tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post4515040552759312015..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Walking in their shoesGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70205009344692032742009-10-29T02:11:15.996+01:002009-10-29T02:11:15.996+01:00"Don't mistake a retard to a troll! "..."Don't mistake a retard to a troll! "First!", "This post/blog suxx/fail/crap", "Write about [whatever I want to read] instead of this shit" are honest opinions of a primitive mind. He has no other reason to write than giving us the product of his heart and soul. We just don't want it, since he is a retard and the mentioned product is crap."<br /><br />I love it! Can I use that/paraphrase it for a forum .sig? :)Artoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03445651644451198082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-39136432805570538152009-10-27T15:08:11.285+01:002009-10-27T15:08:11.285+01:00Why not let visitors decide which comments are wor...Why not let visitors decide which comments are worthwhile with a +/- rating system, and hide low rated comments with the option to view them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18893399079542677632009-10-23T22:21:23.544+02:002009-10-23T22:21:23.544+02:00I really wonder how you manage to know how long so...I really wonder how you manage to know how long someone "stays" on a particular blog post. I mean, I load the page in my browser or feed reader and that's all you'll ever see. You cannot see when I close the tab or just move to another blog.<br />Even if I klick through your blog, I might first middle-klick on every link that appears to be interesting, reading them all after one another without you ever being able to determine how long I read a particular post.<br /><br />May be I'm a troll now for posting something not entirely aligned with the main topic. I think I can live with that.Deltatangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14870498467548182181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-50167890047781713782009-10-23T20:03:14.888+02:002009-10-23T20:03:14.888+02:00I think what a number of people are missing is tha...I think what a number of people are missing is that there is a difference between trolls and idiots.<br /><br />The idiots are those that post nonsense. The Trolls are the ones there to get a rise out of you (or other commenters). These have to be decently thought out arguments (like the one on Tobold's post), or they are simply ignored.<br /><br />Obviously the point of Tobold's post was that he found a reasonable way to 'buy' gold with out breaking the rules. Sure, logging into his wife's account is breaking the rules, however it is a completely different type of rule breaking, that is unrelated to the issue at hand, and not required for his method (he could have had his wife do it).<br /><br />People bring up that Tobold often talks about being a stickler for the rules, that is ALSO unrelated to the post, however the troll decided to jump on him for that aspect in order to start a flame war (or something to that effect).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03695811439211505233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40015690538067443742009-10-23T13:07:39.980+02:002009-10-23T13:07:39.980+02:00"honest opinions of a primitive mind"
I..."honest opinions of a primitive mind"<br /><br />I love this line so much. Now everytime my fiance pisses me off, I will use that line on him.Miss Medicinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722915845184864567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91260571756065083172009-10-23T13:04:44.857+02:002009-10-23T13:04:44.857+02:00i would like to share more information tReds uk wh...i would like to share more information tReds uk which produce shoes for man and woman.Converse UKhttp://treds.co.uk/manufacturer/converse/21/1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29658497490837462302009-10-23T09:56:47.255+02:002009-10-23T09:56:47.255+02:00"Another would be to point out that your cont..."Another would be to point out that your continued use of Tobold for an example would indicate a man-crush on his eloquece."<br /><br />Didn't you get the memo? <a href="http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-secret-evil-twin-identity.html" rel="nofollow">Gevlon is Tobold!!</a><br /><br />But seriously, I agree with Gevlon. It's his blog, he runs the place. He sets the topic, and it's fully his right to say "I don't want to discuss this" or "this is distracting from what I'm trying to say". Most comments (including many of mine) are crap, trollish or not. Pretty much everyone who comes here comes here for Gevlon's thoughts, not Anonymous's thoughts on Gevlon's thoughts or Anonymous's thoughts on something tangential.<br /><br />(and yes, I recognize that by that standard, Gevlon's free to (and probably should) delete this post for the opening joke)ZachPruckowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15952603904161496266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57996928475178534392009-10-23T03:25:15.369+02:002009-10-23T03:25:15.369+02:00ur bolg stoopud
i cum her 2 mak ez goldz n u qq @ ...ur bolg stoopud<br />i cum her 2 mak ez goldz n u qq @ trollz<br /><br />The above is arguably simpler illustration of the point that you are trying to make.<br /><br />Another would be to point out that your continued use of Tobold for an example would indicate a man-crush on his eloquece.<br /><br />Simply because I chose to post an idea inspired by reading your blog doesnt make it correct, useful, on topic, or even marketable. I have no desire to sway the godlike power you hold over this blog, or that same power that the Blizz devs have on their game. I enjoy reading and playing, hell I even through out the random comment from time to time, but dont have any desire to have a lively conversation with Gevlon or Blizzard. I will simply continue to read/play until such a time where either I grow completely bored with what is offered, or a better option presensts itself. Delete me/Nerf me/Ignore me at your disgression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57347090046281556252009-10-23T02:05:02.562+02:002009-10-23T02:05:02.562+02:00The guy in your example from Tobold's site is ...The guy in your example from Tobold's site is NOT a troll.<br /><br />His comment was indeed on topic. The topic being, how to legally get gold to your new toons.<br /><br />You just see it as a troll because it disagrees with the blogger...and because you see anyone that disagrees with you as a troll.<br /><br />Trolling is not merely stating an opposing viewpoint, or pointing out a gap in the bloggers logic.<br /><br />Trolling is an attempt insult, cause trouble, or derail a thread COMPLETELY off course. <br /><br />And yes.. I am anonymous. Deal with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24744459986042830322009-10-23T02:01:21.863+02:002009-10-23T02:01:21.863+02:00Tobold is an excellent writer and recently took a ...Tobold is an excellent writer and recently took a "Summer Break" from blogging at least partly because of the unpleasantness of dealing with trolls. <br /><br />He is an idealist (IMO), and his previous policy was to not filter comments at all. He now reviews comments prior to posting, but is still quite resistant to deleting as I think he wants to see unedited and spirited discussion with comments coming in real time instead of bunches after review.<br /><br />I agree with both Tobold's and Gevlon's views on the topic, but I definitely enjoy reading Gevlon's comments more because he will remove pointless posters and asshats (in HIS opinion). And I think it gives a better forum for people with honest ideas and counter-arguments, as well as helping to clarify his point of view.Bristalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82147236585009048652009-10-22T23:10:32.652+02:002009-10-22T23:10:32.652+02:00thank you for writing for the silent reader!thank you for writing for the silent reader!Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296697308918246805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87321218566194646252009-10-22T21:15:12.012+02:002009-10-22T21:15:12.012+02:00i tinks you are rong Mr. Goblin.
/lol lol
Blizza...i tinks you are rong Mr. Goblin.<br /><br />/lol lol<br /><br />Blizzard changes game to make more moneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-77399261508756120822009-10-22T20:50:12.048+02:002009-10-22T20:50:12.048+02:00I complete agree with you Gevlon. (Ah, with except...I complete agree with you Gevlon. (Ah, with exception about what Kevin talked, im with Kevin - I love blizzard changes and im in those 30% you talked ) .Alessandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982648951796142381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64509999388523696162009-10-22T19:42:07.130+02:002009-10-22T19:42:07.130+02:00*No skilled player has approved Blizzard's gam...*No skilled player has approved Blizzard's game changes. (if you make 2200+ DPS and can clear the content on normal, you are in the top 30% skilled)*<br /><br />According to that affirmation, I'm on the 30% skilled top, and I LOVE Blizzard's game changes.<br /><br />You may want a "more challenging" game, but the rest of us mere mortals (the great mayority of the WoW player base) just want to have a good time. Without stupid grinds, without being "left behind" in progression for stop raiding for two months because of Real Life issues...<br /><br />You may think it's "unfair" to "give free gear" to a guy that didn't raid in two months just to catch up.<br /><br />Well I disagree. He having more gear doesn't mean you will have less. Gear in WoW is an unlimited resource. Why do the elitist jerks of WoW (not the site) have to feel superior to others in order to have fun?<br /><br />Back on the trolling issue, the anonymous first comment was valid, but his attitude of still atacking Tobold after he explained himself was that of a troll.<br /><br />My aproach would be in this case the same as yours Gev: Deleting the post, and fixing the main post if necessary.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321453208601931279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65036051947884313192009-10-22T19:25:09.248+02:002009-10-22T19:25:09.248+02:00The only problem is that most people are too stupi...The only problem is that most people are too stupid to see a troll post and end up thinkin git is serious.<br /><br />Go to Somethingawful.com. They have competitions setting up co-ordinated trolls and laugh at the idiots who reply thinking its serious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-49632097542176894492009-10-22T18:34:02.079+02:002009-10-22T18:34:02.079+02:00The people defending the troll in these comments g...The people defending the troll in these comments give me a headache. Get your heads out of the books and crawl out of your basement once in a while.<br /><br />People picking apart every word wrote on how Tolbold mentioned the "legal" way he did it or strictly following the ToS.<br /><br />My job has rules/laws that when read come across as ridiculous. But, they were put in place to cover our buts in odd situations and would only be enforced in probalby .01% of the violations.<br /><br />Sometimes good ol' common sense let's us look past these technicalities in the wording. Trolls see it the other way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82173100300621916352009-10-22T16:57:40.264+02:002009-10-22T16:57:40.264+02:00I agree with you and see the logic of not blogging...I agree with you and see the logic of not blogging for the 1-10% just as WOW is not creating, tweaking, patching content for the 10% of WOW players. I don't have to like it but I can certainly agree with you on it.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02916958489709266063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44432583655511087152009-10-22T16:40:50.667+02:002009-10-22T16:40:50.667+02:00"whole point of Tobold's post is that he ..."whole point of Tobold's post is that he used a *legal* way to transfer gold"<br /><br />The post was in fact a troll post by Gevlon's definition. The 'point' of the post was the transfer, which was in fact legal. The illegal activity, the account sharing, was not part of the main 'theme' of the post. Which by this definition is a troll.<br /><br />On Gevlon's blog, this would be a troll. On Tobold's or another where they would not mind exploring things tangential to the topic, it may not be considered a troll. It would be up to the blogger. Since Tobold did not delete it, I have to assume it is not trolling to him, as i have no other way to ascertain otherwise. Tobold has free reign to delete any and all posts on his blog.<br /><br />How does blizzard handle different topics? They have a forum to allow multiple threads. Therefore posting in a thread on a subject is a waste of space. On a blog, is it as clear cut? Depends on What the Blogger would like to achieve with his or her blog.<br /><br />-TyTynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22019679027970030022009-10-22T16:30:45.870+02:002009-10-22T16:30:45.870+02:00As one who hasn't commented here and usually j...As one who hasn't commented here and usually just reads - I read all the comments, they are (to me) as enjoyable or more than the original idea in the entry. In many cases someone has made a comment I might have said and it seems pointless to just post an /agree comment.<br /><br />In regards to Tobold's situation, I'm sure they have shared finances so both game accounts are likely paid from a bank account with his and his wife's name on it so I don't see any violation of TOS there. I also don't see it as buying gold, just paying $20 to move it from one of their characters to another.Zernamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42309307866176884102009-10-22T15:59:36.501+02:002009-10-22T15:59:36.501+02:00As a (mostly) silent reader who reads this blog be...As a (mostly) silent reader who reads this blog because of what Gevlon writes, as opposed to what Anonymous writes, I say: Thanks.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83386689226438967162009-10-22T15:39:18.102+02:002009-10-22T15:39:18.102+02:00I am a silent reader. Been reading for a long time...I am a silent reader. Been reading for a long time, never commented. I'm going to keep not commenting after this post. Keep the trolls in line, and the writing top-notch.mohujuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06866522369427364900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48236062406968472009-10-22T15:23:08.784+02:002009-10-22T15:23:08.784+02:00The biggest problem is that trolls want to feel im...The biggest problem is that trolls want to feel important without putting the legwork in. They get a captive audience (the blog readers) and put their opinions out there and look smart and give their views. If they're so opinionated, why don't they develop their own reader base instead of derailing a perfectly good blog.<br /><br />And yes, the tobold situation was trolling. Tobold found a way to transfer gold legally, even if he broke the ToS when he did it. You can still do it legally, and the troll's whinning didn't point that part out.Fricasseehttp://www.gamingdiaries.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88580043804318287812009-10-22T14:58:55.498+02:002009-10-22T14:58:55.498+02:00@Last anonymous: the difference comes from audienc...@Last anonymous: the difference comes from audience. When there is a conversation between 2-5 people, all is fair what the others allow. <br /><br />However on a blog there are 100x more people reading silently. If you allow trolling, they will simply leave and never come back.<br /><br />Granted, you may delete a comment that would actually make them stay. That's your risk and your call.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57724353113351255342009-10-22T14:41:11.780+02:002009-10-22T14:41:11.780+02:00Tobold actually illustrates a salient point: real ...Tobold actually illustrates a salient point: real conversation flows organically and good insight often comes from a tangent that was not the original point. Comments, whether you like it or not, serve as a conversation between author and fellow readers.<br /><br />It's popular to hate trolls, but nobody thinks of it as trolling when two people read the same book and come out with two different opinions like "I love the characters" or "it was poorly written."<br /><br />Those are two very different points, and the latter would be considered trolling in the blogosphere, but you wouldn't think twice about it in conversation. How do we justify that? How can you decide what reaction/comments a person should have regarding what they've read? When I write for print publication, I generally feel like if the readers miss my point, I failed to write effectively. When blog readers miss our point, we blame them without reflecting on the quality of our presentation. Why is that?<br /><br />And when people consume written compositions, they always have a reaction. Some provide feedback and some don't. Bloggers, myself included, often get annoyed with "demands" placed on them, but we've put ourselves out there and it's the engaged readers who care enough to share their thoughts. If you don't believe that, take two people who read the same book, one hating it, one loving it, and see who you can get to talk about it more. <br /><br />In many ways, I think conversation and original thought will suffer from this filtering of thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86092301926388966992009-10-22T14:12:35.556+02:002009-10-22T14:12:35.556+02:00The best strategy is the make it so only the troll...The best strategy is the make it so only the troll himself can see his comments. That way he wont realise that he's been censored and will just get bored of people not rising to his troll bait.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com