tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post2758477548650309219..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: LFM World first aspirant guildsGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40078043876090078332011-02-01T17:34:48.543+01:002011-02-01T17:34:48.543+01:00Speaking of the PuG, some friends and I are trying...Speaking of the PuG, some friends and I are trying to form a similar guild on a EU server, Chants Eternels (French). Do you have any tips on how to recruit like minded players ?manuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581111234920175797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-92218634124701287842011-02-01T17:07:31.232+01:002011-02-01T17:07:31.232+01:00The guild with world-first aspirations might have ...The guild with world-first aspirations might have millions of gold, but they're still limited by the 50k transfer limit. Now, in the third week of Cataclysm, I had a random BoE drop for me, and it sold for 30k in only a few hours with no effort on my part at all. If someone was wanting me to bust my ass to get to the point where I'm crafting 346s-359s specifically for him in the first few days of the expansion so he can get world firsts, then he is going to pay. <b>A lot</b>. Maybe 100k per epic. Maybe 200k. So we're looking at dozens and dozens of server transfers to move the money to outfit an entire guild. Which opens up all sorts of ways for the system to break down. The gold doesn't arrive, or the gold arrives but there are no leatherworkers, or what have you.<br /><br />An interesting idea, but I think the execution would be far more complex and expensive than you are depicting. It would be fun to watch someone try it, but I doubt all involved (if anyone) would be very satisfied with the end results.Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72049807812609240052011-02-01T16:47:31.365+01:002011-02-01T16:47:31.365+01:00@ 11:25 Anon
"Hey, I'm a farmer and not ...@ 11:25 Anon<br /><br />"Hey, I'm a farmer and not a goblin and don't get the market! I totally get how they think and stuff."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12653413434449662582011-02-01T14:50:14.795+01:002011-02-01T14:50:14.795+01:00Not too pertinent to the article, but the "co...Not too pertinent to the article, but the "color" of an item has no affect anymore. There used to be a multiplier based on the rarity of an item, but if you look at, say, 318 blues versus a green of similar item level, the stats are exactly the same.<br /><br />The increase in stats is purely determined by item level in cataclysm.Dismissnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-39321719431848904382011-02-01T11:25:48.994+01:002011-02-01T11:25:48.994+01:00I have never seen anyone in trade say "Be my ...I have never seen anyone in trade say "Be my farmer, earn a decent/steady income. I have the most farmers in the realm working for me! I'm the biggest, and am always reinvesting my profit into my business." <br /><br />It's the old "Rich people don't use their profit to hire new people and grow, they merely horde their wealth. If anything, they lay off more people to maximise cost savings." <br /><br />Nice plan, but it is a fantasy. It will never, ever happen. Contracting other players to farm for you is a grotesquely minor occurence in all of WoW. Players will not, WILL NOT reinvest their profit to grow their business. They will simply read websites to find tips on how to scale back their operations, make it smaller, and find ways to mazimize profits without relying on anyone else. The Goblin Crafter hates... HATES the farmer he pays for mats, and is always looking for excuses to dump them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44983751457158155552011-02-01T10:59:55.898+01:002011-02-01T10:59:55.898+01:00What should a hc guild sell at the dawn of an addo...What should a hc guild sell at the dawn of an addon or content patch on Agamaggan-EU to make profit? BoEs are worthless at that time. <br />Materials are cheaper on Agamaggan-EU than on most of the crowded servers. <br /><br />And who is going to craft it? Anyone of us Goblins? When anyone wants the new shiny thingies and prices brak through the sky?<br /><br />They would come in and get ripped of their last copper in seconds. They couldn't even compare values since their servers are totally unbalanced in relation to Agamaggan-EU. <br /><br />And a small add: ToC reciepts were not available on the first day since they dropped from bosses. And I doubt you could make up a buisness based on the first week boss loot. It took me 12 runs to pick up all BS reciepts. (2009-08-04 added "A Tribute to Immortality" last TogC AV done by Ensidia 2009-11-01 so they needed 14 weeks) <br /><br />Anyway when I look up to the alternative farming HCs getting 1-2 346 pieces per hour in comparsion to paying 40 euros + paying 3-5k per 346 and 30-50k / epic (entering the reputation into this would make the transfer quite hilarous)... ...not counting up the time to resell on AH and searchin for crafters (yes I know only one person but time is wasted in relation to worldfirst). And they would have done a heroic in 30-40 minutes as an hc guild.Ðesolatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01209033212940702897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72406178141464186342011-02-01T10:28:42.877+01:002011-02-01T10:28:42.877+01:00I was about to point out a flaw in your plan, name...I was about to point out a flaw in your plan, namely that character transfers have a long cooldown, but it turns out I was wrong, and that that was reduced to three days a long time ago, so there's nothing gamewise preventing this from working. <br /><br />I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting, though. Is it that top guild should cooperate with businessmen when buying crafted stuff and materials? If so, that's reasonable, and I know at least one guild on my server that is doing just that. <br /><br />If you're suggesting that they should do exactly that, but transfer between servers to do it with your guild for the added bonus of having a market of people with lots of gold, then that's a tougher sell. They need to factor in $50 or whatever the price is for two transfers in the costs of what they buy from you, which would, if you say you could have bought gold for that instead, probably increase the price too far for it to be competetive with even the AH on their home server, so this would only be useful to a guild whose AH does not contain sufficient quantities of what they need. <br /><br />Given that 'the toppest' guilds usually reside on servers being full partially because of their reputation, I sort of doubt you'd find a market for this - you'd want a guild competing heavily for world firsts, held back primarily because of a small amount of materials in their AH. I can't think of any guilds that fit, but I might be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82906299330034396552011-02-01T10:26:49.881+01:002011-02-01T10:26:49.881+01:00@Gevlon
There were blue gems on AH on December 8. ...@Gevlon<br />There were blue gems on AH on December 8. At least on Aszune horde AH. I know, because I put them there... undercutting those that were before me. <br />They sold for around 300g uncut.Grimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35603976932331472082011-02-01T10:13:46.098+01:002011-02-01T10:13:46.098+01:00@Georgette: They are under constant GM observation...@Georgette: They are under constant GM observation, remember when Ensidia was caught instantly with saronite bombs. Also, goldbuying doesn't help. On Dec 7-10 there were no blue quality gems, inscription offhands or any other stuff for ANY price on the AH.<br /><br />They need to make contracts to make sure that someone crafts these things instantly (that involves massive farming and spending lot of gold leveling profession)Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67554588687862135772011-02-01T09:31:14.960+01:002011-02-01T09:31:14.960+01:00I can't believe one second that top raiding gu...I can't believe one second that top raiding guild don't buy massive amount of gold via goldsellers and buy everything they need on the AH whatever the price without the needs of a gobelin or farmer.<br />Anyway I doubt they can admit that.Georgettenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29463758652723110992011-02-01T08:50:07.965+01:002011-02-01T08:50:07.965+01:00@Squishalot: orbs were farmable from normal ToC, w...@Squishalot: orbs were farmable from normal ToC, while HC ToC was the "real game". I don't think anyone care who killed Magmaw normal first. Nefarion, Alakir, Cho'gall HC mattered.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14569008485694115272011-02-01T08:23:10.204+01:002011-02-01T08:23:10.204+01:00Gevlon: "They became available when ToC came ...Gevlon: <i>"They became available when ToC came out. <b>While the recipes and the orbs were coming from the raid itself</b>, there are many rare materials listed next to them, which were not readily available in the AH."</i><br /><br />By definition, any production of the crafted items cannot contribute to a world first kill. The primary supply restriction is on the orbs, not the other <b>farmable</b> rare materials.<br /><br />(Btw, somewhat disappointed that you didn't post my last message. It contained a lot of comments that Justisraiser and Andru also raised subsequently.)Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40225616714027734882011-02-01T07:59:33.423+01:002011-02-01T07:59:33.423+01:00You would not be able to craft gems on the first d...You would not be able to craft gems on the first day of the expansion, no matter the amount of money they would throw at you. Hell, they could maybe craft epic self-gems on the second day, even with someone else's Chimera Eye.<br /><br />The sole provider of marks for recipes is the JC daily, which is...well, daily.<br /><br /><br />However, major content patch inside the expansion, maybe. However, you'll still need the contractor to actually have the recipe. Ulduar recipes were BoP, meaning the contractor would have to go raid and kill the bosses first.<br /><br />Same for ICC. The Primordial Saronites, were bought with badgers that you couldn't get outside daily HC and raiding.Andruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12265338942372933846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58284003380157306992011-02-01T07:38:09.955+01:002011-02-01T07:38:09.955+01:00Well, you said it yourself, the gear difference be...Well, you said it yourself, the gear difference between 4.1 and 4.0 will be a lot less than ilevel 316 greens vs. ilevel 359 epics. Likewise over the 4+ months of the expansion, raiding guilds will have used their own cooldowns on Truegold et al that they won't need to spend $50 for a double server transfer.<br /><br />There's exactly one point in time that this is a viable strategy, and that's in the first two weeks of an expansion.Justisraiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872558985402286215noreply@blogger.com