tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post3801326594928728786..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Guide to genuine new playersGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28114661967761185672010-09-26T00:41:12.292+02:002010-09-26T00:41:12.292+02:00I hear references to daily and weekly dungeons. Wh...I hear references to daily and weekly dungeons. What does that mean? Is theer a special event that a player can only do once a week?<br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91619867777214592852010-09-23T05:58:56.981+02:002010-09-23T05:58:56.981+02:00I think this post is something that could easily b...I think this post is something that could easily be referenced by the broader community, as it is an excellent summary. kudos Goblin.<br /><br />The folks who just reference the Urls of resource sites and expect a major increase in understanding are forgetting that the new player does not understand the fundementals, or the context of the information, so won't appreciate the dedicated resources. They have no way to access the level of detail. Posts like this one really help. <br /><br />This also holds true for plasyers that level an alt slowly, and therefore never really get absorbed in the perfect performance intil they reach max level. My Priest was an example of this.<br /><br />As for the idiot who was looking for free crafting, he represents the sub-set of the community who we'd be better off without; and its no coincidence that his name is something plainly superficial. <br /><br />A rose by any other name would smell as sweet..or as foul in this case.typhoonandrewhttp://typhoonandrew.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75798618413272619192010-09-23T02:36:14.612+02:002010-09-23T02:36:14.612+02:00I hope that most players already know most of this...I hope that most players already know most of this by the time they hit 80, but yes, there are morons out there, or player who just doesn't know yet.<br /><br />There is a huge difference between a newbie willing to learn and S&Ms that thinks they are good. The difference is immense. I see it every week at the gym, where I work out. The concept is the same, and those "lo ldwag im stud check this out i gained dis much weight bro" who's just started don't realize that this is the easy part.<br />You're far from good. In fact, you've only just begun.<br /><br />And that's how WoW is. From level 1 to 80 is a introduction to your class, but most people doesn't understand that. They RAF (steroids where?) and generally gets boosted. Benchwarmers.<br /><br />I agree in alot of what you are saying Givlon, and I am far from a clever being, but what makes me more competent than other retards, is the fact that I am willing to learn and I know that there's always something left unlearned.<br /><br />You've inspired me to start writing a blog in dedication to help new rogues in endgame content, and hopefully, it will. I also hope that you'll read it at some point.<br /><br />//Greetings from nobody.Bonebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14617319068831807991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40554368940847085192010-09-22T21:59:49.095+02:002010-09-22T21:59:49.095+02:00@Anon 01:58-
The level 60 and 70 raids are still ...@Anon 01:58-<br /><br />The level 60 and 70 raids are still there, with the same mobs and bosses as always, except for the original Onyxia and Naxx (ZG will disappear completely in Cataclysm). If you haven't seen them, it can be fun to get some friends together and spend an evening rampaging your way through. A few of the fights are actually even interesting, with mechanics which can't simply be overpowered.Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5291071013596105552010-09-22T11:30:44.803+02:002010-09-22T11:30:44.803+02:00As a long time reader of your blog, I commend you ...As a long time reader of your blog, I commend you on this post. Its generally overlooked that there are "new" players in this game and not every new 80 is an alt.<br />I'm currently beta testing cataclysm, and one of the viewpoints I have is ; how friendly the game is to new players.<br />As I say not everyone is a number cruncher or an alt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19633036326567934462010-09-22T10:40:29.160+02:002010-09-22T10:40:29.160+02:00Another thing to add for new dps might be how to r...Another thing to add for new dps might be how to react when they do get agro. Your new player might not be pulling agro of the tank, but he might still hit a non aggroed target. All to often a tank will taunt a non-agroed mob of a dps’r to see it go back to him, simply because he keeps going all out on it. <br /><br />If you get agro, stop dps’ing that particular target so the tank can get it of you. Move closer to the tank so his aoe threat will include that target. (go stand inside that death and decay, desecrate, etc.) <br /><br />You can however use some defensive skill, crowd control the mob, or use a skill that lowers your threat. <br /><br />Another pointer might be that when fighting multiple enemies using aoe damage skills will not only do more damage in total, they will also lower the chance of you pulling a mob of the tank than when you single target a in a big group. Pulling threat of the tank is less likely to occur when you target the same enemy as the tank. (Use assist on the tank to select your target.) <br /><br />These are general pointers for new dps that apply to all classes imo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48315280698273630792010-09-22T08:43:18.005+02:002010-09-22T08:43:18.005+02:00Gevlon, please dont implie to hunters that strengt...Gevlon, please dont implie to hunters that strength is good. I have a hard enough time as it is beating melee out of some of them. On the subject of paying for advice, I remember when i tried to go mm and my dps fell. I couldnt figure out the how or why. I had an ensidia talent spec, the right glyphs the right rotation. It just wasnt happening. So I spammed trade for 2 hours for a good mm to comne help me, offering gold of course. Was mocked and laughed at by the trolls and ignored by everyone else. I eventually gave up and I raid as survival. Still havent made that jump and yes I have tried. No idea what I am doing wrong.nightgerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555431875907240808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26784513211854160772010-09-22T08:31:45.173+02:002010-09-22T08:31:45.173+02:00Ditto Nathan regarding DD meaning direct damage to...Ditto Nathan regarding DD meaning direct damage to veteran MMO players. <br /><br />DPS is the defining trait of that role in the trinity, which is why most refer to it as such.Jezebeauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11181524699823249749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58997915766759553732010-09-22T06:38:27.958+02:002010-09-22T06:38:27.958+02:00@Anon
To me DD means Direct Damage (as opposed t...@Anon <br /><br />To me DD means Direct Damage (as opposed to a DoT, Damage over Time). This is more of hold over from EQ where there were DD damage classes and DoT damage classes. Still true in WoW, but less important. <br /><br />@Melanthor<br /><br />I agree with the instance experiences, only it didn't usually bother me so much. Often the tanks that were having agro problems knew it, they were just learning. Some of mine even improved significantly in the fights. You're right though, there are plenty of morons who want to stay morons. <br /><br />I have to agree with the official forums too. While the information there is sometimes wrong, it's a great place to start. There is usually a (outdated) guide stickied at the top of the class forums that gives a nice overview of what's going on. As a balance druid it was where I got my information (from some of the top balance druid theory crafters) before I found/could understand sites like graymatter. <br /><br />Finally, not everyone who levels to 80 does so in a way most endgame players expect. My boss is a 60+ attorney who has played a few hours a week for years. He only recently hit 80. He never grouped since he usually only played for 30 min or so before bed, and didn't know what a raid was. To him this was just another video game. He was amazed that there were sites out there devoted to the game and how to play it. Googling would have only taken him seconds, but you have to expect the information to be there first. It's not second nature to everyone.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02746167924889094460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-50313149241299029132010-09-22T03:21:49.886+02:002010-09-22T03:21:49.886+02:00@Bobbins: "If you get to lvl 80 and do not kn...@Bobbins: "If you get to lvl 80 and do not know the basics you have been seriously boosted by other players."<br /><br />This is absolutely not a given.<br /><br />It is perfectly easy to reach level 80 and not know many of the basics, because you did it all solo, never getting a boost from anyone nor even maybe <i>talking</i> to anyone!<br /><br />You certainly won't know anything about the trinity if you never grouped.<br /><br />Your spell rotation, talents, glyphs, gear choices etc. could be all over the place, and it won't be a barrier to successful solo questing and levelling.<br /><br />If you didn't take enchanting as one of your professions, you may well not know anything about how enchants work, or even that they exist!Carson 63000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10900682924502279486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79369352430861506422010-09-22T01:58:11.824+02:002010-09-22T01:58:11.824+02:00Is there any raiding at level 60 or 70? If not, wh...Is there any raiding at level 60 or 70? If not, what happened with the old instances? just empty? Can you visit them with your lvl 80?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87304651663859486402010-09-22T01:33:07.685+02:002010-09-22T01:33:07.685+02:00You shall make another pass at this Gevlon. Your ...You shall make another pass at this Gevlon. Your guide can be summed up in your first paragraph plus the recommendation to find a class/spec-specific expert. Since the second part is key, the lack of external resources is striking. <br /><br />A simple list of resources by class would be more helpful for many new players than trying to describe what makes a good talent build in general terms. A hunter asking for help on a hunter forum or from a helpful hunter in-game will back into what an enchant is as he's advised to get a hunter-appropriate one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2153275377690758122010-09-22T01:30:30.061+02:002010-09-22T01:30:30.061+02:00There are a lot of people who I know that start pl...There are a lot of people who I know that start playing and have no real guidance. In my first guild the arms warrior(our gm) told me druids don't need to cc just outheal and run away... this is just one of many bad examples that a lot of people get from the infection that your"M&S" spread. A lot of baddies aren't bad just misinformed. I was also once told that a 71/0/0 arcane spec was better dps gemming plus resistance gems because you can stand in fire and do more damage. <br /><br />A lot of the bad could be fixed if more people trolled less on mmochamp,wow forums and such since it runs off a lot of people from bothering to ask questions but that most likely will never happen.<br /><br />So grats gevlon...looks like the tinman actually has a heart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33168556721468261972010-09-22T01:10:50.467+02:002010-09-22T01:10:50.467+02:00A 'helpful' guide from you is like a guide...A 'helpful' guide from you is like a guide to surviving heat exhaustion written by Satan. "Stop whining, Sinner! You deserve what you get! The End"<br /><br />When I come across someone who is obviously playing the character wrong (Like a druid trying to tank in Cat Form and thinking its totally viable) I try to help by telling something that I know... because that's what someone did for me once upon a time. You talk as if you don't remember at all a time when you didn't know the optimal configuration of your chosen class, and anyone who does not is completely inferior. I learned to play by PLAYING, not by reading... admittedly I learned how to fine tune my playing by looking a few things up which helped, but I'm not going to spend hours slogging through walk-throughs of every raid before I enter it for the first time. Who does things like that? Even the most hardcore fan goes into those new dungeons blind the first few times, because that's why he/she loves the game in the first place!<br /><br />All that said, I've gotten much good info from your blog about gold and being asocial... this particular post just seems very out of character for you.Nikodhemushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165891420642892313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6583141380593762602010-09-22T01:00:18.795+02:002010-09-22T01:00:18.795+02:00If someone offered to pay me 100g for a bit of hel...If someone offered to pay me 100g for a bit of help, i would help them out. Most people don't even have the courtesy to say "hey this person time is worth something and they are helping me." Just like the level 20's that beg me for a gold for talents, if they take my advice about the boars outside being able to pay for the repairs and i follow them there, i toss them 100g just for taking the effort to do stuff for themselves.<br /><br />I like to think of it as promoting none m&s in the game.shanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89534074317370117462010-09-21T23:50:36.750+02:002010-09-21T23:50:36.750+02:00Good guide. Ignorance in this case is quite unders...Good guide. Ignorance in this case is quite understandable. I levelled my first character from 1 to 70 during Burning Crusade. There is not much within in the game to suggest that there is anything beyond soloing quests and grouping up for dungeons. There is nothing in the mechanics of leveling that even begins to suggest what is required of a raider to be considered competent. I was not told when I started the game that I would either have to heavily research the work of others or have a strong background in mathematics and a lot of free time to determine the optimal method of doing damage. <br /><br />I have always had a mind capable of handling the endgame, it just took me at least a year to become aware of all the intricacies. Understanding triggered a paradigm shift. I didn't just learn how to play a feral cat druid late in Burning Crusade stretching into Wrath; I can now pick up any DPS class I haven't played (which there are still many) and be competent with them in a short amount of time. Many players as ignorant as I was develop into strong players once they fully realize that they are getting into a different game.<br /><br />In a sense, I can easily imagine situations in which an up and comer might be frustrated by the elitism of established players-- I am guilty of it myself, although it usually goes unspoken (I often dismiss poor performing players without a second thought). While that jadedness is a valuable defense mechanism against morons and slackers, the shield should be lowered for any player exercising any degree of humility; it's a tell-tale sign of potential.Conghailenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-47709836497164452002010-09-21T21:55:49.221+02:002010-09-21T21:55:49.221+02:00You might want to add that newbies paying Kingslay...You might want to add that newbies paying Kingslayers should also demand that they reach ~2000 DPS on a dummy before paying, otherwise Kingslayers might just mess around with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19705215652597232982010-09-21T21:43:22.801+02:002010-09-21T21:43:22.801+02:00Kingslayer not needed. You don't need someone ...Kingslayer not needed. You don't need someone with a PhD in abstract mathematics to learn simple algebra. You go to a high school teacher, who is FRIENDLY & HELPFUL (shudder).<br /><br />Gevlon, you're scaring me with all this niceness towards those that may need help. <br /><br />And your qualifier that they pay someone 500G is just ridiculous. That transaction would never work in WoW. Think of the ninja's that would swarm over a /trade request like that, Kingslayer or no.<br /><br />I think your post is actually suggesting that some people playing this game (like in life?), might benefit from something like...a social program?Bristalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849907713604626977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33501084612916629302010-09-21T20:59:17.114+02:002010-09-21T20:59:17.114+02:00"damage dealer (often wrongfully abbreviated ..."damage dealer (often wrongfully abbreviated to DPS)"<br /><br />Does the majority of english players even understand dd? Every german player knows that dd = damage dealer, because, obviously, that is the first abbreviation you think of for <b>D</b>amage <b>D</b>ealer.<br /><br />But when I used it on the Beta to search for group members the english players asked what it ment and I really couldn't believe that we had to explain to them this abbreviation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76412248406904458602010-09-21T20:46:52.647+02:002010-09-21T20:46:52.647+02:00@Larísa: impostor removed (and your comment referi...@Larísa: impostor removed (and your comment refering to him)<br /><br />@Wilson: the problem with newbies is that they have lot of questions as they lack basic ideas. While a kingslayer does not know better than the guide, he can answer to questions like "how can I change a stance" or "can I summon other pets than the imp". Also, he can notice that holy pala helm he's wearing (hey it's plate and has +crit).Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89130853555663805002010-09-21T20:30:25.652+02:002010-09-21T20:30:25.652+02:00I think it's important to also point these peo...I think it's important to also point these people towards resources like:<br /><br />http://thottbot.com<br />http://wowpopular.com<br />http://wowhead.com<br />http://www.wow.com<br />http://mmo-champion.com<br />http://justmytwocopper.org<br />http://worldofraids.com<br />http://elitistjerks.com<br /><br />These are great for getting your teeth sunk into things like news, gearing, gemming and the auction house.Euroconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88102664452326116822010-09-21T18:21:02.543+02:002010-09-21T18:21:02.543+02:00You should add a paragraph explaining what a damag...You should add a paragraph explaining what a damage meter is, and how to install one. This is fairly essential to improving your dps, but a fresh 80 may be completely clueless about how to find and install add ons.<br /><br />Also, instead of paying 500g to a kingslayer, I'd send someone to web sites like raider101.com, wowhead.com, wowpopular.com, or even maxdps.com. Just because someone has a title doesn't necessarily mean they can explain for shit. Even if they can, it is unlikely that they will have information that is significantly different. Somewhat better, possibly, but you don't need to pay a hefty fee to be told "gem for strength". Web sites also have the advantage of being available a day or seven later, when you are ready to learn more or want to check your progress.Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20971632659332565792010-09-21T16:30:14.379+02:002010-09-21T16:30:14.379+02:00This is a great intro guide. I remember when I hit...This is a great intro guide. I remember when I hit 80, I was an enhancement shaman with 18 hit rating, specced toughness, and using water shield. What a lot of the "You just hit 80" guides forget is that, when someone, especially with no mmo experience hits 80. They don't necessarily know what they're goal as a dps/healer/tank is. The dps might spec survivability talents for example, simply because he doesn't know that speccing all dps talents is what's expected of him. One of the worst parts of the game for me was hitting 80 and realizing I have to basically re-learn the game. Blizz should reduce this sharp rise in the learning curve somehow.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046775713361865907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46210651110697867652010-09-21T15:46:51.109+02:002010-09-21T15:46:51.109+02:00@ duskstorm
http://www.maxdps.com/
fits pretty muc...@ duskstorm<br />http://www.maxdps.com/<br />fits pretty much all of your requirementsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22747531512414994642010-09-21T15:13:16.628+02:002010-09-21T15:13:16.628+02:00There are no newbies at lvl 80. The amount of inf...There are no newbies at lvl 80. The amount of information available to players through a simple google search has never been greater.<br /><br />Did this person never think to google "wow + [their class]"? Or ever bother to click on a link in trade when someone is either asking for or trying to sell enchants?<br /><br />What you have found is someone who lacks the basic curiosity to even see if there are resources outside the game. By your own definition, this person is M&S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com