tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post3141719930094215894..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The goblin solution for gearGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9197479751229232262009-08-29T05:30:06.805+02:002009-08-29T05:30:06.805+02:00Back then it was harder to get gear. Getting that...Back then it was harder to get gear. Getting that first purple ment something.<br /><br />With the way the drop rates where, the gear was a good indicator of raid experience for the longest time.<br /><br />I raided months and never got an Arsong Mage Blade out of MC. Full sets were a lot more work to create.<br /><br />Now that still did not indicate gear=skill. I walked into MC on an alt mage in blues and out damaged the majority of the raiders that had it on farm.Kevin Marquettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16389030891301082770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52823597775186508802009-08-29T04:45:41.131+02:002009-08-29T04:45:41.131+02:00If you think that gear = skill (and you did say th...If you think that gear = skill (and you did say this in your opening statement) in vanilla wow you obviously never raided back then.<br /><br />The raids were actually easier back then. The ONLY hard part was organizing 40 people. The technical ability each person needed, and the difficulty of the encounters were much easier back then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36844744686848967352009-08-29T04:31:02.983+02:002009-08-29T04:31:02.983+02:00Yeah, but that first situation you described won&#...Yeah, but that first situation you described won't happen. Not necessarily because it's impossible, but because those people aren't the type to do it.Culdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023908502263165733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82740443333474841672009-08-29T02:50:58.384+02:002009-08-29T02:50:58.384+02:00@Almost Gone:
I think you are missing Gevlons poi...@Almost Gone:<br /><br />I think you are missing Gevlons point. There is nothing wrong with being a casual player that doesn't care about personal performance etc if you play with them. However if you try to be good you better make sure that you are doing it the right way and not only ask for [Epic] when people are joining your groups.<br /><br />@Yogg+0 debate, I think that Gevlon might've thought of the first yogg10+0 which was killed by Paragon on Lightning's Blade EU first. Sure they are a pretty good guild but has never been up this high as in Ulduar.Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330577437083018669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16183563150148278962009-08-29T02:36:41.177+02:002009-08-29T02:36:41.177+02:00But honestly I didn't remember that they were ...But honestly I didn't remember that they were those guys that cleared bc up to Illidan really fast (what was it? 8 weeks or something?) until someone told me.<br /><br />Jira, they transferred from China mainland to TW servers to be able to raid. They have more human resources than 99.9% of the guilds though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14004620959172035462009-08-29T00:33:18.685+02:002009-08-29T00:33:18.685+02:00That's also a market to be explored by guilds....That's also a market to be explored by guilds. Before WotLK hit and Amani War Bears where being removed from the game, the top guild in my server started carrying 2 people through the timed runs for 10k.<br /><br />Also, I payed 5k to have a chance at MTing Sunwell. Finding 24 other people who are up to the possibly hardest raid made so far is worth that amount of gold. Unfortunately, while being a tank makes puging and finding small guilds a breeze, working your way to the top ones is rarely a possibility. Guilds are usually built around a tank, so in most cases the GM is a tank or the guild has tanks that have be so since Vanilla.Otorinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9684288848242050732009-08-28T22:57:51.842+02:002009-08-28T22:57:51.842+02:00Jira
SK and Nihilim merged and forged ensidia(wit...Jira<br /><br />SK and Nihilim merged and forged ensidia(with only the best members). <br />If you paid any amount of attention in sunwell, i believe STARS ranked very high on killing Kil'Jaeden(3rd-6th world.... somewhere in there)<br /><br />My main point is, their accomplishments are out there, they aren't a no-named guild, they just are hyped like Ensidia. Hell, if STARS is no-named guild, i guess to most people Premo is a no-named guild. <br /><br />Back to why i posted in the first place.<br />-<br />Although he DOES have some good points, and i agree with them for the most part, i can't really accept how he declares yogg 0 beaten by some no-name guild that just tried something *different*. It just isn't true, they are hardcore raiders that have been on the cutting edge of ALL content available to them, and (call it due to strats/vids being on or whatever) have beaten all content much faster than Ensidia or anyone else for that matter.<br /><br />You just can't get off calling them no-named if you aren't going to even pay attention to top end raiding guilds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-37542157992204837942009-08-28T22:33:16.891+02:002009-08-28T22:33:16.891+02:00Honestly, I slightly agree with some of your point...Honestly, I slightly agree with some of your points, but you lost my support when you called STARS a no-named guild. Any raider worth their salt knew about them well back into burning crusader when they were steamrolling content(after US/EU admittedly) but exceptionally fast and in terrible gear as a result of their speed. I guess to an extent, they PROVE the point you've been trying to make over a year ago.<br /><br />_____________________<br /><br />You aren't really making his credibility depend of his knowledge from raidguilds?<br />I've cleared Ulduar (every hardmode except yogg+0 and +1, we somewhat failed at +1), I cleared Sunwell pre nerf and I seriously can't tell you much about raidguilds/groups. I know ensidia, SK-Gaming (do they actually still play?), exodus and yep I've heard from Stars. <br /><br />But honestly I didn't remember that they were those guys that cleared bc up to Illidan really fast (what was it? 8 weeks or something?) until someone told me.Jiranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76592398862249735452009-08-28T21:49:06.763+02:002009-08-28T21:49:06.763+02:00Bogus, you quoted me about stars.
It is not only ...Bogus, you quoted me about stars.<br /><br />It is not only the progression they had in WotLK, but they were impressive throughout TBC as well. They cleared all content with sub-par gear (BT included) while being months behind due to the expansion arriving way too late in mainland China. <br /><br />I think I can even remember them competing in Sunwell, while being behind gear wise. Their guild structure has always interested me (nothing like EU/US) and it might be worth writing articles about such a phenomenon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41787358190032707832009-08-28T19:37:00.095+02:002009-08-28T19:37:00.095+02:00One thing you should not over look now is the abil...One thing you should not over look now is the ability to purchase things that other people won.<br /><br />With loot able to be traded after the fact. You just have to pick a number they cannot turn down. I almost picked up a staff like that this week.<br /><br />I was still sporting a naxx staff on my reroll priest and a upgrade droped in ToC 10. I started to offer to buy it but when he mentioned it was a big upgrade for him too I backed off. I didn't say how much at the time.<br /><br />We were talking about it later and I mentioned I thought about droping 6k-7k gold on it he was a bit shocked.Kevin Marquettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16389030891301082770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42676509552138763252009-08-28T17:53:55.661+02:002009-08-28T17:53:55.661+02:00Your idea of "epics=good" in classic wow...Your idea of "epics=good" in classic wow is flawed. People could bot their way to rank 14 and be terrible, people were carried through high end raids despite being bad. Even in Naxx40 you could have 10-15 slackers be carried through. I do agree that achievements are the best indication of skill atm however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44759208235338911012009-08-28T17:52:37.251+02:002009-08-28T17:52:37.251+02:00Why does everyone post there little exceptions to ...Why does everyone post there little exceptions to the rule? Any person with half a brain understands that you can't make these guideless set in stone. They are a good generalaztion to follow.<br /><br />You look like a M&S apologizer for trying to come up with excuses for bad gear, no achievements or what not.<br /><br />The bottom line is if you don't have the gear/achievement buy your way in. That's the goblin way.Nobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04545146633167911253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33216745308782893142009-08-28T17:43:01.165+02:002009-08-28T17:43:01.165+02:00Honestly, I slightly agree with some of your point...Honestly, I slightly agree with some of your points, but you lost my support when you called STARS a no-named guild. Any raider worth their salt knew about them well back into burning crusader when they were steamrolling content(after US/EU admittedly) but exceptionally fast and in terrible gear as a result of their speed. I guess to an extent, they PROVE the point you've been trying to make over a year ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53260156297191296782009-08-28T17:34:12.462+02:002009-08-28T17:34:12.462+02:00I disagree that achievements are a measure of skil...I disagree that achievements are a measure of skill.<br /><br />First off, you won't ever know if someone is playing an "alt" - they may have the achievement on another toon. <br /><br />Secondly, a person might have the skill, but not had the opportunity to get the achievement. Perhaps they were benched the night the guild got Sarth+3 - or even more seriously, perhaps they are in a guild that doesn't raid on a regular basis, or has been dabbling in raids for a while, but not really starting to do the hardmodes?<br /><br />I also disagree that gear is a check for skill. Now, rather than "back in the day" it requires skill both on the part of the interviewee as the interviewer to evaluate the gear. <br /><br />Back when I was rolling around in heroic blues, I was able to pick up a purp set of shoulders. But, they were tanking shoulders. Certainly not great by any long-shot for a DPS paladin, but better than what I was wearing, by a fair bit, when I gemmed and chanted them out. I kept the blue shoulders in the bags just for the sake of people who do gearchecks.<br /><br />My first naxx run, I had a gear check (it was a partial pug). And the first question they asked me was why I had a pair of tanking shoulders. I asked them to invite the pally lead to the conversation, and they gracefully accepted. After showing the old gear and the new gear, they not only accepted me into the run, but kept inviting me back. They realized that, even though they were tanking shoulders, I was a skilled enough player to recognize that I could make what would have been a bad piece for me, into a good piece by properly gemming and chanting it. (BTW, I rolled in them tank shoulders for a good long while - at least a month, before the sweet mistress of RNG decided to drop something for me)<br /><br /><br />The point I am making here is that gear is still the best way to judge wether a person is skilled enough. It just takes the person reviewing the gear to be equally skilled in evaluating the gear too. Its easy to pass over someone in blues now-days, or that has a less than perfect gearset. Its difficult to find the ones that actually know what they are doing with what they have.<br /><br />People who ask me to link my achievement for something, I stout-heartedly refuse. I do, however, offer them a few parses of my raids showing that I can pull 3-4k dps in a 10 man fight.Firespirithttp://lightsfury.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-883860304553146992009-08-28T17:13:41.399+02:002009-08-28T17:13:41.399+02:00Meh. I've been thoroughly unimpressed with th...Meh. I've been thoroughly unimpressed with this series of posts. I'm not completely sure why. I think it is the preachy, bombastic style that comes across with a sizable dose of arrogance and maybe even bigotry. <br /><br />Gevlon's intolerance for M&S is legendary, but in this case the argument has almost become "if you can't do Ulduar10 in blues, then you're slacking." Just look a Culden. The poor guy isn't even sure if he is M&S or not.<br /><br />I'm almost done coming here to find yet another post full of musings and philosophies about M&S, how bad they are, and why it is so important not to be such, etc.<br /><br />As Gevlon says in this very post, WoW is not a game designed for hardcore players. So you shouldn't be surprised to actually find casual players wandering around. With each new patch it becomes more and more obvious that target audience for this game is not necessarily the gamer who strives for excellence. <br /><br />Many/most of the casual players are terribad at games. They often they don't know or care that they aren't as good as other players and they certainly don't aspire to be better. They don't know about DPS (or what it stands for), they have never heard of addons, and they don't understand simple gameplay mechanics like +hit and mp5, or buffs procs like replenishment. They are completely oblivious to the presence or absence of these things. For these guys, any strategy more sophisticated than a simple kill order is too much effort to worry about. Further, they have an extremely high tolerance for failure. <br /><br />I deliberately spent about 4 months with a toon in a family+friends (not mine) guild. The guild leader had a 0/0/71 mage and a 3/66/2 priest. I tried recommending changes but my suggestions were never implemented. For a couple of months I wiped my way through the WotLK non-heroic instances with them. (Occasional we threw in an attempt at a heroic when they were feeling particularly reckless). <br /><br />This entire time, these guys thoroughly ENJOYED themselves. They loved doing half of the holiday quests (finding Easter eggs etc), grinding rep, and always showed off their most recent non-combat pets whenever I saw them. They were really cool and helpful people too. They weren't a bunch of idiots either -- they just didn't care about performance very much.<br /><br />The bottom line is that this game is swarming with these casual (terribad) players. There is no way getting around this and I'm tired of reading derisive (though completely valid) complaints about them. <br /><br />In all honesty though, if M&S and casuals bother you so very much Gevlon, you really should consider going to play EVE. EVE is likely a very, very good fit for you in so many ways. I'm uncertain whether you will care about these things I have written and your reaction to my post isn't particularly important to me. I just felt like putting sharing my opinion.<br /><br /> /wavealmost gonehttp://www.yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76588686766451254432009-08-28T17:10:00.480+02:002009-08-28T17:10:00.480+02:00Yeah, that I have a spec that's somewhat stand...Yeah, that I have a spec that's somewhat standard (according to theorycrafting and such), that I gem and enchant following suggestions of theorycrafting sites, and in general, that I use a rotation that comes highly recommended, all suggests that it was something else up. Of course, I wasn't allowed to get past Ignis/ Razorscale that run, so maybe my DPS didn't shine through as well (we were going to attempt XT heartbreaker, where single target DPS is pretty important, and where I think I would have finally shown that I don't suck). Also, for some reason, my raid leader was under the impression that I'd never done Uld 10 before, even though I had done about the first half of it. Not because I was sitting in fires or anything, just because I was new to their guild. Oh well, I can only try better next time.Culdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023908502263165733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44297919418200659422009-08-28T17:05:10.686+02:002009-08-28T17:05:10.686+02:00I was convinced by other players that gear meant s...I was convinced by other players that gear meant something... then I ran with a skilled player and saw that someone in green can out heal someone all purpled out that does not know how to play... that was a rude awakening and made me change the way I looked at the game. I have seen this theme over and over and it has really reshaped the way I look at progression and the game.<br /><br />I play casually and with a group of friends where skill is all over the place. We have no issues with that because we play for fun and friendship and not for purples or achievements (even though we still slowly get them).<br /><br />WoW is NOT a hard game... WoW has basic principles than when followed will reward you... <br /><br />I also thank God that I am in a low population server, because I think the higher the population the higher the pressure to do x or y... we can just chill and be casual, playing our own game. Its truly sad that people that want to advance in progression are constantly being shadowed by purples rather than skill.logtarhttp://logtar.com/wownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34833475264119047162009-08-28T16:30:03.692+02:002009-08-28T16:30:03.692+02:00About AV. On our server, we are often running AV P...About AV. On our server, we are often running AV Premades. The best honor/time ratio strat we have is this :<br /><br />Group 1-2-3-4 goes cap stormpike, aid station, and both bunkers. then they go Vann<br />Group 5-6 goes to icewing and stoneheart. Once capped, icewing group goes to Vann and stoneheart group goes help on D (recap iceblood and towerpoint towers)<br />Group 7-8 are balinda then D recapping iceblood and towerpoint.<br />As soon as all ally towers are capped, we quickly down Vann.<br /><br />I Someone ever cap Stoneheart Graveyard, then it screws this strat. When allies dies, we want them to respawn at stoneheart. Not in ally base or at stonespike. <br /><br />With this strat, we have a win ratio of about 95% with games running about 9 minutes for 1500 honor.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12229730684261743859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2445090275722441542009-08-28T16:17:52.116+02:002009-08-28T16:17:52.116+02:00@Josh: That is a possibility, after all MC and BWL...@Josh: That is a possibility, after all MC and BWL and up to Twins in AQ40 was shiteasy and could've been 20 manned if it wasnt for the enrage timers that started to come in AQ40.<br /><br />However, if you check kills of specific bosses (Twins, C'thun, Ouro, Gothik, Thaddius, 4 horsemen, Loatheb, Sapphiron, Kelthuzad) those really didn't let you have 20 slackers, not even 5. I still remember he horrible night of wiping at thaddius when people where slower than others on getting how to jump or how to move with the charges. 1 player dead ment that the dps wouldn't be sufficient for the enrage timer.Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330577437083018669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13650498898378425942009-08-28T16:04:01.036+02:002009-08-28T16:04:01.036+02:00@Anonymous:
We would let every friend of a member ...@Anonymous:<br />We would let every friend of a member into the guild, as a friend spot. If they want a raiding spot they would have to surivive the trial period like everyone else where we don't care if it's a friend of someone or not. It is also needed of the friendspot to make an application before getting promoted to trial.<br /><br />Only guilds that already have a fair share of M&S in the leadership will allow friends in blindly on peoples recommendation and the worst thing you can do with a guild that is trying to be successfull in terms of progress, is to recruit someone because they are a "nice guy"-Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330577437083018669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76931356743089071112009-08-28T16:01:07.212+02:002009-08-28T16:01:07.212+02:00@Culden
Visit ElitistJerks.com forums to make sur...@Culden<br /><br />Visit ElitistJerks.com forums to make sure you're doing everything right in terms of rotations, speccing, gearing, gemming, enchanting, etc.Williamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-60926466291517779282009-08-28T14:52:53.998+02:002009-08-28T14:52:53.998+02:00Fitz:
If yor willing to spend 5-10k gold on Each i...Fitz:<br />If yor willing to spend 5-10k gold on Each item that is good, but not best in slot (as pugs rarely get to the point where BiS items drop, atleast on my realm) the anwser is:<br />no- you dont.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36431756163873399222009-08-28T14:42:38.018+02:002009-08-28T14:42:38.018+02:00What if the player is in blues and also not a gobl...What if the player is in blues and also not a goblin. <br /><br />If you have lots of gold to toss around why not just buy the epics from the AH, theres only a couple slots you will miss without gold.<br /><br />I found myself raiding a lot less lately but gold seems to keep me in the item level loop.<br /><br />also pugging TOC is now very good with the new patch letting you trade with anyone in the raid. Most ppl in a whisper will sell you the drops that you failed to roll on and since TOC can be pugged, if you have the gold do you really need a guild?Fitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83388004783347984132009-08-28T14:09:10.938+02:002009-08-28T14:09:10.938+02:00I don't think you're right about anyone in...I don't think you're right about anyone in original WoW with 40-man raids who has full epics having a high chance of having skill.<br /><br />I was in a guild back then that wasn't the best on the server, but we did fairly well and cleared through most of AQ40 and a bit of Naxx before Burning Crusade hit, and 40-man raids were just an excuse for lazy people to pretend they were trying when they weren't. When there are 39 other people to pick up slack, I'd say only 25-30 people in a given raid would actually try their best, and 40 people is a lot to fill, so sometimes it wasn't easy to say "You're being sat out today because you don't try".<br /><br />When you're using a DKP system, they earn DKP just as much as the people who try harder, so they get the gear, even though they may be M&S.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15645056921504080432009-08-28T12:38:11.182+02:002009-08-28T12:38:11.182+02:00"Many guilds out there will take people with ...<i>"Many guilds out there will take people with less gear/experience if they are not a pain in the ass."</i><br />Absolutely. The most important skill in raiding is teamwork.Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07968080562561684936noreply@blogger.com