tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post3980095481221176838..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Weekend minipost: CSM 10Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85763919340559613932015-03-22T17:57:27.170+01:002015-03-22T17:57:27.170+01:00I meant that I considered him a troll AFTER readin...I meant that I considered him a troll AFTER reading his introduction post. He cited no skills, achievements or plans.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82942461163084165382015-03-22T17:30:03.887+01:002015-03-22T17:30:03.887+01:00"@Anonymous: I've never even heard the na..."@Anonymous: I've never even heard the name Chance Ravinne before I made the election recommendation post and then I considered him a random troll who applied while drunk."<br /><br />That you have never heard of him says nothing about his e-popularity. That you consider people you had not heard of to be random trolls who applied is neither here nor there.<br /><br />That you cannot be bothered to research for 5 seconds on google before declaring someone a troll does not make your declaration fact.<br /><br />People who do not bother to research frequently get mocked by yourself, do you hold yourself to different standards?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17459629866131062072015-03-22T14:44:56.577+01:002015-03-22T14:44:56.577+01:00"The concept of an NDA eludes you. If they sp..."The concept of an NDA eludes you. If they spill the beans they get prosecuted."<br /><br />I understand the concept of an NDA. And that it essentially neuters the CSM. It's hard to be a "Player Advocate" if you can't tell the players things until it is too late. It's like having a lawyer that can't tell you about why you're on trial until after the verdict is read. <br /><br />"The CSM looks the way it does because you and people like you didn't vote. If you don't like it then vote for change and try to rally everyone you know to do the same, you can't really complain about the CSM otherwise."<br /><br />The old "If you don't vote, you don't have the right to complain" fallacy. I'm not complaining about the CSM, I just see them as a publicity stunt. I'm sure Sugar Kyle, who clearly works very hard at this, would take offense... and I'm sorry that it would, but that doesn't change the fact that CCP will do whatever they want under the umbrella of NDA and tell you about it later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3653283134924989182015-03-22T11:41:42.550+01:002015-03-22T11:41:42.550+01:00@Daniel: I've read his campaign post again and...@Daniel: I've read his campaign post again and again after he got elected https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=398366<br /><br />I still don't see an error when I classified him as "troll" and couldn't be bothered to google more about him.<br /><br />I see neither past achievements nor future promises in that post, just buzzwords.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4636733232792640642015-03-22T10:15:20.528+01:002015-03-22T10:15:20.528+01:00lorelei said:
"@Daniel - If one does not at l...lorelei said:<br />"@Daniel - If one does not at least try to change us clueless players into players with a clue... then nothing will change."<br /><br />and this is exactly it.<br />why the demand towards others?<br />why not change and educate you yourself?<br />allthough i dislike that ccp doesn't advertise the csm election properly in the launcher, on the other hand it' players with that attitude that shoudln't be voting - just like in the real world where most people buy a newspaper every day, but only read it for the sportnews; tbh, i do not really want them to vote for a government, cause their choice won't be an educated (good) one.<br />cagali got the most brave/hero votes, was he really the best brave/hero candidate?<br /><br /><br />gev said:<br />" I've never even heard the name Chance Ravinne before[...]"<br /><br />that you still not educate yourself too much about this game is well known.danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6727205262068381062015-03-22T07:50:19.633+01:002015-03-22T07:50:19.633+01:00@Provi Miner: Core signed the document of shame. E...@Provi Miner: Core signed the document of shame. End of story. Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72263328199262290132015-03-22T06:47:21.513+01:002015-03-22T06:47:21.513+01:00Chance is WingspanTT. He was in the This is EVE vi...Chance is WingspanTT. He was in the <i>This is EVE</i> video.. so he's hardly a nobody. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32771464000727551912015-03-22T06:38:23.675+01:002015-03-22T06:38:23.675+01:00"I have 3 accounts, I voted on none of them. ..."I have 3 accounts, I voted on none of them. What's the point? CCP is going to do whatever the hell they want anyway. The CSM looks like nothing but a sham."<br /><br />The CSM looks the way it does because you and people like you didn't vote. If you don't like it then vote for change and try to rally everyone you know to do the same, you can't really complain about the CSM otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64580155604970589452015-03-22T06:25:52.306+01:002015-03-22T06:25:52.306+01:00"If the CCP wasn't a sham, they would hav..."If the CCP wasn't a sham, they would have been the ones to reveal Entosis, not CCP Fozzle in his blog."<br /><br />The concept of an NDA eludes you. If they spill the beans they get prosecuted.Urziel99https://www.blogger.com/profile/05670908975770081109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9019897503317688362015-03-22T05:38:41.553+01:002015-03-22T05:38:41.553+01:00I had to google how to vote for CSM 10 to end up o...I had to google how to vote for CSM 10 to end up on the right page and then to learn I missed the deadline by 2 days. I wish there would have been a nagging reminder <b>in game</b> to make me cast my vote (or optionally to let me cast no vote at all). I am severely annoyed with the results now.frierenderWienerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12125839507759463636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46764092431946024142015-03-22T05:05:49.550+01:002015-03-22T05:05:49.550+01:00Reason I did not vote: it happened so fast and the...Reason I did not vote: it happened so fast and there was nothing inside the game that reminded me to vote. I wanted to, but with RL precedence, family and other stuff, The small rotating banner on the launcher was too small a real reminder, and only reading your post now made me remember what I did not do. <br />I judt think, make it part of the eve client and not just a forum game - I would really have appreciated a reminder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28869182413869685332015-03-22T01:38:56.142+01:002015-03-22T01:38:56.142+01:00wow you still don't get it, core is all about ...wow you still don't get it, core is all about the small gang pvp, and opening up null to all of eve. if you actually bothered to research you know where these candidates stand. Do you have any idea how many care bears core represents? its provi for goodness sakes we are the epitome of small gang war fare and mission running. We certainly have no interest in the blue doughnut other than when they are at peace we get more stuff to shoot. But meh. Provi Minernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-77590544362633953852015-03-21T23:45:57.823+01:002015-03-21T23:45:57.823+01:00Hahahaha corbexx just joined t he goons... LMFAO
...Hahahaha corbexx just joined t he goons... LMFAO<br /><br />Chance Ravinne is space-popular. He has a Youtube channel in which he shows his adventures as a stealth bomber pilot who roams in wh-space.<br /><br />His videos are mostly funny because he is relatively new to the game and often makes hilarious mistakes while he does not take himself too serious...<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980196122718057307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4339592434627771172015-03-21T18:24:34.625+01:002015-03-21T18:24:34.625+01:00Ok, so 37K accounts voted. Out of what, around 400...Ok, so 37K accounts voted. Out of what, around 400K? That's less than 10%<br /><br />I have 3 accounts, I voted on none of them. What's the point? CCP is going to do whatever the hell they want anyway. The CSM looks like nothing but a sham.<br /><br />Case in point, the new "sov" system with the Entosis links. Do you seriously think CSM9 was in on that? CCP just came up with it in a vacuum and dumped it out.<br /><br />If the CCP wasn't a sham, they would have been the ones to reveal Entosis, not CCP Fozzle in his blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53521059052831750622015-03-21T14:21:52.782+01:002015-03-21T14:21:52.782+01:00@Anonymous: I've never even heard the name Cha...@Anonymous: I've never even heard the name Chance Ravinne before I made the election recommendation post and then I considered him a random troll who applied while drunk.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74361966531467498432015-03-21T14:16:58.103+01:002015-03-21T14:16:58.103+01:00You don't know why people would have voted for...You don't know why people would have voted for Chance Ravinne?<br /><br />Perhaps he leveraged his referrals to eve, perhaps people wanted someone who is interested in expanding the reach of Eve, perhaps people liked his NPE suggestions, perhaps marketers and ad guys are good at selling things :)<br /><br />You of all people should know that being in a "small corp no one knows about" does not preclude influence and people knowing about you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13072499853726568352015-03-21T13:03:46.562+01:002015-03-21T13:03:46.562+01:00@Daniel - If one does not at least try to change u...@Daniel - If one does not at least try to change us clueless players into players with a clue... then nothing will change.<br />(change here would be good!)<br /><br />@Gevlon - But with just one or two mouseclicks to let the world know he *knows* of the Election, but just is not interested enough... would at least let us know that people who have the opportunity to vote know that they have the opportunity, and *choose* not to.<br /><br />There are enough bloggers, commentators around that can help with filtering out the candidates. There is even a website that helps you find candidates that match yourself... it works relatively good (I filled it out, then came back later in a rush, clicked quickly through the questions going with a "gut" feeling... and still got an 85% match with me - the main differences were in the area of "null" questions).<br /><br /><b>There are enough tools out there... it is just letting people know that they are there... and giving them the chance to <i>actively and knowlingly</i> choose to use them (or not). Just like with D-Scan!</b>Lorelei Ierendihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01551678688685976800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64510401936144176182015-03-21T12:03:41.328+01:002015-03-21T12:03:41.328+01:00"Ishtar nerf will further nerf 0.0 income&quo..."Ishtar nerf will further nerf 0.0 income"<br /><br />afair the ishtars sentry damage gets a nerf, while the so called afktar or isktar utilizes heavy drones.<br /><br />it's not like the csm election was heavily advertised for in the launcher - one could discuss why, but i think it's on purpose; or do you really want a few hundred thousand clueless players to vote your csm?danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71727150024098809802015-03-21T11:32:07.838+01:002015-03-21T11:32:07.838+01:00Well, although CSM has been constantly full of 0.0...Well, although CSM has been constantly full of 0.0 lobbyists, CCP has begun an immense project:<br /><br />NERF 0.0 TO CRAP. So far, they have been more successful than in any other projects.<br /><br />Jump fatigue has severly limited long distance movements, skynet nerf will get rid of carriers as they do not put out significantly more dps than a machariel which warps away much faster than a clumsy capital...<br /><br />Ishtar nerf will further nerf 0.0 income<br /><br />BUT!!!!!<br /><br />The real problem is not the 0.0 resident who earns "too much", the real problem is the immense wealth amassments afk and passively through moon go which is cotrolled by a happy few, which in exchange finance their RL living with it.<br /><br />CCP is to blame and no one else, neither mittens nor nc. nor PL or any other people making zillions of isk and laundring it....<br /><br />So far, CCP are acting very altruisticly, they let all the RMT'ers in a share of the money that can be made of EVE. Monex that CCP lacks for hiring decen CRM managers and paying decent salaries to competent game devs...<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980196122718057307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84701113531351411472015-03-21T10:37:16.970+01:002015-03-21T10:37:16.970+01:00@Lorelei Ierendi: just because he knows about its ...@Lorelei Ierendi: just because he knows about its existence, he won't bother.<br /><br />Voting needs one to read 75!!! introduction posts. Why would any line member do that?! The usual way is that their corp leadership does it and then give recommendation. The line Goon probably had no clue who is Thoric Frosthammer, he just voted for him because told to.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57549975327348709152015-03-21T09:51:41.016+01:002015-03-21T09:51:41.016+01:00There is still no real way to differentiate betwee...There is still no real way to differentiate between apathy, and ignorance. How many casual high sec miner-bears even know that there is a CSM??<br /><br />My idea would have been for CCP to make one of those annoying popups on log in (like before the downtime) that you have to actively click away... at least then even those who never read the forums could not claim ignorance.<br /><br />Or reintroducing some kind of "I don't want to / care enough to vote" option for the elections... so people can register their disinterest.<br /><br />I won't give up on High Sec yet... but it is going to be a long year!Lorelei Ierendihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01551678688685976800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78863900596403928602015-03-21T09:47:33.306+01:002015-03-21T09:47:33.306+01:00@Sasha Nyemtsov: I did offer one solution: non-war...@Sasha Nyemtsov: I did offer one solution: non-wardeccable highsec corps.<br /><br />Highsec players are playing totally solo, being connected to no community at all. People with no micro-community are known to be politically inactive, since micro-community connects them to the macro-community.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6206434768608181852015-03-21T09:21:37.909+01:002015-03-21T09:21:37.909+01:00Gevlon,
We know well that voter apathy is a featu...Gevlon,<br /><br />We know well that voter apathy is a feature of many democracies. Most of those which do boast compulsory national voting provide get-outs, weakening enforcement of the rules (http://www.idea.int/vt/compulsory_voting.cfm).<br /><br />You correctly identify this phenomenon in CSM voting but offer no solution in this particular post. If you have one, I'd genuinely like to hear it!<br /><br />I'm one of those who struggle to understand the relevance of the CSM in its current form.<br /><br />I voted, but in the manner of one who stands among a group of people trying to influence the weather. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11449740026576310542015-03-21T06:44:45.023+01:002015-03-21T06:44:45.023+01:00Mike voices lots of opinions, he just doesn't ...Mike voices lots of opinions, he just doesn't deal in absolutes which is why most people on any extreme, (CODE, Goons, You) don't like him. Sion went so far as to call him an anarchist. Mike took it as a complimentUrziel99https://www.blogger.com/profile/05670908975770081109noreply@blogger.com