tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post4765917227103645250..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: IWantISK must be doing RMTGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19772153931470107622015-04-05T10:57:45.558+02:002015-04-05T10:57:45.558+02:00You do realize that even though they make 6t a mo ...You do realize that even though they make 6t a mo a lot of it goes back out in giveaways and all that good stuff. They state they never go over 5t ISK in their wallets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1234037302499340002015-04-02T23:31:55.459+02:002015-04-02T23:31:55.459+02:00@Gevlon you did spur an interesting idea: create a...@Gevlon you did spur an interesting idea: create a gambling site where ISK revenue does go to fuel anti-CFC efforts. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12099303485336356465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20963180860336710912015-04-02T17:23:51.617+02:002015-04-02T17:23:51.617+02:00'The only way to spend that money without crus...'The only way to spend that money without crushing coalitions is RMT."<br /><br />This is the bottom line. The only "legitimate" revenue sources the site has are ads and plex sales. Well, there is no reason to run a complete gambling site to support that trickle of a revenue stream.<br /><br />As such, it's a completely safe conclusion that ALL "isk gambling" sites are RMT schemes (Money laundering may not be the oldest profession, but it's penultimate in it's position on the list.)<br /><br />It's like concluding that the two guys that offer your business "protection" for a fee are "protecting" it from themselves. <br /><br />This is all on CCP. They set up a situation that begs to be abused through money laundering, then wonder why it happens?<br /><br />Here's how these sites work in a nutshell: You want to gamble. You create an account on the site. Well, you need "isk" to gamble with, so they arrange for a "banker" to take your isk in game. An identical amount of web site isk appears in your account and you gamble with it.<br /><br />In reality, the isk never left the game. The "banker" then gives it to someone else. That other person may have "won" it on the gambling site, or simply bought it with real world cash. There is no way to tell.<br /><br />This complete inability to audit the isk trail, as it were, basically guarantees that RMT is taking place. This is basic human nature, if there is money to be made, people will line up to make it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71682941314698478902015-04-02T16:02:56.362+02:002015-04-02T16:02:56.362+02:00S Riojas:
"That or CCP simply demand that if ...S Riojas:<br />"That or CCP simply demand that if you want to run a site like Somerblink or iwantisk, there is complete transparency and complete access to the database of the the site by designated CCP employees"<br /><br />CCP can't really make that demand. CCP can refuse to sell them "plex" for subsequent resale, but that's about the practical limit of their ability to influence "IwantIsk."<br /><br />This is because "IwantIsk" doesn't have any isk. All the isk stays in the game and has no way to get out. They have their OWN currency they also call "isk" they use for the website side of their RMT scheme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20909077439197636462015-04-02T15:55:53.198+02:002015-04-02T15:55:53.198+02:00RMT is a huge problem, and having the developer do...RMT is a huge problem, and having the developer do it only masks the symptoms.<br /><br />"Classic game theory" in this context is to match "faucets" with <br />"sinks." But that doesn't factor in the earning disparity between slackers on one end of the spectrum and outliers like Gevlon who are singlemindedly devoted to pointlessly collecting pixel money (No offense.) on the other end of the spectrum.<br /><br />As such, adding "sinks" in the game specifically to drain money from the economy CREATES RMT in that the poor people want those things too... but can't legally 'earn' the game currency to buy them.<br /><br />If you have to add sinks to the game to get rid of "excess money" you are already screwed. The only "good" way to dump extra game money is to have the people that have the most quit playing and abandon the currency in their closed account. And the only way to do that is the venomously prevent the valuation of your game currency to "real" currencies.<br /><br />Where developers are going wrong is they want to retain their customers forever. They have to accept that there is a natural cycle to this, you start a game, you play it to it's conclusion for you, then you quit. You start a new game and someone else starts playing the game you just left... what also leaves the game is all the game gold / isk / whatevers that got abandoned when you left. That has to be the biggest currency sink.<br /><br />CCP burned that ship long ago by focusing their marketing on the real world cost of the big battles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10190005364142456142015-04-02T12:41:36.645+02:002015-04-02T12:41:36.645+02:00The accuser could equally be doing RMT and trying ...The accuser could equally be doing RMT and trying to close down his competitors.<br /><br />Proof is required, or at least some semblance of proof, beyond "I know this guy is RMTing".<br /><br />As NoizyGamer said, too many holes, but if CCP shut down one shop, then it is something good at least.Zaxinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83569490795536131802015-04-02T08:16:33.111+02:002015-04-02T08:16:33.111+02:00@Gevlon @nightgerbil If CCP did ban gambling, they...@Gevlon @nightgerbil If CCP did ban gambling, they most likely would ban it in the sense of external gambling to the EVE client. <br /><br />That or CCP simply demand that if you want to run a site like Somerblink or iwantisk, there is complete transparency and complete access to the database of the the site by designated CCP employeesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12099303485336356465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42836503214656402852015-04-02T07:57:27.302+02:002015-04-02T07:57:27.302+02:00@Foo: the RMT-ers make lot of money that is missin...@Foo: the RMT-ers make lot of money that is missing from the PLEX market (= CCP wallet). Definitely worth developer resources.<br /><br />@nightgerbil: players clearly want to gamble. Denying them their fun isn't the best for business. Also, what is "gambling"? You betting with your corpmate on the outcome of an 1v1 is gambling?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41845170884056907912015-04-02T07:19:28.372+02:002015-04-02T07:19:28.372+02:00Or why not just ban gambling? easy fix. From this ...Or why not just ban gambling? easy fix. From this date hence forth all isk/prizes won/lost by gambling is confiscated and people hosting gambling sites will be perma banned. attempts to evade will be punished yada yada.<br /><br />Problem solved.nightgerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555431875907240808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-62110930987151705102015-04-02T05:59:51.923+02:002015-04-02T05:59:51.923+02:00The problem is that the accuser's story is so ...The problem is that the accuser's story is so full of holes that I can't trust it. However, one of the sellers mentioned is the biggest black market ISK/PLEX seller on Player Auctions. If this report leads CCP to shut down that shop, then something good will come out of this.<br /><br />Oh, and the tears that will come forth. RMT tears, best tears.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29549733564399611332015-04-02T03:47:04.938+02:002015-04-02T03:47:04.938+02:00Let's say I agree with the argument that gambl...Let's say I agree with the argument that gambling is currently tied to illicit/bannable behavior but there is currently insufficient proof to apply a banhammer. (I think I agree but reserve final judgement)<br /><br />This still does not follow that the stupidity tax should be 0%<br /><br />I am also not sure I agree with the concept of arbitrarily 'nationalising' an admitidly dodgy industry and paying for it with 'government funds' (in this instance ccp developement time)Foohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02444693774790165427noreply@blogger.com