tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post2275604650824042597..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The best investmentGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5383526317529046822009-06-16T20:43:28.298+02:002009-06-16T20:43:28.298+02:00Have been reading your posts over the past few day...Have been reading your posts over the past few days. Interesting stuff. A quick thought on you 'holy pally' spec, from a fellow druid. I assume you are primarily using Healing Touch and Nourish with this spec. I would suggest, at minimum, pulling your 1 point from Nature's Splendor and 1 point from Gift of the Earth Mother and put them into 2/2 Empowered Touch. Again, this is assuming you AREN'T rolling Rej or LB on any but the tank. <br /><br />I noticed you have the Nourish glyph. So you may not be using HT that much. I have to say I do not currently using that glyph so I am unsure if you get close to the amount HT would heal with it. <br /><br />You could also make HT into a spell similar to 'flash of light' if you add the HT glyph and move the 3 pts from Subtlety to Naturalist. You would just have to be more aware of threat when beginning a fight or changing phases. <br /><br />Anyway, some things to think about.. if you haven't already. Good blogging!!Bukkinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64910112819595346902009-05-21T21:56:15.329+02:002009-05-21T21:56:15.329+02:00Good job Gevlon, i agree with others. I am a rest...Good job Gevlon, i agree with others. I am a resto druid, about as geared as you (almost identical). I left a hardcore guild. Now i want to see ulduar, so i applied to some decent guilds. They said no way without 3 nights a week 4 hours a shot. No thanks for me, that is too much. If I was better at making money I would try that 5000g a week route (that would make all the difference for serious raiding guilds). As it is I'll probably never see ulduar unless its a PUG.Rob Dejournetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11451389128538898818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74903314988740791292009-05-20T16:31:00.429+02:002009-05-20T16:31:00.429+02:00Make an arrangement with some paladin to throw Han...Make an arrangement with some paladin to throw Hand of Protection on you on XT-002 Earthquake (it deals physical damage, so you won't be affected).<br />Mimiron P2 healing is a real challenge, and wait a bit for Vezax where things get VERY interesting!Severinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89872457304354879212009-05-18T22:26:00.000+02:002009-05-18T22:26:00.000+02:00From what I have seen of him, he doesn't see a...From what I have seen of him, he doesn't see anyone and everyone who buys from as a moron. I think he would agree, that if someone could have more value for their time then the time it would take farming, they are not a moron for purchasing things.<br />You have to remember though.. Gevlon is not a farmer... he is a businessman. He makes all his profit by buying mats of the AH and doing minimal crafting work and then reselling it for a much higher mat cost value. The time effort it takes him is very minimal and thats his point. The tricks he does are not magic or secrets, its him playing the system which anyone can do. The ones he is "Milking" or considers M&S are the ones who do not take advantage of this.<br /><br />As far as him paying the 5k per week. It does not equate to the same situation. The time effort it would take him to fufill his guild obligation as a normal raider would be much greater. To just field a guess, lets say this is a guild that raids 3 nights a week, and raids from 3 to 4 hours, and I would say that is a very conservative estimate. He raids one night a week and is not expected to raid the other nights. In order to be a qualified raider and get the service for free, he would have to spend another 6 hours minimum of his time (non-flexible time as well) in order to fufill his agreement.<br />By his own reports he can make 5k in about an hours time. (flexible time) His money making is mainly researching good deals, crafting items, then restocking them on the AH. Alot of these things made easier through the use of macros and add-ons.<br /><br />Honestly the way I see it, those that are critisizing this are jealous. Of Gevlons sucess (because it while it doesnt make him write, it also shows he isnt wrong.) and that of the good fortune of the guild he is partnered with. To them it's a very equitable agreement. They are skilled at producing good raid progression, and he is good at producing suply materials.<br />I must say his comparisons of a philanthropist are a little extreme, but he is happy, he is paying his 14$, and now his 5k gold as well. Finding how your happy in this game is all that matters at the end of the day.Viscountnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14210283185726871202009-05-17T02:48:00.000+02:002009-05-17T02:48:00.000+02:00Blogger Hirvox said...
That's a fine stra...Blogger Hirvox said...<br /><br /> <I> That's a fine strawman you got there. If one can make more money in the time it takes to collect the mats and craft a glyph than the glyph costs on the open market, then it's completely reasonable to buy it.</I>that is my point. There are reasons for people to do things other then what first appears to be less effective, or less rational. People weigh cost vs reward....and there are as many variables to consider as there are people considering them. <br /><br />Gevlon discounts all reasons he does not agree with, and labels anyone who decides to "waste" gold as a moron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67886328477402302202009-05-16T20:16:00.000+02:002009-05-16T20:16:00.000+02:00But everyone who buys a expensive glyph on the AH ...<I>But everyone who buys a expensive glyph on the AH when they could get it cheaper by buying the mats and getting someone to craft it is a Moron or Slacker?</I><BR>That's a fine strawman you got there. If one can make more money in the time it takes to collect the mats and craft a glyph than the glyph costs on the open market, then it's completely reasonable to buy it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00178860601734528122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73403837041032154742009-05-16T18:47:00.000+02:002009-05-16T18:47:00.000+02:00So... gevlon is "smart" by paying gold for somethi...So... gevlon is "smart" by paying gold for something (a raid spot) that he could get cheaper because it saves him time.<br /><br /><br />But everyone who buys a expensive glyph on the AH when they could get it cheaper by buying the mats and getting someone to craft it is a Moron or Slacker?<br /><br /><br />Gevlon. You are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. You justify everything you do, because you know your reasons. However, when someone else does the same thing, and you don't know their reasons, you call them a Moron.<br /><br />Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74249008604869794702009-05-16T06:24:00.000+02:002009-05-16T06:24:00.000+02:00I have to disagree with the 'anon' comment...I have to disagree with the 'anon' commenters, Gevlon could not have joined a competent guild, for free, while only raiding 1 night/week, it just would not have happened.<br /><br />1 night/week guilds are full of M&S, Gevlon would have lasted a single raid before leaving.<br /><br />Radu is also correct, Gevlon is raiding exactly as he wishes and his time investment for 5kg/week is... insignificant.<br /><br />It is the perfect capitalistic situation, the guild raiders have the most efficient method of farming consumables (Gevlon), Gevlon has the raiding that he wants, with a guild that he would continue to raid with.<br /><br />Congratulations to both of you, you've found exactly what you all want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11291649454425082262009-05-16T03:25:00.000+02:002009-05-16T03:25:00.000+02:00David, that is actually pretty insightful.
The on...David, that is actually pretty insightful.<br /><br />The only thing I can think of is that his time is worth more to him than the 5K gold per week. He cannot afford to invest the real time necessary to get acceptance into a serious raiding guild, so he pays gold instead. It is a rational action.<br /><br />He does, however, have the real world time to invest into making the gold. Making WoW gold is also time consuming, but at least it can be done entirely on one's own schedule.Eaten by a Gruehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741777795065029482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52017264025818418052009-05-15T22:07:00.000+02:002009-05-15T22:07:00.000+02:00Just going to agree with the previous comments. Th...Just going to agree with the previous comments. This is what brings people to raiding guilds, despite the drama that sometimes comes about. I can't say I'd be willing to pay 5K per week for that, but having been one of the starting members of guild that's been around for two years (and raiding most of that), I'd say I probably put in much more time investment than Gevlon will. <br /><br />I suppose Gevlon's gold is a compensation for that investment, if you want to look at it like that.MyNamenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26183389723799547122009-05-15T20:50:00.000+02:002009-05-15T20:50:00.000+02:00yep, 20k a month to raid is pretty moronic. that'...yep, 20k a month to raid is pretty moronic. that's the bottom line based on the viewpoint of Gevlon in that attaining something that takes minimal time by overpaying is moronic. <br /><br />it is pretty funny to read all of these stories and ways to make money off of morons through AH is pretty much the same application as buying a guild for raids. <br /><br />People buy over priced glyphs bc they are too lazy to get the mats and find a scribe to craft the item for them. In the same manner he is paying for a guild for their service, and the amount is pretty ridiculous imo since it can be attained for free with a little work.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01088492297121871173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35453777830575194662009-05-15T20:23:00.000+02:002009-05-15T20:23:00.000+02:00@ Viscount
On our part, we sent him a mail with o...@ Viscount<br /><br />On our part, we sent him a mail with our offer, which was a concrete version of his request. We also outlined our plans of using the gold to improve the guild.<br /><br />I included of course a description of our guild, or philosophy of play, our history, and our plans.Radunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19322720311522989922009-05-15T20:09:00.000+02:002009-05-15T20:09:00.000+02:00Grats Mr. Goblin.
Sounds like a perfect arrangemen...Grats Mr. Goblin.<br />Sounds like a perfect arrangement. <br /><br />Would love some posts about your new business on the new server. How are you adapting to the new economy? Are glyphs still the way to go? Could you envision a scenario when 5k per week would become a problem (or take too much time)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-38571568455280840992009-05-15T20:04:00.000+02:002009-05-15T20:04:00.000+02:00You've inspired me to look for a similar setup! I...You've inspired me to look for a similar setup! I've been on both sides of the fence (raided through sarth +2D prior to 3.1). My guild fell apart right before 3.1 went live. <br /><br />Since 3.1 hit I've gone from 15K to 97K gold (includes missing a week from family vacation/ business trip). Even as the market slows i'm still pulling in 3K+ a day. <br /><br />Point being I would sneeze at 5K a week to have your setup. I reached the all to familiar 'raid burnout' so am not actively seeking a new guild.<br /><br />I ROFL at the ones saying your being milked knowing how easy it is to make 5K a week. I wouldn't hesitate given the same oppurtunity.<br /><br />Kudos to you and your guild on this 'win/win'!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36692687401884229152009-05-15T19:52:00.000+02:002009-05-15T19:52:00.000+02:00A brilliant plan come to fruition.
Grats and I t...A brilliant plan come to fruition. <br /><br />Grats and I think we are all super happy that you are playing the game and having fun again .... screenshots!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76494122911754058502009-05-15T19:38:00.001+02:002009-05-15T19:38:00.001+02:00Congrats Gev, Glad you finally found an environmen...Congrats Gev, Glad you finally found an environment and a new challenge for you. Most people join guilds for the sole reason of avoiding M&S, but how well you avoid it depends on you and how hard you are willing to look. If you are a M&S about finding a good guild, there will be M&S in that guild.<br /><br />I would like to know, and I am sure others too. About how the whole application process went for you. I would love to see an article maybe with Radu helping about how it went on both sides, how they contacted you, how you picked them, etc.<br /><br />@ all those who think this is unequitable one way or the other. This isnt just a payment for services, this is an investment that see's a return. Gevlon not only gets the "Now" reward of raiding, a challenge, and loot. But he also uses his money to help invest in his guild. By funding them and providing good support, this opens the ammount of time they have to dedicate to keeping raids smooth and operating at peak efficiency, with less time farming mats and buffs. This keeps all players able to operate at peak playing capacity even when Gevlon is not in raid. This will allow them to be more sucessful, and down more content in the future, strengthening the guild, and providing Gevlon with more oportunity to see further content. Not only that, this acts as a check to the guild itself. Gevlon may have joined, but he is still a mercenary. If the guild doesnt follow through with its contract, and is not able to provide an atmosphere he feels inclined to stick with, he is free and able to move on to greener pastures and they loose his benefit. So they have to police themselfs even more to make sure that they maintain high standards. Just as Gevlon has to maintain his buisness acumen to maintain his end of the deal as well.<br /><br />Kudos all around.Viscountnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-90925076709649464772009-05-15T19:38:00.000+02:002009-05-15T19:38:00.000+02:00If both sides are happy with the arrangement, then...If both sides are happy with the arrangement, then no one is being "milked." <br /><br />Still, I have to say the guild is getting the better end of the deal. I have several raiders who (due to timezones, real life commitments, etc.) can only attend one out of three weekly raids. They always have a spot on the day they can attend and have never had to pay it. None of my once-a-week raiders are exceptional players (largely because their gear tends to trail behind), but they're competent, and the guild as a whole is progressing through Ulduar at a decent pace with few non-progression wipes and fast recoveries. <br /><br />I just wish I could find a Gevlon to manage my guild bank, raid heal once and a while (and pay me for the privilege!).Elleirashttp://felfire.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36927410116952429692009-05-15T19:09:00.000+02:002009-05-15T19:09:00.000+02:00"So I would suggest everyone who wants to raid but..."So I would suggest everyone who wants to raid but afraid he is not good enough for a good guild to apply. These guys are not super-humans with abilities you cannot dream of. They are simply not stupid."<br /><br />Gevlon, I've only been reading this blog for a couple months now, but I can confidently say that this is the most accurate thing you've ever written here. That's exactly the situation I was in: A crappy guild that could clear Naxx and Maly with reasonable ease and Sarth+1 after a night of wipes, and that's it. I then applied to a few top guilds without much hope of getting a shot, but lo and behold one took a chance on me. Now I can say that I cleared through 25 man Vezax in the first reset, finished off Yogg during the second reset, and am a Mimiron hardmode kill away from facing off against Algalon in 10 man Ulduar. You would be amazed at just how far you can go in this game by simply being not stupid.<br /><br />So, congrats on finding a guild that fits you Gev. This will be a whole new game for you now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22829807577220103492009-05-15T18:25:00.000+02:002009-05-15T18:25:00.000+02:00For the record, we have killed Yogg two weeks ago ...For the record, we have killed Yogg two weeks ago and are working on hard modes now. We only raid 3 days a week.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02102743642365491431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-60905655810880476532009-05-15T18:24:00.000+02:002009-05-15T18:24:00.000+02:00@Outsydr:
Who would ever want to deal with M&S...@Outsydr:<br />Who would ever want to deal with M&S?Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-49481434465294850672009-05-15T16:57:00.000+02:002009-05-15T16:57:00.000+02:00After you raid with competent people, you never wa...After you raid with competent people, you never want to go back to M&S. Glad you've found some new friends to share victories, triumphs and gold with.Outsydrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13377301589479357127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66909080674229306222009-05-15T16:08:00.000+02:002009-05-15T16:08:00.000+02:00Grats Gevlon, seems like your deal is indeed payin...Grats Gevlon, seems like your deal is indeed paying off and both sides are enjoying the benefits :)<br /><br />There's just one thing I'm curious about. How many serious offers did you actually receive from guilds during the time you had your post up on your blog?Williamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84115244278977831592009-05-15T15:43:00.000+02:002009-05-15T15:43:00.000+02:00Right on Gev! Glad to see your first Ulduar run w...Right on Gev! Glad to see your first Ulduar run was a success.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00931555217370983175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87568542736382522962009-05-15T15:38:00.000+02:002009-05-15T15:38:00.000+02:00Seems like it's going well. I'll hold my judgement...Seems like it's going well. I'll hold my judgement for a few months down the line - that'll be where the proof of the pudding will be. <br /><br />With a bit of luck, both sides will still be holding up their end of the bargain, and both sides will still be happy with it.Crivenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15194964384188065221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56962678585525879402009-05-15T14:38:00.000+02:002009-05-15T14:38:00.000+02:00So, the guild got someone to sort out their financ...So, the guild got someone to sort out their finances, allowing guild-funded consumables and repairs. And the greedy goblin got his extra gold buffer to play in AH...wit the added return of getting into raids...<br /><br />Good deal m8, good deal... you get to raid and you get to play in the AH. The guild gets someone to fund them in-game and get a descent healer. This is a good deal...Panoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04538789110729883123noreply@blogger.com