tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post5199309587654600574..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: League of Legends prisonGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21297293406861629212017-01-18T04:37:30.912+01:002017-01-18T04:37:30.912+01:00@Gevlon
Ah, i see, the point was that you were los...@Gevlon<br />Ah, i see, the point was that you were losing winrate as you dodged and regained it as you stopped dodging.<br />Fair enough, i can see a system that would do that. In fact, i'd probably do that myself.maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85921118193447333152017-01-17T00:21:01.732+01:002017-01-17T00:21:01.732+01:00@Maxim: 60% winrate goes to 30% in a second when i...@Maxim: 60% winrate goes to 30% in a second when it should go up to 70% by dodging bad games is a clear proof. This event is not connected to the main rigging, it's a side issue to punish dodgers and other problematic players, hence no player groups. I wish I didn't dodge because I wasted lot of time. I can clearly climb back (I believe I'm out of prison, I'm winning again more than losing and games stopped being retarded). I'll simply reach gold without dodging.<br /><br />@Anon: my teammates got much worse, I mean I routinely get bronze players now.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30517639494243269172017-01-16T21:28:39.123+01:002017-01-16T21:28:39.123+01:00If a algorithm works, but does some cliche calcula...If a algorithm works, but does some cliche calculations, it might not be intentional rigging. I try to give alternative explanation. Lets guess you get 50% winrate no matter what. If you play out every game, you will stay roughly on same spot. If you dodge, you lose some LP points every time you dodge. On the long run, you will lose ranks. That means you will get lower lever opponents and teammates. <br /><br />Lets add complexity, imagine winning-losing streaks improve elo more. What will happen if you pick only teams who have good chance to victory. Dodging wont influence elo, and you will win often many games in row and hardly get any losing streaks. Your elo will rise alot, but your rank will stay roughly same, thanks to lot of dodging. So you will be matched against high elo and low rank players. There are 2 ways to get those, either you dodge alot, or you play against traded account players who are on losing streak. Botters, afkers are good example of the account trading side. It might not be intentional for that algorithm to make "prison island", but its just a quirk on extrem case scenario. <br /><br />Btw, is LP gain changed recently? It was 22-24 per win and 14-16 per defeat. Now it seems both are around 18-20 per victory/defeat. If i would rig something, i would use LP Gain, its way simpler and effective.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75744324549287595992017-01-16T20:09:49.946+01:002017-01-16T20:09:49.946+01:00Sorry, i do not see any real data here. Just you j...Sorry, i do not see any real data here. Just you jumping to conclusions about both how stuff works and motivations behind it.<br />Weren't you supposed to show the formula behind your player categories? Also, if you are right, then there is no way for you to prove the exploit by riding a counterexploit tactic to high gold.maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61541813335102914902017-01-16T10:13:21.328+01:002017-01-16T10:13:21.328+01:00@Gevlon: chat removal is not given because you cha...@Gevlon: chat removal is not given because you chat or not, it's usually the first ban warning regardless of actual violations. It's given even if you simply afk too much, so muting all at start doesn't seem to help.<br /><br />It may be due to qdodges, ofc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66084398587159714712017-01-16T10:02:56.101+01:002017-01-16T10:02:56.101+01:00"Heroes of the Storm has something this, but ..."Heroes of the Storm has something this, but they declare it openly. If you disconnect from a game, it makes you play a game with a team full of people who also recently disconnected."<br /><br />It should also be noted that these "leaver games", as they are called, must be played in unranked mode. So they will NOT influence your ranking in any way.<br /><br />Punishing people by (effectively) reducing their MMR for reasons other than actual poor in-game performance is a terrible idea, if you want a fair matchmaking system. It just leads to unbalanced game after unbalanced game. And that's weirdly enough exactly as I remember LoL ...Hanura H'araschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74687130294667635082017-01-16T09:50:31.417+01:002017-01-16T09:50:31.417+01:00@Anon: I've never had chat removal, probably b...@Anon: I've never had chat removal, probably because I don't chat much. I suggest to mute all at start. I've also haven't seen rating drop during weekends before. So I'm fully convinced that this is because of my queue dodges.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29089436343812168082017-01-16T08:41:37.114+01:002017-01-16T08:41:37.114+01:00@HotSplayer
They call it "Low Priority"...@HotSplayer <br /><br />They call it "Low Priority" Queue, but that's not anything like that, it's just you're not allowed to queue in 5-20 minutes after you pressed play every time you press play, which they decided to call "Low Priority" for some rito-level retarded reason I cannot perceive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57678591589281846522017-01-16T08:39:43.680+01:002017-01-16T08:39:43.680+01:00I experience that "prison" during weeken...I experience that "prison" during weekends for the last 4 years. I call it "weekend matchmaking nonsense", due to it usually occurring from friday evening to monday morning. Rather than time period, it is usually a set of games, works on both normal and ranked, I find myself getting about 13 roflstomps in a row, after which the game resumes normally.<br /><br />Usually I get my account chat restricted or banned during this period, because, despite me fully knowing what's happening, the team refuses to ff at 20, or at any other period - matchmaking is incredibly good at finding the most stubborn feeder idiots. At minute 30 they start teaching you that you live your life in a wrong manner, from the height of their 1/13/4 score. And then they mass-report you, and you get a ban.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78427894240332979882017-01-16T06:47:21.905+01:002017-01-16T06:47:21.905+01:00Don't they have a "Low Priority" Que...Don't they have a "Low Priority" Queue?<br /><br />https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ<br /><br />I had assumed that this would work the same as HotS and you would get Q'd with other people in the low priority queue, hence the drastic jump in AFK, DC, toxic, bot players.HotSplayernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84018368453863487792017-01-16T06:21:33.613+01:002017-01-16T06:21:33.613+01:00@Grue: have you checked the chance of this run? Al...@Grue: have you checked the chance of this run? Also why did I see objectively harmful play (AFK, DC, toxic, bot) more. If I had bad runs, I'd just lose.<br /><br />@Zyrus: that's the problem: Riot claims that its matchmaker is fair, when it's obviously not.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76869490036874057182017-01-16T04:09:13.845+01:002017-01-16T04:09:13.845+01:00Ah, the Prisoner's Island.
The funny thing is...Ah, the Prisoner's Island.<br /><br />The funny thing is that if Riot came out and said "Yes, we do have a prisoner's island for dodgers, leavers, bots, toxic people, etc" I don't think they'd particularly be looked down upon.<br /><br />Look at Dota 2, they have prisoner's island.<br /><br />Interestingly enough, Riot denies they have such.Zyrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10373226782607937642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22140489927536134502017-01-16T03:41:37.923+01:002017-01-16T03:41:37.923+01:00Heroes of the Storm has something this, but they d...Heroes of the Storm has something this, but they declare it openly. If you disconnect from a game, it makes you play a game with a team full of people who also recently disconnected. The queue takes longer, because there is a smaller pool of such players, so that is the main pain of it. The game itself does not seem unfair, because the opponents are also disconnecters.<br /><br />With regard to your findings, it's an interesting hypothesis, but you are in a science field, so you should be familiar with statistics. Bad runs are normal. I had a run of 20 losses in Heroes of the Storm, and thought nothing of it. You seem to be placing way too much weight in results from very small sample sizes.Eaten by a Gruehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741777795065029482noreply@blogger.com