tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post1933758654525672907..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Now why would you go and do something like that?Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19379299411472250912010-08-11T09:09:52.609+02:002010-08-11T09:09:52.609+02:00Well, that's why i called it random. To be hon...Well, that's why i called it random. To be honest, to know some certain things about this game there is a lot of resources - wowhead, elitistjerks, arenajunkies, worldoflogs, etc. If i want to know something about any ability in game, i will look up certain data - game description, tests, calculations, or i will do some math myself. There's no point in talking about things like this in gchat, as gchat is by far worse as information source than that sites. What can someone tell me that i can not google or calculate? So i never ask something like that, why bother people if i can look up anything myself, and why trust them when they could be wrong. Any time i see questions like "what is hit cap for enhance", "why are you gemming for haste", "what does this talent exactly do", "does your class have abilities for X or Y", i always answer them with "google it". <br />Not to mention that there's no good or bad abilities, there's abilities that are better or worse in certain conditions.Leehohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07438956683794597730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48315947052612393632010-08-10T20:11:43.672+02:002010-08-10T20:11:43.672+02:00One of the effects of the habitual use of any jarg...One of the effects of the habitual use of any jargon is to identify the speaker as part of a cultural group. This happens with all language. In WoW, it's "words" like plox, moar, lol, m8, etc. and has the effect of asserting a familiarity with the game, it's social memes and the common culture; it makes the speaker seem part of the in-group and therefore more acceptable for guild membership. By extension, the connotation is that the speaker is a competent player.<br /><br />The PUG's rules are designed to undercut this assumption and reject the idea that this jargon identifies you as anything but somebody who is unable or unwilling to spell properly. Those same rules also reject the culture of boosting and freebies expected by <i>lollers</i> (see what I did there... that's how you use a neologism). The language used is a proxy for the culture expected; rejecting the former distills the latter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11507793274865696422010-08-10T09:14:10.019+02:002010-08-10T09:14:10.019+02:00Chris, actually the word 'fag' has not bee...Chris, actually the word 'fag' has not been coopted to be less hateful. It was coopted to be hateful in the first place. It wasn't always a hateful word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18481418543856125892010-08-09T22:57:44.398+02:002010-08-09T22:57:44.398+02:00Actually, Magma, the word 'Nigger' is a de...Actually, Magma, the word 'Nigger' is a derogatory term. Meaning its purpose is to degrade someone. Just because people can use a series of sounds for other purposes does NOT change the meaning of the word. Wow, please learn your language.<br /><br />PS. The word 'negro' on the other hand is NOT a derogatory term, and has meaning outside of the offensive, even though many people are still offended by it.<br /><br />Other examples of derogatory terms that have been co-opted to be less hateful are: Bitch, fag, queen.<br /><br />The phenomenon you are you describing actually highlights the evolution of language, as terms that were once offensive become common use and less so (breast, thigh of chicken for example, which were EXTREMELY offensive around 1890)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15348323238268699668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1797928235028899512010-08-09T22:28:50.075+02:002010-08-09T22:28:50.075+02:00Sigh. I really need to watch the news now and the...Sigh. I really need to watch the news now and then, I guess. I try not to, but then look what happens: I am compared with Sarah Palin. Not a good thing. <br /><br />Still, the card was played here appropriately, although I have no idea what she did with it.Imraith Dos Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302616885968019914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4976607969622147712010-08-09T22:12:26.701+02:002010-08-09T22:12:26.701+02:00@Chris
Nigger is not "there" to be offen...@Chris<br />Nigger is not "there" to be offensive. I, on a regular basis, hear black people constantly call other black people that. They use it like a term of endearment. Bashing Gevlon for not knowing, is amusing to say the least, when you think the word is ONLY offensive. Sure it can be used as a racist term, but that is not its only sole purpose.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29468350790833321852010-08-09T19:47:22.042+02:002010-08-09T19:47:22.042+02:00@Imraith Dos Santos
You're playing the Shakes...@Imraith Dos Santos<br /><br />You're playing the Shakespeare card? Just because Sarah Palin used it doesn't mean it's a good idea.<br /><br />"Moar and lol are part of our language now, affixed by common usage and popularity."<br />No, they're not. "LOL" is popular enough that it could be considered part of English, but "moar", "plox", "plz", "m8", etc. are bastardizations of already existing words used primarily online by a young population. There's no evidence that they have any sort of mass acceptance.<br /><br />As for "LOL" being as bad as racial slurs? That's of course hyperbole, but using hyperbole to raise awareness about the unintended consequences of social behavior is to be expected from Gevlon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18120713886445670252010-08-09T19:30:55.298+02:002010-08-09T19:30:55.298+02:00Comparing "lol" to blatant racism is the...Comparing "lol" to blatant racism is the height of sophistry. Just because you put the two terms in one sentence and force an intellectual bridge between the two concepts, does not make them related.<br /><br />Lol is NOT offensive. You can be offended by it, but its purpose is not to offend. Nigger IS offensive, because that is the purpose of the word.<br /><br />Its amusing that a non-native english speaker would attempt to give us a lesson on the subject. 'Moar' is a word if people use it, its that simple. Much like 'leet' and 'pwn', they are a part of the modern english dialect. If you want to keep that kind of language out of your guild, either create a list of words you have arbitrarily defined as 'harmful' or set a date at which you wish to use the english language from (like most eastern block europeans, i would put that date at 1988)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15348323238268699668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18491166784730272772010-08-09T18:59:26.275+02:002010-08-09T18:59:26.275+02:00Hmmm…read the referenced post.
It seems just a ti...Hmmm…read the referenced post.<br /><br />It seems just a tiny bit over-reactive to me, but I will leave you to your suspicions (or paranoia, perhaps?). <br /><br />Still don’t get the “nigger” association though.Imraith Dos Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302616885968019914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5295074884083781722010-08-09T18:40:58.799+02:002010-08-09T18:40:58.799+02:00@Imraith: if "moar" = "more" t...@Imraith: if "moar" = "more" than it's not a word, it's just a primitive mistake. A word must have a meaning.<br /><br />About "lol": http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2010/02/lol-lo-m8y-gd2-hav-u-ddd.html<br /><br />In short: saying "lol" is an attempt to abuse the target. The "lol"-sayer wants to create positive emotions in the target by imitating laughter, happiness to get some kind of reward. I see such behavior no less disruptive and harmful than blatant racism.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91565605298394101542010-08-09T18:34:45.036+02:002010-08-09T18:34:45.036+02:00Thinking that perhaps I am unaware of a repulsive ...Thinking that perhaps I am unaware of a repulsive or offensive definition of 'lol', I took a few moments to seek a new definition on the Internet. However, I find none that does not refer to laughter. <br /><br />I did find this definition that amused me at the Urban Dictionary site: "Originally found in Sumerian Tax Logs to define overdue fees (Late on Lamp Oil, some experts believe), this phrase has evolved through time. Shakespeare shunned the abbreviation, finding it impossible to rhyme with. Thoreau punched Jim Bowie in a local tavern for carving it on the table with his special knife, but Lincoln ad-libbed it in the original Gettysburg address during an uncomfortable moment in the Monologue. It meant "Laughing On Line" during the Internet craze of the late 20th…"<br /><br />Personally, I find laughter to be necessary, indeed vital, to human life, and not at all offensive. Apparently you have a different definition, or at least connotation. I am exceedingly puzzled to see you compare it to ‘nigger’. I would be interested to learn your definition, if you care to elaborate.<br /><br />And moar means precisely the same as more, of course, what else? And why not?Imraith Dos Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302616885968019914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27533187852434316242010-08-09T18:15:57.950+02:002010-08-09T18:15:57.950+02:00@Imraith: words must have meaning. If you claim th...@Imraith: words must have meaning. If you claim that "moar" is a word, please define the difference between "moar" and "more". <br /><br />On the other hand "lol" IS a word, and has a meaning, I just find this meaning repulsive. I think "lol" is like "nigger". They are words and they have their unique meaning. Just civilized person don't mean them.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-90605135803107478762010-08-09T18:13:21.376+02:002010-08-09T18:13:21.376+02:00Let me get this straight. Are you now telling us F...Let me get this straight. Are you now telling us FUN should be the motivator instead of gold/items? Do stuff just for the heck of it...?<br /><br />Anyway, I agree with Tobold on this one. Most people stay on the PVE hamster wheel because of the rewards (items/achievements/status). There's really no other motivation to keep playing.<br />Gear inflation only makes this worse by reducing challenge to zero.<br />On the other hand, if the PVE part of WoW didn't hand out any rewards, hardly anyone would be playing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56347939838680965802010-08-09T18:09:02.812+02:002010-08-09T18:09:02.812+02:00Okay.
Mr. Gevlon, I have been tolerating your s...Okay. <br /><br />Mr. Gevlon, I have been tolerating your sanctimonious insults for a while now, since<br />overall there is such great content in your blog that until today I have been able to do so. <br /><br /> But I guess I just woke up crabby this morning and now I find myself protesting your “M&S” slur at people who enjoy playing with language.<br /><br />Language is fun! May I introduce you to you Mr. Shakespeare, who spelled imaginatively and invented new words at a wild rate? In fact, created words amounted to nearly 10% of his written works. Rather than WoW /2, of course, he was limited to the theatre of London for his audience; nonetheless, the principle remains. Language is a fluid medium, not a fixed.<br /><br />Moar and lol are part of our language now, affixed by common usage and popularity. <br /><br />Get over it and move on, sir!<br /><br />LoL.Imraith Dos Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302616885968019914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2767571941903801502010-08-09T17:52:28.389+02:002010-08-09T17:52:28.389+02:00Ulduar was the best instance in Wrath, but Karazha...Ulduar was the best instance in Wrath, but Karazhan was the best instance in WoW.<br /><br />If they made it today, with hardmodes, it'd be supremely badass.Duskstormnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81035029572092814832010-08-09T16:48:35.426+02:002010-08-09T16:48:35.426+02:00@Shadowstep: You'd be surprised how hard it is...@Shadowstep: You'd be surprised how hard it is to get a 25-man up and off the ground in a regular raiding group that has an average of 30 players on at most given play times. (Or a regular 10 man, for that matter.)<br /><br />Everyone has their own agendas. With the non-requirements (which are very alluring to a casual person like myself), it's probably even more difficult. Active-account does not equal "always on The PuG character".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1429672855001898182010-08-09T16:27:59.856+02:002010-08-09T16:27:59.856+02:00@ShadowStep
150 players != 150 80's. There is...@ShadowStep<br /><br />150 players != 150 80's. There is no lvl limit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33725474759898918362010-08-09T15:47:52.729+02:002010-08-09T15:47:52.729+02:00@Gevlon you are correct I did unintentionally comp...@Gevlon you are correct I did unintentionally compare the two projects. I think I was reading more into Numinous's comment than there might be, thinking that he meant doing content without overgearing it - enjoying the challenges of the instances the way they were meant to be done, instead of the grinding for badges and gear. And from that point of view then the Undergeared guild might be a fit for what he wants to do.WeekendWarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17011331087756272209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53659848054502049652010-08-09T15:28:47.387+02:002010-08-09T15:28:47.387+02:00So 153 "Active" accounts and there aren&...So 153 "Active" accounts and there aren't enough people to pull a 25 man, something doesn't add up there unless the majority of your guild is made up of alts from upper level guilds and the "lol gs sux" crowd. Not to devalue what you are doing, but if you cant scrape a 25 man together with 150 people that are purportedly active it seems off.Shadowstepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63412265343116405642010-08-09T14:58:38.323+02:002010-08-09T14:58:38.323+02:00@Kragnok
Having Kingslayer is actually a benefit ...@Kragnok<br /><br />Having Kingslayer is actually a benefit in and of itself, no matter how it was obtained: It gives you acces to ICC hard modes, including such epic fights as Marrowgar hard and Lootship heroic.<br /><br />That was what they were trying to sell, they as a guild had access to easily-obtainable ilvl 277 gear.Ulrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184549450504424731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65980086171994979472010-08-09T14:39:37.538+02:002010-08-09T14:39:37.538+02:00@Weekendwarrior: you are mixing The PuG and Underg...@Weekendwarrior: you are mixing The PuG and Undergeared.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48292511388422967812010-08-09T14:14:54.549+02:002010-08-09T14:14:54.549+02:00@Numinous and others who read these posts and thin...@Numinous and others who read these posts and think they would join if they were on U.S. Servers you have 2 choices. <br />1. you can create an EU account and join them or <br />2. you can join the U.S. version of the Undergeared project. I'm on the U.S. side and it would be great to have more participation. http://undergeared.omgforum.net/forum.htm<br /><br />WeekendWarrior/MythstakenWeekendWarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17011331087756272209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24701628874673175712010-08-09T13:17:05.765+02:002010-08-09T13:17:05.765+02:00Where Tobold errs is where he calls it a design fl...Where Tobold errs is where he calls it a design flaw. The content is there and it works just fine. The truth of the matter is the flaw is in the players who choose to ignore the older content. To the social it would be beneath them to do a raid below ICC unless it is a weekly.<br /><br />I logged on my semi-retired unguilded hunter in Naxx gear, and was hit up with a random raid guild invite from some "friendly" guys who's main selling point was that one of the guildies was a Kingslayer. I checked out the player to verify he had the title and asked about who he ran with to get the title, he mentioned the top guild on the server. I asked if he was in the guild at the time to which he replied no, he paid for the run and the title. Because he paid for the run, he was carried and since he was carried he recieved the title which in the eyes of the social makes him a good player.Kragnoknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25259750302977679002010-08-09T13:08:34.774+02:002010-08-09T13:08:34.774+02:00"You killed him while we were outside?"
..."You killed him while we were outside?"<br /><br />Now, that's funny. ;)Denethalhttp://paladinwithin.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7096772639845646262010-08-09T12:00:20.881+02:002010-08-09T12:00:20.881+02:00Everything is in 10 man unless 25 mentioned explic...Everything is in 10 man unless 25 mentioned explicitly. We don't have enough people online to do 25-mans.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.com