tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post5384199645543222058..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Ownership vs leadership (aka the Sort Dragon fail)Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-68138821698466333182013-05-08T02:02:32.212+02:002013-05-08T02:02:32.212+02:00But as we all could see sort dragon just put the l...But as we all could see sort dragon just put the last nail into the HBC coffin. This coalition have been rotting and getting weaker from inside for many months already.OskaRusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56536195883844068262013-05-08T01:16:10.967+02:002013-05-08T01:16:10.967+02:00Has any one considered that has done exactly what ...Has any one considered that has done exactly what PL what wanted him to do ?<br /><br />Break up one of the largest coalitions in the game and he has succeeded..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72769283583663220612013-05-08T00:57:51.333+02:002013-05-08T00:57:51.333+02:00@ 2nd Anonymous
No doubt, but that was not the po...@ 2nd Anonymous<br /><br />No doubt, but that was not the point. But a vast majority of Null dwellers also have hi sec alts. They may not even be know due to second third or even fourth accounts. Hi sec is an easy place to create a steady income to top up or surpass your null income. And all for next to no risk. NPC Corps anyone?<br /><br />Secanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27592528888314294372013-05-07T18:56:30.564+02:002013-05-07T18:56:30.564+02:00@Other Anonymous
The point is that many TEST line...@Other Anonymous<br /><br />The point is that many TEST line members are indeed making their money in Null, not on highsec alts as Gevlon keeps suggesting, as evidenced by the fact that there are at minimum 2k rat kills in every one of our upgraded systems each day.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66305515000905472632013-05-07T18:19:28.393+02:002013-05-07T18:19:28.393+02:00@Anonymous: Umm. 80 billion a day. How nice.
If y...@Anonymous: Umm. 80 billion a day. How nice.<br /><br />If you look at the loyalty point log for incursions, you will see that the most active (read: bots) players rake in 500k LP over the course of an incursion. I'm pretty sure incursions are a much larger ISK firehose compared to any form of ratting. 160-200 million/hour, per pilot in a 40 man fleet where al you have to do is press f1 and broadcast once in a while in highsec without any risk bar stupidity (read: 5 billion ISK machariels. Someone gank these fuckers already) just trumps ratting by far. Sorry, but I stand by the view that the ISK is in highsec. Doing incursions you can plex in 3.5 hours, give or take.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76584579690334715062013-05-07T16:52:15.738+02:002013-05-07T16:52:15.738+02:00No, BoB wouldn't be happy or alive. BoB didn&#...No, BoB wouldn't be happy or alive. BoB didn't die because of a lack of money, it died because it treated its members and member corps like shit and was thoroughly out metagamed.<br /><br />In the end the nail in the coffin was a rouge director but what was the Greater BoB coalition was already well on they way to imploding despite having ample income and members.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45083971267221158132013-05-07T15:28:13.878+02:002013-05-07T15:28:13.878+02:00@Anonymous: I've never said you can't make...@Anonymous: I've never said you can't make money in null. Actually I wrote the opposite: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2012/11/the-problem-and-solution-of-failed-null.html <br /><br />I've just said the big money is in highsec. If you now make ISK or not in null is irrelevant. What's relevant is if you'd lose your space, you could still make ISK.<br /><br />If nullsec would be much more profitable to the line member than highsec, then BoB would still be happy and alive.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79608490971894654742013-05-07T14:24:29.598+02:002013-05-07T14:24:29.598+02:00Your assessment of TEST line members continues to ...Your assessment of TEST line members continues to be completely wrong.<br /><br />Most of us do actually make most of our money in null. Take a look at dotlan, every one of our upgraded systems has at least 2k pirate kills in the last 24 hours, most of them have 5k. Just browsing through Fountain I can see about 80 bil per day in just bounties, which goes directly to line members, in addition to salvage which is worth about 75%.<br /><br />As much as you like to hammer on the point that the money is in high sec, your own data showed that this was only true for trading. Missioning and ratting are both more valuable in null. Even in terms of trading, many of our traders make a significant portion of their income trading between hi sec and null.<br /><br />The reason Booda says we have 'nothing to lose' is not because our space isn't valuable, it's because all we really want is the content, ISK is not our primary concern.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72844070088433278372013-05-07T13:31:06.568+02:002013-05-07T13:31:06.568+02:00"We hold these truths to be self-evident, tha..."<b>We hold these truths to be self-evident</b>, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, <b>deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed</b>" - US Declaration of Independence<br /><br />Note that these are regarded as observable truths, not reasonable good ideas. Too many people seem to miss that distinction.<br /><br />People can give or revoke consent in thousands of ways, in whether they pay or evade taxes to how much support they give the local authorities. Consent is not a binary choice made between voting or rebelling.<br /><br />In EVE terms, consent (or lack thereof) is shown in everything from membership in a Corp/Alliance/Coalition, logging in to fly in fleets, playing on a secret alt, or not logging in at all. TEST leadership chose show their lack of consent by making a noisy announcement rather than watching the quiet, but inevitable fail of continuing with a coalition they didn't really support. Good for them. =) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-92071480402793215302013-05-07T07:16:35.341+02:002013-05-07T07:16:35.341+02:00Just wanted to let you know that this post goes on...Just wanted to let you know that this post goes on my permanent bookmarks :D<br /><br />Been a while since i saw such a clear explanation of how power cannot be taken, but can only be received.<br /><br />Posts like that are the reason i read this blog. As long as something of this quality comes out at least once or twice every year, i'm a happy reader :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285916605762869349noreply@blogger.com