tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post2856822385513761191..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The real life value of BDO economyGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12733722040761777012016-06-28T01:57:59.750+02:002016-06-28T01:57:59.750+02:00Well, the game isn't supposed to be an applied...Well, the game isn't supposed to be an applied econ reactor, at least from the sounds of it. It's really more a question of whether or not the designers felt that a more, or less restricted, trading system benefits game play, or detracts from it. And an element of that decision is purely a matter of taste. <br /><br />Of course, I am assuming they thought rationally about the differences between the different ways their game could be designed. Who knows if they actually bothered with this step or not.Kines Pavelovnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22764883844414064912016-06-27T18:25:39.544+02:002016-06-27T18:25:39.544+02:00@Rodolphe: people usually don't take risks in ...@Rodolphe: people usually don't take risks in games. They follow the raid leader or read a guide and obey. Actually most EVE players are fine with literally orbit+F1.<br /><br />@Spaceman: except they don't need to figure out anything, all they need to do is read a damn wiki.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48640203543314741152016-06-27T17:07:51.200+02:002016-06-27T17:07:51.200+02:00Declaring people morons and slackers or worse for ...Declaring people morons and slackers or worse for not achieving well in a system that you and those like you have figured out, and are possibly better equipped to understand is, to my mind, one of the laziest excuses to ignore their complaints and yes their flaws. But also a cheap way of rationalizing why some people can be ignored or left behind.<br /><br />A system that can be gamed to prevent others from competing is fair target for complaints and criticisms.Spacemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8018637723630344902016-06-27T15:21:22.563+02:002016-06-27T15:21:22.563+02:00About layout: I damn the moment I tried the "...About layout: I damn the moment I tried the "templates", because Blogger don't have the old plan thing anymore, so I have to live with it. And some people want larger, others want smaller. I have no idea how to change it back to the old which was ugly but worked for everyone as it was practically unformatted text.<br /><br />Hint: you can use CTRL+ and CTRL- to increase-decrease the page in your browser.<br />Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-47693882865527642572016-06-27T12:37:43.516+02:002016-06-27T12:37:43.516+02:00My main criticism of your comparison between real ...My main criticism of your comparison between real world economies and in-game ones is not about the free market vs. a-la-sovietic market simulation or any accusation of "nolife"; my primary concern with your (in my opinion) inappropriate comparisons is about risk taking.<br />In a game, you take a lot of risks you would not take in real life and you omit to mention the safety and security provided by the virtual environment which are the primary sources of cost in real life.<br />You want to be rich in real life? Run a (legal) commerce in a country with no taxes, no police and no hospitals. You will probably get rich much faster indeed but you may not live long to take advantage of it. And do not play tricks on me: this additional risk you take *is* what make your "ideal" system so "efficient" in the first place - because it is much more dangerous by those who adhere to it. By the way, have you noted that the system you encourage is also the one seeked by those who run illegal businesses? Doesn't it ring a bell somewhere to supposedly share common philsophy with those most of us call criminals?<br /><br />In some sense, you demonstrate the most that video games promote an inacurrate vision of the real world with respect to moral and values.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115517362514448506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78227817216311729612016-06-27T11:11:13.430+02:002016-06-27T11:11:13.430+02:00Slightly off topic: layout looks good, maybe up th...Slightly off topic: layout looks good, <i>maybe</i> up the font size just a notch, to make reading a bit easier on the eyes.<br /><br />On topic: nothing like harsh reality to teach someone a lesson, but there are always those people that will never learn from their mistakes, sadly. To actually better your life you need to accept that you were wrong about some things, and then you can go about changing them. A good deal of people are either too proud to admit their mistakes, or too stupid to realise the reality of their situation.<br /><br />Living in Greece, I see this kind of thing all the time. A good chunk of the people that fell for the leftist and socialist propaganda of the (current) government have actually turned around and regret their vote, but quite a lot of them also still refuse to acknoledge that the situation since the elections of 2015 is significantly worse in pretty much all fields (capital controls, lower GDP overall, less amenities, lower budget for social services, National Health System crumbling etc), <i>while at the same time they are complaining about the rising unemployment rates, low wages or their personal debt</i>.Tithianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567723372347346654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81275307702081187532016-06-27T10:55:18.144+02:002016-06-27T10:55:18.144+02:00@Hanura: I've found the way to edit HTML to in...@Hanura: I've found the way to edit HTML to increase width beyond UI control range. Is it better now?<br /><br />@Jim L: no, that's called scammingGevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75482569836100862222016-06-27T10:47:17.386+02:002016-06-27T10:47:17.386+02:00In your free market utopia are you allowed to adve...In your free market utopia are you allowed to advertise as selling 100 aspirin pills but in reality fulfilling that order with 90 aspirin pills and 10 sugar pills?Jim Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12370082357855488637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10705281870815378242016-06-27T10:01:40.287+02:002016-06-27T10:01:40.287+02:00@Anonymous: that's not good comparison, as the...@Anonymous: that's not good comparison, as the goal of car is to drive (you from A to B), but goal of blog is to be read and visited (otherwise you might as well just think all the articles and never put it down on paper). So you'd compare it to a restaurant, rather than car.Destabilizatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618175514930441531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78342976204195573102016-06-27T09:59:26.427+02:002016-06-27T09:59:26.427+02:00@Jim L: I can offer my wares at any price I want t...@Jim L: I can offer my wares at any price I want to get and you are free to pay it or find someone better. And no one else gets a dime from our transaction.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66761723906794816052016-06-27T09:32:53.891+02:002016-06-27T09:32:53.891+02:00How do you define a free market?How do you define a free market?Jim Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12370082357855488637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44697819860696249592016-06-27T09:16:58.286+02:002016-06-27T09:16:58.286+02:00After some more thought, i am ready to conced the ...After some more thought, i am ready to conced the point that free market is much better at expanding comfortable and diverse lifestyles if the very existence of a society is not in question. People don't go into socialism for comfort and diversity, though.<br /><br />People don't l2p if they don't suffer for a bit :Dmaximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9754623519773232042016-06-27T09:08:00.870+02:002016-06-27T09:08:00.870+02:00BDO is a very limited model. Sure, you can tailor ...BDO is a very limited model. Sure, you can tailor it to your propaganda needs, but let's not pretend it is an actual reflection of the real world.<br />For example, you don't actually need water to live in BDO.maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5873527767937598882016-06-27T09:02:35.087+02:002016-06-27T09:02:35.087+02:00@Destab
a car has to drive. I and Gevlon don't...@Destab<br />a car has to drive. I and Gevlon don't care about the social status it represents. So we don't drive BMW, Benz, Bently ... I don't have a car at all and gevlon drives, to use a social phrase, "shit bucket".<br />same with a blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11463602942910838922016-06-27T08:48:58.825+02:002016-06-27T08:48:58.825+02:00Me? Hardly, I read stuff through Feedly anyway - b...Me? Hardly, I read stuff through Feedly anyway - but it speaks of the pride you take in your blog.<br /><br />If it would take you several hours, then I understand though. No Gevlov would set for few clicks to enable template design! :)Destabilizatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618175514930441531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78520251360803142632016-06-27T08:46:20.229+02:002016-06-27T08:46:20.229+02:00You're right. I will now go and spend several ...You're right. I will now go and spend several hours of my life to make you happy.<br /><br />Not.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88663304429911367312016-06-27T08:29:04.658+02:002016-06-27T08:29:04.658+02:00@Gevlon: yes idd, they behave weirdly
I think nob...@Gevlon: yes idd, they behave weirdly<br /><br />I think nobody goes to blogs because of their designs, but that's not reason to leave your house unpainted, is it?Destabilizatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618175514930441531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23944684680840563062016-06-27T08:25:55.681+02:002016-06-27T08:25:55.681+02:00@Destabilizator: buy orders are barely working. Wh...@Destabilizator: buy orders are barely working. While I won items on it, most of the time the item gets to the normal marketplace.<br /><br />Why should I bother with design? I don't want to increase the traffic of those who care for a design.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32044962491544643042016-06-27T08:16:13.607+02:002016-06-27T08:16:13.607+02:00I've just read this briefly, but didn't se...I've just read this briefly, but didn't see a note about the "shady" part of AH which we have now - the Buy Orders, with a twist that you have no idea how much are the others offering :S.<br /><br />Eg. Ancient Weapon Core, on AH few times a day, can be listed for ~13mil, I asked the guy who won it by Buy Order - he slotted 40 mil on it.<br /><br />Btw: since you are trafficed (is that even a word?) blog, maybe it would be time to put some pretty and sleek design all around?Destabilizatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618175514930441531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83348604258850181692016-06-27T05:40:48.250+02:002016-06-27T05:40:48.250+02:00Fantastic analogy. I'm kicking myself that I d...Fantastic analogy. I'm kicking myself that I didn't see it earlier. I love the idea of getting the M&S to play it to help cure their socialist tendencies. It's a bit like when a hardcore socialist student gets their first real job and they start seeing how much money they lose to the taxman. This often results in an overnight conversion. Nothing like brutal reality. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com