tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post962341683063077578..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Drop old professions!Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75524640593768334332010-10-28T15:00:03.188+02:002010-10-28T15:00:03.188+02:00@trelocke
Your point would be correct if we were ...@trelocke<br /><br />Your point would be correct if we were dealing with a large and "perfectly efficient" economy. On most wow servers, you will not be able to consitently sell a specific type of cut gem (or especially a glyph) by simply listing it as the same price as the lowest such gem on the AH. Frequently they are priced above market and/or the AH is being camped. <br /><br />Regardless though, that was never my original point. For those of us that got bored with the AH, or never liked the AH in the first place, it's easy to save lots of gold by simply having alts with all the crafting professions.<br /><br />I have every crafting profession covered on an alt, and hence I never need to buy anything except raw mats which are cheap. Of course I probably would have made more gold by continuing to work the gem and glyph markets during that time instead of leveling up alts. But which one is more fun?thehamsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89972123781463281822010-10-27T21:52:18.723+02:002010-10-27T21:52:18.723+02:00@thehamster:
1. Pulling random statistics out of ...@thehamster:<br /><br />1. Pulling random statistics out of nowhere doesn't help your argument. I'm an Alch/JC and I consistently sell gems without ever having to relist...it simply requires knowing your market and posting at the appropriate times.<br /><br />2. *You* choosing not to transmute, cut, post and sell a gem does not nullify the existence of the opportunity. By failing to take advantage of the opportunity, you are costing yourself profit.<br /><br />Look, I'm not concerned with your specific reasons for not generating profit that is obviously available. I'm not even saying you're wrong to use your professions in whichever manner you choose. It's your preference. I'm simply stating that you saying you're "saving" anything by transmuting and cutting for yourself is a fallacy. The facts of the matter are: you *could* transmute everyday, you *could* cut it, you *could* post and sell it on the AH. Your fat bank account, lack of motivation and/or lack of acknowledgment doesn't change those facts.Trelockenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70878830765152068872010-10-27T16:43:05.243+02:002010-10-27T16:43:05.243+02:00When you skill engeneering or BS up to 450 what qu...When you skill engeneering or BS up to 450 what quality-items are you crafting in the part 420-450?<br /><br />rare or epic, I don´t think that will change. Tey only change that you wouldn´t have to craft 30 but 10 or 15.Visalyarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86745908146008279152010-10-27T14:48:56.507+02:002010-10-27T14:48:56.507+02:00I realize professions will give more skill pts for...I realize professions will give more skill pts for creating epic/rares... but who the heck ever creates those anyways??? Even if they gave 3-5 points, creating 3-5 cheap greens is almost always cheaper. <br />So to those who say do research on faster profs: no, you do research. They said NOTHING about easier prof levelling besides the higher pts for rare/epics which is completely useless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-39441454542860553032010-10-27T14:20:56.258+02:002010-10-27T14:20:56.258+02:00@Trelocke:
Actually it is valid for 2 reasons:
1...@Trelocke:<br /><br />Actually it is valid for 2 reasons:<br /><br />1. Often the price of gems on the AH is above market. Just because the cheapest reckless ametrine at a given time is listed at 250 gold doesn't mean it's going to sell (and 80% of the time it won't b/c someone will undercut it in at most a few hours). <br /><br />2. Many people, like myself who accumulated a lot of gold since wrath began, don't even bother with doing our daily epic gem transmutes anymore unless we feel especially motivated. Needing some gems for my main toon will motivate me to log onto my several toons with maxed alchemy to make gems.thehamsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59132889542501333702010-10-27T12:24:37.967+02:002010-10-27T12:24:37.967+02:00"Excellent post, Ephemeron. You should start ...<i>"Excellent post, Ephemeron. You should start a wow-blog"</i><br /><br />I tried that (a blog named "Mark of Sargeras" written from Nathrezim's perspective), but it failed miserably. Pretty much nobody ever commented, and I couldn't keep up an active posting schedule. :(<br /><br />Maybe I should start another, this time with less RP.Ephemeronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16403198085556121203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86810873221592166112010-10-27T06:57:44.544+02:002010-10-27T06:57:44.544+02:00While any profession can be profitable. When they ...While any profession can be profitable. When they are most profitable will vary. People tend to jump onto the most viable professions and as a result being in the other markets takes less time to turn a profit.<br /><br />I don't agree with your reasoning though. A person can 'suck' at one class but excel at another. Likewise if someone doesn't enjoy a profession they may have a harder time being sucessful at it. If you have a profession relevant to your character class it gives a better understanding of what crafted items are useful.<br />A non-raider would have to do more research to understand the raiding market to compete there for example.<br /><br />When Cataclysm launches many people will level alts and once boredom with end level content sets in some of those alts will reach a high enough level to max out professions. Those who want to see all the content will level an additional 2-4 characters and you only need six characters to cover all the professions it actually isn't too painful to acheive this.Greygamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10911009318907407659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4356557423513917342010-10-26T23:30:17.750+02:002010-10-26T23:30:17.750+02:00You seem to be intimating that Markco said that yo...You seem to be intimating that Markco said that you should spend time leveling alts to get all professions.<br /><br />All he said in the quote was that if you ALREADY HAVE multiple alts, having unique professions represented is excellent utility, and likely outweighs the benefits of having any particular profession on any particular class.<br /><br />Your argument that choosing professions based on what you like to do is excellent if you only play one or two chars. But having 4 max level alts all with LW/Skinning because you like it seems quite M&S to me.Bristalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849907713604626977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41592779083230658932010-10-26T22:55:17.054+02:002010-10-26T22:55:17.054+02:00Tenko said: "Who's buying this stuff?&quo...Tenko said: "Who's buying this stuff?"<br /><br />People who are switching mains. In my guild there was a huge shake up with the patch. Hunters specifically have had their ranks decimated due to changes, but other classes as well as burnout sets in. My guild continues to raid despite the fact that the challenge has long passed, and yet many feel the need to be geared to raid on their "new main".Axnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24646637079694845822010-10-26T22:19:38.885+02:002010-10-26T22:19:38.885+02:00@thehamster
Your point #2 is invalid. If a cut ge...@thehamster<br /><br />Your point #2 is invalid. If a cut gem cost you X on the AH and you instead transmute and cut it yourself for your own use, you cost yourself the profit of what you would have made had you sold it on the AH. It may be a wash, but a wash is not savings.Trelockenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29018736455034443542010-10-26T22:11:38.656+02:002010-10-26T22:11:38.656+02:00I would not level alts JUST for professions but th...I would not level alts JUST for professions but there is a lot of synergy in making money between professions. Like my Alchemist transmutes Rubies and my JC cuts them to more valuable Bold Cardinal Rubies. There is some nice synergy to having access to all professions.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-49892846179948361202010-10-26T20:11:39.458+02:002010-10-26T20:11:39.458+02:00"For example, a hypothetical Blacksmith can s..."For example, a hypothetical Blacksmith can spend 20 minutes making and auctioning belt buckles to make a net profit of 600g. This means that Blacksmithing has 1.8K/hour income rate. Or does it?"<br /><br />Making buckles doesn't require being a blacksmith. I get buckles made and sell them, usually paying some blacksmith from trade or that I know around 1-2g per buckle.<br /><br />being a blacksmith saves the 1-2g per buckle (avg profit per buckle for me after paying this is still around 5g), and makes it easier to make them afk. <br /><br />If that's the only thing you do with BS, it's hardly worth spending the time and gold to level it, IMO, and I certainly wouldn't drop another profession for it unless it was for other reasons (raiding bonuses).<br /><br />In general, I'm split between Markco and Gevlon. I don't think it's a good idea to drop professions, as you never know when some of the recipes you have could turn valuable. That said, I agree with Gevlon that leveling an entirely new character is a *huge* cost. If you don't already have alts that you have leveled, or would level anyway, it probably makes more sense to switch professions on an existing character. or to not switch at all.<br /><br />As some have said -- if you can't make a profit with crafting prof A, are you *sure* that you can make one with crafting prof B?<br /><br />Why not try to gather mats, get stuff crafted in trade and sell it first.<br /><br />Then you can judge whether it saves enough time and tips/payments to have the profession yourself.<br /><br />I would absolutely say this: Do not drop a profession in order to take up another for goldmaking purposes, unless you are actually making gold with the new profession through trade crafting and can justify the leveling cost with known extra profits (from reducing the time and expenses of finding and paying other people to craft for you).The Gnome of Zurichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203965173625552516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87774542031183235742010-10-26T18:41:10.031+02:002010-10-26T18:41:10.031+02:00Got myslef to the end of that line... ...just need...Got myslef to the end of that line... ...just needet some seconds without my boss creeping up to me.<br /><br />I just get the needet materials for 450 in BS an drop my mining when it gets less profit than BS. Just takes some of my stockpile an I can enlist enchanting materials for upcoming goblin twinks. <br /><br />/solvet and thanks for the needet shove.Visalyarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27760975305498573822010-10-26T18:15:24.004+02:002010-10-26T18:15:24.004+02:00I've been making a lot of gold with JC lately,...I've been making a lot of gold with JC lately, which was pretty much expected since every ArP-filled melee, myself included, had to regem their whole sets. What really surprised me is that I've been making quite a bit with LW BoEs too. At this point of the expansion, people are still buying iLv 264 epics that will be replaced with dungeon blues in a few weeks. And these are not the hardcore raiders who need every extra bit of stats to perform well, since those bought their BoEs a long time ago. Who's buying this stuff?<br /><br />Not that I'm complaining, I surely enjoy the extra gold on my pockets.Tenkonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79430356234054351762010-10-26T16:34:49.869+02:002010-10-26T16:34:49.869+02:00Excellent post, Ephemeron. You should start a wow...Excellent post, Ephemeron. You should start a wow-blog blog. <br /><br />But yes, Marcko's point was simply that diversification is important for the already-successful tycoon. Moreover, Gevlon's contention that you won't make money in the new profession is very wrong. Learning a new market in a game as simple as wow hardly takes a couple minutes every day for a few days. At that point, you have just diversified, have less DR effects, and much more importantly, you are protected against investment risk. Undercutters and free-farmers can't affect your bottom line if you can temporarily switch production when they undercut a market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-68430288225218152082010-10-26T16:30:13.788+02:002010-10-26T16:30:13.788+02:00@Ydraisa: I think the outcome ist pretty clear, to...@Ydraisa: I think the outcome ist pretty clear, to make more gold by using more professions, you have to invest more time.<br /><br />4 hours spend on 4 charakters with 8 crafting professions might give you 16k<br />1 hour spend on one character with 2 professoins will get you 4k just ignoring the individual professions quality. You get 4k/h either way... ...sinergy not includet.<br /><br />you don´t change the gold per hour, you increase the maximum effective time spend.<br /><br />But since you invest time into leveling toons you have to subtract this. if as Galvon said, you´d spend 100 hours upraising a toon you´ve got to make doubled amound of money for 100 hours. I know that this is a bit of "in a nutshell".<br /><br />The time spend leveling your profession and your toon should also be calculated by time = money. If you´ve got nothing better to do it´s your alternative for rading or serious pvp. But if you spend time leveling your toon instead of earning gold, you´re loosing gold.<br /><br />@Anonymous: That information is out there for several month. you will get more skillpoints for crafting expensive epics and blues. search the cataclysm profession changes it´s somwhere that way...Visalyarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75955337494317926942010-10-26T16:13:05.958+02:002010-10-26T16:13:05.958+02:00@Ydraisa: I mostly answered this to Ephemeron, but...@Ydraisa: I mostly answered this to Ephemeron, but I will (when I have time) add a paragraph to the text to clarify.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83494923005484420282010-10-26T16:09:16.646+02:002010-10-26T16:09:16.646+02:00@Grim,
All the engineering tinkers have been buff...@Grim,<br /><br />All the engineering tinkers have been buffed+nerfed in the latest patch.<br /><br />Buffed, because they now stack with regular enchants, but nerfed to generally take away the enchantment part, leaving just the cool gadgety part behind.<br /><br />For example, nitro boosts still give 5 sec of rocket speed, but no longer give crit rating. For tanks, the reticulated webbing for gloves is now just 250 armor instead of 885 (which you can stack with the +240 glove reinforcements if you want).Zifmiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11189800115760038541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54301877515425733392010-10-26T16:08:33.743+02:002010-10-26T16:08:33.743+02:00@Anonymous
Don't beg for hand holding, read th...@Anonymous<br />Don't beg for hand holding, read the forums and Blue posts, I'll just give you a hint: you will be gaining more skillpoints per craft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9435588409794898522010-10-26T16:07:25.318+02:002010-10-26T16:07:25.318+02:00Detvinghuntagolbin indeed !!! Gevlon, I am so gra...Detvinghuntagolbin indeed !!! Gevlon, I am so grateful you write during my nighttime so I can read your posts first thing in the morning - I will be laughing all day at that name!Imraith Dos Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302616885968019914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27900352859983779592010-10-26T15:50:10.812+02:002010-10-26T15:50:10.812+02:00Gevlon, you mention faster trade skill levelling s...Gevlon, you mention faster trade skill levelling system in Cata... any more concrete details about this? First time I hear about it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80134415605494805392010-10-26T15:39:42.185+02:002010-10-26T15:39:42.185+02:00I think what you talk about in your article Gevlon...I think what you talk about in your article Gevlon and what Markco is talking about in his are two different and unrelated things.<br /><br />On one hand he is touching on the topic of having more than one character and diversifying.<br /><br />There's only so much you can make with any profession.<br /><br />Take inscription for example, even if you make 3k each day from selling glyphs, and you spend 30 minutes listing, crafting, and picking up mail, you cannot double the money you make by doubling the time spent on it. Or triple. Or quadruple. It would be silly to say that because the calculated gold / hour is 6k with inscription, you'll make 30k each day if you spend 5 hours on it.<br /><br />What you can do instead if you wish to make more gold each day than what is possible with a single profession is have more professions, say tailoring, blacksmith and engineering and list many more different things in AH to sell. Diversify.<br /><br />At this point you spend 30 mins on inscription and make 3k, spend another 30 mins in tailoring and make say 2k, and so on. Now you can realistically spend 5 hours between all your alt professions and get 30k gold each day from the mail.<br /><br />This is where having alts with more professions helps - and I feel what Markco is talking about - but it's not for everyone, not that you suck at making money with one profession so you pick another - and this is what you talk about in your article.<br /><br />There's also the synergy between professions, where a product from one is the input for another, and the end product is sold in the AH. Think of the saronite shuffle where it was a synergy between Jewelcrafting and Enchanting, and there are a few more synergies like this.Catalinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284835624054583174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6892003426024346952010-10-26T14:16:12.863+02:002010-10-26T14:16:12.863+02:00A couple points:
1. Leveling up a new toon throug...A couple points:<br /><br />1. Leveling up a new toon through bg's and LFG is MUCH more fun than dailies/gathering/AH PVP IMHO.<br /><br />2. Gevlon, you forgot about the fact that money saved is money earned. After I leveled up a JC and alchemist, I saved a massive amount of money on epic gems.thehamsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23217053013797918142010-10-26T14:14:27.394+02:002010-10-26T14:14:27.394+02:00I absolutely agree that someone doing 2k on a mage...I absolutely agree that someone doing 2k on a mage will do about same on a lock.<br />However not all professions are created equal. Inscription is profitable as you level it. Blacksmithing isn't. At very least blacksmithing requires some time investment in order to see what sells for a profit, whereas in inscription about 4/5 leveling glyphs sell for a profit, or at least they did when I leveled it.<br /><br />I would agree that at max level, all crafting professions can be very profitable, but for someone rerolling on new server, I'd say pick inscription over blacksmithing.<br /><br />Having a lot of different professions may also be fun. You can have a flying carpet as a tailor, and engineers get some nice gadgets. Sribes get zilch though in terms of cool stuff, neither do blacksmiths/leatherworkers. Sure the buffs from professions are nice, and it's possible that someone likes the idea of making armor.<br /><br />This game is an RPG, and pen+pencil RPG's are played for fun, computer RPG's should be played same way. If it is fun for someone to have all different professions, it's not something they should be ostracized for.<br /><br />Having said all that, I absolutely agree that someone with maxed out crafting profession is making a mistake, if they feel they can make more money if only they level a new alt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65503252646049038072010-10-26T14:14:24.650+02:002010-10-26T14:14:24.650+02:00(Made a typo in the previous comment; should be &q...(Made a typo in the previous comment; should be "20 goblins per realm". The point still stands)Ephemeronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16403198085556121203noreply@blogger.com