working together to make the shop successful, even if one guy gets more "loot" than the others.<br /><br />So I think the whole premise of "making a PvP game just like RL" is flawed. People don't like being robbed in RL, and so a game where "crime pays" (because you advance faster by killing others) wouldn't be hugely successful either.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83282272749898963002010-09-22T13:43:46.866+02:002010-09-22T13:43:46.866+02:00@Treeston: there are several socially more-or-less...@Treeston: there are several socially more-or-less acceptable ways to not play RL: alcohol, drugs, watching TV all day waiting for welfare.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52674843772515071882010-09-22T12:19:03.296+02:002010-09-22T12:19:03.296+02:00One of the main reasons RL "succeeds", s...One of the main reasons RL "succeeds", so to speak, is that it is "forced play".<br /><br />The only way to "log out" of RL is suicide - which is "socially unacceptable".Treestonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12792547241942109651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24758278761854895572010-09-22T11:25:57.298+02:002010-09-22T11:25:57.298+02:00"What's your DPS?"
If his reply woul..."What's your DPS?"<br />If his reply would have been<br /> "In what context?" <br />then I'd be sure he's not a M&S.<br /><br />But asking single target DPS fully raid buffed is a lot more sensible then any other question.<br /><br />If he's never been in a raid, just do a dummy test, the least I want to know is how close can he get to his max dps with no pressure (this is not gear depended and requires no grind at all)Siompinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53106579444472369042010-09-22T10:54:44.110+02:002010-09-22T10:54:44.110+02:00Does anybody really have a fixed 'dps' sta...Does anybody really have a fixed 'dps' stat? Granted, I primarily tank and heal, but I've never, ever, been able to nail 'my dps' when I played an offspec or an alt. Especially these days with the ICC buff, you have lots of different numbers. Do you mean my dps on festergut 10 with 30% icc buff? My dps on Halion 25? On a heroic boss? Overall dps for a heroic run? My dps if I die in a fire on Koralon? Or maybe if I switch targets properly as ranged on Toravon? (Hope I got those names right.)<br /><br />Is the raid leader maybe expecting everybody to remember all these different numbers and give him your average number for the raid he's starting?Ulrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184549450504424731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24473811601745222602010-09-22T10:47:36.935+02:002010-09-22T10:47:36.935+02:00I usually agree with stuff here, but asking for DP...I usually agree with stuff here, but asking for DPS, or giving DPS numbers make no sense without a proper context.<br /><br />Your DPS varies a lot from encounter to encounter, what raid buffs you have on you, whether it is a 10-man or 25-man raid etc. Some people I have seen actually have the cheek to claim 10k DPS, only to admit it includes lolAOE trash later. (which is rather sad, considering we can get 30k+ on trash packs these days)Perdissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12855596256959096852010-09-22T10:05:42.008+02:002010-09-22T10:05:42.008+02:00There is no single number that can say how much dp...There is no single number that can say how much dps a player does.<br /><br />Is it DPS on a dummy?<br />Is it DPS on a pack of 10 trashmobs?<br />Is it DPS on Festergut where you just stand and hit him?<br />Is it DPS on Dreamwalker where you have to switch targets all the time?<br />Is it DPS on Sindragosa where you have to stop dps and run/hide every minute or so?<br />Is it unbuffed DPS?<br />Is it dps in a 25man with all possible buffs?<br /><br />Asking someone what's his dps is on trade chat without specifying anything is retarded.Grimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70416872619443795922010-09-22T09:56:16.514+02:002010-09-22T09:56:16.514+02:00Must have overread it. Sorry.
What you propose co...Must have overread it. Sorry.<br /><br />What you propose could be interesting gameplay. Maybe it could even be a good MMO, but I would not call it a MMORPG. It is just too unimmersive to be given a super powerful 'guardian angel'.Nilshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06468755466492675831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-77007133836546729812010-09-22T09:54:21.199+02:002010-09-22T09:54:21.199+02:00With regards to the M&S pic today , asking &qu...With regards to the M&S pic today , asking "what's your dps" is actually nonsense in the way it was done in this chat.<br />Yeah so the so cald M&S is ignorant because he does not have a dps add-on , but if the so named elite player asks somebodies DPS to get an icc pug together then maybe he should actually ask what's your dps at boss X.<br />So in my eyes the pics shows us an ignorant person for not having a dps meter and a wannabee elite who I would almost call him a M&S also for asking a question with such a wide open area of response. Me for example would give my dps's stats after being bitten in the Lana’thel encounter , since my dps on Marrowgar is lower then average since I'm a caster-dd.FireStarternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4719468351372419312010-09-22T09:49:39.018+02:002010-09-22T09:49:39.018+02:00"Same with suing you. You pay 1M punitive dam..."Same with suing you. You pay 1M punitive damage, I get 300K, rest are legal fees."<br /><br />Lawyers get to play positive-sum PvP against each other, financed by us legal n00bs. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dickens" rel="nofollow">Charles Dickens</a> wrote a whole novel about it, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleak_House" rel="nofollow">Bleak House</a>, in which an inheritance case drags on until the lawyers' costs have consumed the entire inheritance.Dàchénghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994982502333811797noreply@blogger.com