tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post5250234551686600577..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Why socials can never be rich?Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1802035463610208462012-05-19T02:49:17.690+02:002012-05-19T02:49:17.690+02:00@Azuriel: The end result would be razor thin marg...@Azuriel: The end result would be razor thin margins from goblin vs goblins market pvp.<br /><br />The reality, of course, is that not everyone is an unfettered goblin in the pursuit of profit, therefore there are plenty of margins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88571663213372195272012-05-19T00:42:33.112+02:002012-05-19T00:42:33.112+02:00"... I just wonder if it fails the Categorica..."... I just wonder if it fails the Categorical Imperative "test." That is to say, if everyone in EVE followed Gevlon's advice, if the profit margins that make the advice meaningful would actually still exist."<br /><br />That's the beautiful point: hardly anyone actually does, both in games such as EVE, and in real life. You can put information directly in front of someone, you can literally force it into their brain, but if it does not fit in with that persons own perception of reality then it will be ignored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85728445879807223142012-05-18T23:49:41.577+02:002012-05-18T23:49:41.577+02:00It's good that you are a hard worker in real l...It's good that you are a hard worker in real life, but you seem to have difficulty comprehending how someone could be a hard worker in real life and a hedonistic pleasure seeker during leisure time. The things you are looking for from people are abundant in real life but are going to be short in games, because most people do not take in-game wealth (or other forms of "being productive") as seriously as you do. Also, games tend to have a built in welfare system, as most people tend to not want to worry about the costs of living in-game, as they already get that in real life.<br /><br />So really, I think you are beating your head against the wall in some of the things you are trying to get out of the game.Eaten by a Gruehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741777795065029482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26245242573911182202012-05-18T22:44:29.105+02:002012-05-18T22:44:29.105+02:00More often than not this blog's function is to...More often than not this blog's function is to show how much isk you have similar to a gear rating in WoW. I would think a "greedy" goblin would try to hide his wealth rather than show it off. Instead, posting it on every blog just ends up looking like a vain attempt for attention.<br /><br />There are only two purposes for isk in Eve. One is to buy plex and the other is to pvp. Hording isk is simply a waste of time. Using it to buy shiny ships to fight and possibly die like a boss? That's respectable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48632338403804625972012-05-18T20:02:37.373+02:002012-05-18T20:02:37.373+02:00@Larofeticus: because it enforces fighting a prepa...@Larofeticus: because it enforces fighting a prepared, worthy opponent, instead of blobbing some lost noob in a lowsec gate.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41498239738058889952012-05-18T19:21:27.660+02:002012-05-18T19:21:27.660+02:00Is he doing anything else in EVE?
Haven't you...<i>Is he doing anything else in EVE?</i><br /><br />Haven't you been reading? There isn't anything else <i>to do</i> in EVE. Any non-ISK-generating activity is by definition social, i.e. objectively pointless.<br /><br />Nevertheless, it is an inspirational post. I just wonder if it fails the Categorical Imperative "test." That is to say, if <i>everyone</i> in EVE followed Gevlon's advice, if the profit margins that make the advice meaningful would actually still exist.Azurielhttp://inanage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3632693943441296662012-05-18T19:16:56.422+02:002012-05-18T19:16:56.422+02:00What distinguishes sovereignty for the sake of sov...What distinguishes sovereignty for the sake of sovereignty, from pvp for it's own?<br /><br />Because the developers hardcoded a goal? Eve developers also implemented killmails and are putting the equivalent of killboards into the next patch. <br /><br />It can't be the profitability of sov because the most profit comes from tech moons which require no sov, or individual 0.0 activities most of which can't be taxed.<br /><br />In fact, sov and related warfare is the most wasteful activity in the game. Upkeep costs, structures, risking the loss of entire fleets up to supercapitals.<br /><br />But without that waste there's no demand for manufactured goods or trade. The bedrock of the economy in eve is the same consumer behavior you despise.Larofeticusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35631768028396626792012-05-18T19:02:08.239+02:002012-05-18T19:02:08.239+02:00Lots of great posts recently.
@ Larofeticus I thi...Lots of great posts recently.<br /><br />@ Larofeticus I think you are confusing thrill with accomplishment. Risk for reward is fine. "Winning" at Russian Roulette (no slight intended; it's just the name I know it by) must be thrilling but very moronic.<br /><br />P.S. I really feel sorry for the poor person who ends up hiring Syncaine IRL. /shudderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-49603547687763138442012-05-18T17:26:59.426+02:002012-05-18T17:26:59.426+02:00One of the things that really interested me in Gev...One of the things that really interested me in Gevlon's approach to playing WoW was that he found a way to minimize the time he spent making gold while also becoming quite rich. That meant that he had plenty of time to run his various other projects like blue gear raiding.<br /><br />I do have to wonder how big a portion of his EVE playtime is spent just making ISK. Based on the blog posts alone, it would seem to be almost all of his time. Is he doing anything else in EVE?Nielashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08685329191772513319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-121808625524248912012-05-18T17:17:28.841+02:002012-05-18T17:17:28.841+02:00@Larofeticus: I never supported l'art pour l&#...@Larofeticus: I never supported l'art pour l'art PvP. I either seeked ways to farm honor or hold the "sov" of Wintergrasp/Tol Barad.<br /><br />I'm not against Sov wars or profitable pirating. I'm against pointless ganking roams.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28671232759715160902012-05-18T16:59:36.904+02:002012-05-18T16:59:36.904+02:00Something I don't understand is the disdain fo...Something I don't understand is the disdain for pvp in eve. You previously put up posts about battlegrounds. Posts about world of tanks which is entirely pvp.<br /><br />Yet in eve, you shun the topic, seemingly for the arbitrary reason that there is possible loss involved. Great Wot players win 60/40, which is similar to eve pvp. But in wot you always get experience and in battlegrounds you always get whatever reward even when you lose. But unlike so many other kiddie games, loss in eve has consequences and your main thing seems to be aversion to loss.<br /><br />The clear solution is you should go play on the test server where there are no consequences. Or admit that the risk of loss adds satisfaction to success, which is independent of any social concerns.Larofeticusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43312473792011750082012-05-18T14:34:07.799+02:002012-05-18T14:34:07.799+02:00I think it somewhat depends on what your goal is a...I think it somewhat depends on what your goal is as well. If someone really enjoys incursions, for example, and they want to eventually have a 10B isk deadspace fit Machariel, sure, your methods would get them the ship faster, but that may not be what they want. They might prefer to use incursions as their income source while they are building their ship. It's some what like the difference between buying a new boat, and learning to build your own in the backyard. In both cases, you end up with a boat, but in the first case, the boat was the end, while in the second, building it was the end, and having a boat is a bit of a side effect.Kobeathrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00055369026091427651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17340355911112526962012-05-18T13:19:04.878+02:002012-05-18T13:19:04.878+02:00"I planned and will prove that anyone who isn..."I planned and will prove that anyone who isn't a moron or slacker can make more money than he spend."<br /><br />I don't think this point needs to be proven - I'm not aware of anyone who questions that you can get pretty wealthy if you put in some effort.<br /><br />The first (and often only) time people put in that effort is when they save for their first supercapital - they start trading, incursions, suicide ganking, or move into a wormhole for 2-4 weeks because they realize that their usual methods of earning ISK are too inefficient for that task.<br /><br />However, once they have reached their goal (e.g. 25b for a supercarrier)they revert back to more inefficient means of income generation.<br /><br />I can only speak for myself but for me ISK is strictly a tool (funny that you acknowledge that by using "what you spend" to measure isk generation) and most income earning activities are terribly dull - with the possible exception of scamming which is too much effort for an uncertain outcome for my taste.<br />Finding a trade opportunity or setting up that spreadsheet for the first time is fun, the day to day management of orders or production is terrible. <br /><br />I do some mission running and light trading to earn enough to finance PLEX (4 accounts) and pvp ships.<br />Both have the advantage that I can do them while my main is in a pvp fleet and that I can walk away from them at any time (in contrast to group activities like incursions).<br /><br />The downside to mission running is that it is relatively inefficient (but not as bad as most people make it sound, a lot depends on your knowledge of the market for LP store items) and that it doesn't scale well as capital is accumulated (500m mission ship vs 3b mission ship, greatly diminishing returns).<br /><br />The downsides to trading are that it tends to take over my life (log in to update orders at least 2 times a day every day) and leaves me exposed to market swings if I go afk for a few days without cleaning up my orders beforehand (e.g. if I value to market I made 500-700m losses during the last few days because a market moved and I wasn't there to remove/update my buy orders - I don't like to worry about EVE when I'm on a Diablo binge).<br /><br />Mission running/ratting is guaranteed money paid out within a guaranteed timeframe with basically no risk of losses.<br /><br />Activities other than mission running or trading require a lot of attention (e.g. exploration) that makes them unfeasible to do on the side, pay even worse (mining), require me to be on comms and attentive (incursions and wormholes), require me to structure my RL around EVE (Industry) or have some comparable shortcomings.<br /><br />These shortcomings don't matter much when you set aside a few weeks for focused income generation and then go back to normal. But they'd destroy my game (by forcing me to give up on pvp opportunities) if I would try to be more efficient all the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32089412036273256652012-05-18T12:07:51.050+02:002012-05-18T12:07:51.050+02:00"... To be rich in EVE (and RL) needs nothing..."... To be rich in EVE (and RL) needs nothing more than saying "I don't care if everyone think I'm the biggest loser". Easy isn't it?"<br /><br />One of your better posts. It reminds me of a little saying that I've been following for a while now:<br /><br />"Happiness is being independent of the good opinion of others."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81582441099625361102012-05-18T09:55:02.667+02:002012-05-18T09:55:02.667+02:00You seem to consider that risk while money making ...You seem to consider that risk while money making is a negative, that the social should do the lest risky higher value task. The social completes the risky task due to intrinsic thrill of potentially getting blown up.<br /><br />There are equivalent thrills out there for the investor, but I dont think your prudent approach to investing is particularly high risk.<br /><br />In my opinion risk can be considered proportional to fun, and this can be proved biologically by looking at the endorphin release experienced by people during extreme sports or in high risk investment banking.<br /><br />Why judge them for wanting to experience an endorphin release from a computer game?Dangphathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00767725815265858008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65296297169162906172012-05-18T07:14:13.233+02:002012-05-18T07:14:13.233+02:00Inspirational! Anyone that isn't completely us...Inspirational! Anyone that isn't completely useless can have a place. They just have to resist spending more than they make to get ahead of the Joneses.<br /><br />P.s. Will Smith is rich and liked.Happy Forumnoreply@blogger.com