tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post6023816425267923178..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The glory of WGCleanGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20475687945041646992010-11-17T02:31:12.773+01:002010-11-17T02:31:12.773+01:00Most of Blizzard's staff are probably busy pol...Most of Blizzard's staff are probably busy polishing cataclysm for next month's release. I would be surprised if the change had more to do with WG than some programmer doing the last passes on Tol Barad. Blizzard has historically been very slow and wary of making minor changes and fixes since the game is so heavily modified from its original incarnation that things break unexpectedly. Keep in mind that while 4.0 is a nice preview of the talent and skill changes, this whole period of time also represents an extended troubleshooting session to prepare for the large rush of renewed subscriptions from the expansion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11254318829614889922010-11-16T14:59:51.046+01:002010-11-16T14:59:51.046+01:00Gevlon, it is now more obvious than ever that with...Gevlon, it is now more obvious than ever that without the M&S, Goldman Sachs would not become rich. And GS knows it. So does Blizz.<br /><br />(in other words: too much of a coincidence, this change IS directed at your addon)Naranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33432633718875240222010-11-16T12:41:02.517+01:002010-11-16T12:41:02.517+01:00There's a guild on the horde side on my server...There's a guild on the horde side on my server whose members kick everyone in the random raid not in their guild, if they get a raidleader.<br /><br />They've been doing it solely for "the lolz" for at least half a year now, and I'm sure that they're not the only ones being "funny" that way.<br /><br />That kind of people are the cause for the change, not WGClean.LImanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64348667911841369412010-11-16T11:45:21.968+01:002010-11-16T11:45:21.968+01:00Thinking that WGClean that 'abused' handfu...Thinking that WGClean that 'abused' handful of M&S is a reason for Blizzard to disable random-assembled raid leaders ability to kick is really, really far fetched.<br /><br />The same way I can have a really strong faith that they made this LFD portal room because I often 'abused' LFD to travel faster to places I have no FP yet. I simply queued as tank, entered dungeon, pulled as much as I could, died, spirit ressed and left the group, leaving 4 bewildered M&S behind.Janahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01732571182862802229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31940164844712422872010-11-16T04:47:01.681+01:002010-11-16T04:47:01.681+01:00@ Kenny (and any other people who think Gevlon has...@ Kenny (and any other people who think Gevlon has 'had an effect on Blizzard'): <i>"It seems Gevlon, you have been having quite the effect on blizzard!"</i><br /><br />In the same way that exploit-users have an effect on Blizzard, Gevlon has had an effect on Blizzard. Blizzard would never have noticed Gevlon if it weren't for the people who complained about their unfair treatment.<br /><br />It should be clear now that it was never 'working as intended', despite the hopes of Gevlon and many blog readers.<br /><br />@ Wilson: <i>"Not terribly surprised by the patch news, although there is nothing to indicate my dropping Blizz a line to let them know what Gevlon was up to had anything to do with their decision."</i><br /><br />Like Gevlon did, I too raised a GM ticket to ask about the legitimacy of raid leaders kicking people out of the WG raid. Unlike Gevlon though, I added more specific details about which raid RLs are kicking people out of, but also unlike Gevlon, I got a generic "We will be looking into it, thanks for the feedback!" response.<br /><br />No, I don't know if that made a difference. I don't think it would have though. One or two people don't change the world.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53742027574759086592010-11-16T01:26:28.630+01:002010-11-16T01:26:28.630+01:00This new change most likely had nothing to do with...This new change most likely had nothing to do with Gevlon, sorry to burst your collective bubbles. There have been "kick everyone" griefers for as long as WG has existed, and Blizzard is just notoriously slow at fixing things like that. Just a coincidence with the timing.latusthegoathttp://underct.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89877544962192735682010-11-16T01:15:16.252+01:002010-11-16T01:15:16.252+01:00Forming a new raid (the "Elite" raid) al...Forming a new raid (the "Elite" raid) also has a social effect. People can be accepted to the "cool guys" raid, or rejected. It is not as effective, but it is effective, or at least worth a try.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32612048093092761512010-11-15T21:10:39.099+01:002010-11-15T21:10:39.099+01:00@Treeston Cryptic: it won't really work. The l...@Treeston Cryptic: it won't really work. The lolkids are no longer kicked, they are in the automatic raid with the other lolkids and the casual people who just queued in. They no longer FEEL rejected so they have absolutely no reason to either improve or leave.<br /><br />By leaving the automatic raid and forming our own, we only achieve to not SEE the lolkids, they are still there and cause equal damage. <br /><br />Game over. Accept it, move forward.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81797081127986360212010-11-15T21:02:24.478+01:002010-11-15T21:02:24.478+01:00Oh goddamn it. I JUST wrote a guide to running a W...Oh goddamn it. I JUST wrote a guide to running a Wintergrasp raid that included a section on kicking people.Ferdinandhttp://ferdinandblog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17640006385865552482010-11-15T20:26:03.156+01:002010-11-15T20:26:03.156+01:00@Cryptic: This is also the kind of system I am cur...@Cryptic: This is also the kind of system I am currently implementing into WGClean.Treestonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12792547241942109651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43377493385517423412010-11-15T18:56:26.796+01:002010-11-15T18:56:26.796+01:00What you did when the horde player was made leader...What you did when the horde player was made leader of WG is how I would envision WGClean working going forward, given the information in the new patch notes. It would be modified to announce in General zone chat that you were there and running a raid group and that players should whisper you with a certain word to receive an automatic invite so long as they are not on the blacklist.<br /><br />Also when the patch notes talk about 'Wintergrasp raids' I would think they are talking about the automatic raid groups that are put together (on my server/faction there are usually 2-3 full random raid groups). I can't imagine that they would prevent a raid leader from kicking people from a raid that was put together by hand, regardless of where on a map those players happen to be located. <br /><br />So in short (I think) if you are the leader of a random blizzard created WG raid you can't kick people, if you leave blizzard's raid and form your own then you can do anything a normal group leader can do.Cryptichttp://resto.blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-47824126960979245662010-11-15T18:00:32.664+01:002010-11-15T18:00:32.664+01:00I see a few other posted about the up coming patch...I see a few other posted about the up coming patch. This is clearly not good, as I was looking forward to a 'clean' Tol barad.<br /><br />It seems Gevlon, you have been having quite the effect on blizzard! Your affect on the community was well known because of the blues only guild, but this seems like blizzard is starting to pay attention<br /><br />They have to keep their M&S dollars rolling in so I suppose the rest of us just have to lose out. It's a pity.Kennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011052678763696623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33597657233688298382010-11-15T17:25:02.805+01:002010-11-15T17:25:02.805+01:00It's too bad Blizzard doesn't see the incr...It's too bad Blizzard doesn't see the increased participation/interest that comes from removing a small percent of the players as a good thing. People are clearly more interested in WG when the team works together and has a chance to win. <br /><br />Maybe the best way to balance battlegrounds is to provide new tools to remove/punish the M&S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7585760721404810302010-11-15T17:24:27.743+01:002010-11-15T17:24:27.743+01:00kicking people from a battleground because you don...kicking people from a battleground because you don't like their play style is griefingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56243657112981740102010-11-15T17:04:10.776+01:002010-11-15T17:04:10.776+01:00Not terribly surprised by the patch news, although...Not terribly surprised by the patch news, although there is nothing to indicate my dropping Blizz a line to let them know what Gevlon was up to had anything to do with their decision. I am mildly disappointed that I won't be getting an opportunity to test out my heavily modified version of WGClean in TB - used against an unwary raid leader the results would have been ... amusing. Ah well.Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8851567494628296022010-11-15T15:37:01.649+01:002010-11-15T15:37:01.649+01:00Told. You. So.Told. You. So.Ephemeronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16403198085556121203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80656248588867424872010-11-15T15:21:04.579+01:002010-11-15T15:21:04.579+01:00Blizzard really does make the game M&S boostin...Blizzard really does make the game M&S boosting as possible; happy I am no longer playing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52074658313975989212010-11-15T14:50:41.332+01:002010-11-15T14:50:41.332+01:00"It seems unlikely that Gevlon (And others li..."It seems unlikely that Gevlon (And others like him) are the cause of this change."<br /><br />The timing of the change tells a different story. Wrath has been live for 2 years and only now griefers have started to abuse the kick mechanic?<br /><br />Blizzard is strongly opposed to the exclusion of M&S from gameplay. And with good reason: the M&S pay the bills...<br /><br />The new version of WGClean will need to filter invites to ensure that you don't accidentally invite someone from the ban list - as you now can't remove them.Bernardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08909382806966279602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21788388919927790092010-11-15T14:38:14.637+01:002010-11-15T14:38:14.637+01:00@Malthan
..it made a impact big enough to be noti...@Malthan<br /><br /><i>..it made a impact big enough to be noticed by Blizzard</i><br /><br />That's one huge leap of faith,to which, I don't subscribe. <br /><br />Of course if you have any actual evidence that Blizzard acted on WGClean then please present it. I'd love to believe that Gevlon can have an influence on Blizzard.chewynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84076512203779629082010-11-15T14:06:10.700+01:002010-11-15T14:06:10.700+01:00The era of WGclean is not necessarily over. If you...The era of WGclean is not necessarily over. If you still can leave and make your own raid, it will just require to do that and maybe add a timer to the addon to warn people via /1 that they are in the wrong raid.John Newhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030041155022521163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12175332434473278272010-11-15T13:52:42.161+01:002010-11-15T13:52:42.161+01:00"The leader of Wintergrasp raids can no longe..."The leader of Wintergrasp raids can no longer kick players from the raid (this change will also apply to Tol Barad in Cataclysm)."<br /><br /><br />patchnotes 4.03a<br /><br />now what?!Jokklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106884629320928775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31264138775702514402010-11-15T12:40:09.237+01:002010-11-15T12:40:09.237+01:00How many more people are going to quote the patch ...How many more people are going to quote the patch notes?<br /><br />To me it shows the success of WGClean - it made a impact big enough to be noticed by Blizzard. Your example with the horde infiltrator shows that maybe it will be possible to make it work in Cata with leaving the raid and forming your own one. Sadly if you can't kick people even from the raids you formed in WG, then it would require disbanding the raid every time a player is added to the black list.Malthanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812908483600560460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-38416426502953576042010-11-15T12:17:47.298+01:002010-11-15T12:17:47.298+01:00I hope they impelemnt the BG-AFK voting ability. u...I hope they impelemnt the BG-AFK voting ability. unless that WG & TB is god-heaven for the brainless and fishermen.Visalyarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56144260855837778552010-11-15T12:08:37.416+01:002010-11-15T12:08:37.416+01:00Well, they've never managed to fix things like...Well, they've never managed to fix things like class balance or faction ratios, but they're certainly on the ball when it comes to getting the M&S boosted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6045459299111483522010-11-15T12:04:41.985+01:002010-11-15T12:04:41.985+01:00@ The patch note posters.
It seems unlikely that ...@ The patch note posters.<br /><br />It seems unlikely that Gevlon (And others like him) are the cause of this change. However Gevlon includes the most likely cause in today's post, griefers like Wartrain.Thoughtcastnoreply@blogger.com