tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post9047687383062513557..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: No horde say kek in WG!Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44051464958257393852010-05-06T01:30:57.149+02:002010-05-06T01:30:57.149+02:00@ardoRic
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Now you're getting VERY close to...@ardoRic<br /><br />:D<br /><br />Now you're getting VERY close to how we handled the problem during my old MUDding days.<br /><br />Let's just say that bots were never a major problem.Sten Düringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06676541059143438525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35492493282172668222010-05-05T12:25:40.684+02:002010-05-05T12:25:40.684+02:00Sten,
Don't think that making a bot to grief ...Sten,<br /><br />Don't think that making a bot to grief other bots is a solution to the botting issue.<br /><br />Elaborating on my idea, one could make a "holding pen" for bots. Even if they use their HS every cooldown to get away from there, the bot would be offline for at least 30 mins. When he does it the first time, we simply have a priest waiting for it to bring him back to the holding pen.<br /><br />Done right, the bots would be in a place where they can neither walk out from easily or die from environment.<br /><br />There could be a "bot sweeping party" every 30 mins or so to keep bot uptime at an all-time low.<br /><br />Too bad that HS cooldown has been taken down. This would be even better with 1 hour cooldown on HS.<br /><br />These are just random ramblings about how one could try and keep bots in check, not actual ideas I'd think Gevlon should do. Having an impact on VoA uptime is a lot better than the bot shenenigans.ardoRichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11034320697611212733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9851834960036163832010-05-05T11:33:47.260+02:002010-05-05T11:33:47.260+02:00@Anonymous: you need a lvl 77+ alt to queue up.
I...@Anonymous: you need a lvl 77+ alt to queue up.<br /><br />I don't think there are many people with 2 accounts and a Maghteridon-Ally lvl 77+ alt on it. <br /><br />Of course one can transfer or level a char. Leveling takes lot of time, transfer would cost money and losing a char on your main server/faction.<br /><br />One AFK-er makes no difference. To make it working lot of people should do it. And the catch is: since WG is free for everyone, you can't exclude freeloaders (those who don't level an ally but queue up and get the win). So no one is personally motivated to make this effort for the rest of the faction.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86460534991125838522010-05-05T10:58:16.538+02:002010-05-05T10:58:16.538+02:00Luckily you are not up against EVE Online metagame...Luckily you are not up against EVE Online metagamers: the simplest tactic is just to have an alliance alt. if a couple of dozen afk alts queued up on your side, it would affect your tenacity considerably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91806503435351093142010-05-05T01:13:43.243+02:002010-05-05T01:13:43.243+02:00@ardoRic
You're absolutely correct. However, ...@ardoRic<br /><br />You're absolutely correct. However, botting has very little to do with in-game efficiency.<br /><br />A bot (numbers taken right out of thin air) tends to help you make five minutes worth of work in ten minutes -- 24/7.<br /><br />Hence the only way to counter a bot is to use another bot for sabotage, as it can gank (equally inefficiently, but the farming bot will be coded for doing PvE-farming combat only, so that bot dies anyway) 24/7 as well.<br /><br />Botting a DK, as it starts at 55, with a max selfhealing tank-spec is likely the way to go for a simple solution.<br /><br />The ugly solution is to use a class with a fade/bubble effect on as a short a cooldown as possible. It rounds up mobs around the farming bot and leaves combat. That way you incurr in-game repair-costs on top of the sabotage.Sten Düringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06676541059143438525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25926510022671288372010-05-04T22:56:12.955+02:002010-05-04T22:56:12.955+02:00Would anyone be interested in trying a similar exp...Would anyone be interested in trying a similar experiment on a US server? I really want to join up but I can't really justify the extra money for another account right now. My budget is lame. Not trying to steal steam from you Gevlon, I think your idea is awesome. I just see a lot of people wanting to do something similar but being in the same position as me.dmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094737702689791546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13721885995002285732010-05-04T22:28:38.123+02:002010-05-04T22:28:38.123+02:00re "botting without annoying other players&qu...re "botting without annoying other players" - that is not strictly true. Early morning in bgs, maybe 20% of players from Alliance K-T (US) are bots. Another player said he has petitioned Kombatklye and kombatkarl from multiple accounts for months and nothing has been done. So i would not expect your bot to be gone a month from now.<br /><br />It does mean that these bots are getting far more honor than you (or I) ever will, which will periodically really annoys me. In point of fact, while the weekly WG is the best honor deal, after that I think serial random lfg is a better hk/hour than WG.<br /><br />All bots are bad, but the BG bots seem much worse to me. Partly because they have a more immediate impact on other players. The allies are not the best PvPers on my battlegroup so when you are Alliance in a EoS with 5 of 15 being bots, it is not fun. And when I am a stealthed rogue and kombatkarl follows me, mounted, through enemies I get annoyed. Especially since they tend not to waste time killing bots.<br /><br />I do think WG will do far more to get the attention of and hurt your enemy than ganking random farmers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85058385728562870522010-05-04T21:59:49.567+02:002010-05-04T21:59:49.567+02:00Given that I've spent many an October evening ...Given that I've spent many an October evening in the SM graveyard surrounded by Headless Horseman corpses, I am somewhat bemused by your choice of a quote to start this post.Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43507667266431031102010-05-04T21:39:49.167+02:002010-05-04T21:39:49.167+02:00With a well-coordinated group of 20-30 skilled pla...With a well-coordinated group of 20-30 skilled players, it's fairly easy to hold the line against most people who attempt to cross; even people running 25-player VoAs tend not to trickle in rather than all forming up outside the gate at once. On those occasions when a raid actually gets organized and tries to take you on head-to-head, it's more of a challenge, but as long as you prioritize the warlocks and such, it doesn't matter if they get a couple people past you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63149623328199769602010-05-04T21:20:11.580+02:002010-05-04T21:20:11.580+02:00Just an idea to fix your gankscore glitch, couldn&...Just an idea to fix your gankscore glitch, couldn't you set it to ignore, or penalize, the death if the killing blow is from fall damage? I know there's a few addons that can find the source of the damage, and if the death is from fall damage or environmental [drowning, lava, etc.] than you could just ignore the BG death.Stubbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25458256036512537152010-05-04T20:35:59.485+02:002010-05-04T20:35:59.485+02:00I do not think that ganking at the portal can be a...I do not think that ganking at the portal can be as easy as you say, just because there will be no restrictions for numbers and tenacity will not be active. Sheer weight of numbers will make you an easy kill no matter your individual skill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59272849061945920582010-05-04T19:39:07.212+02:002010-05-04T19:39:07.212+02:00It's also enjoyable from time to time to delib...It's also enjoyable from time to time to deliberately "lose" WG when on defense (which your guild should be able to organize fairly easily) and then establish a defense around the VoA portal and gank everyone who tries to zone in until the next WG; with an organized group of competent players you can keep anyone of the opposing faction from running the raid at all the entire time that they "control" Wintergrasp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2963064891385656032010-05-04T18:56:01.602+02:002010-05-04T18:56:01.602+02:00@Greyhammer, no you can't transfer from EU to ...@Greyhammer, no you can't transfer from EU to US. <br /><br />I suggest to first create trial account and check latency.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4734803613663947542010-05-04T18:09:45.083+02:002010-05-04T18:09:45.083+02:00Gevlon,
Does WG count towards the scalp count, or...Gevlon,<br /><br />Does WG count towards the scalp count, or only world PvP events? I'm curious to see if the -20 penalty is making it hard for your to break even.<br /><br />-JRJustisraiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872558985402286215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7320940347925103962010-05-04T17:24:33.197+02:002010-05-04T17:24:33.197+02:00You should have done this on my realm. (Burning Bl...You should have done this on my realm. (Burning Blade-EU) I don´t know how many times I´ve ragequitted because of the alliance tactic you write about. =(Devantejahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78218438243852876612010-05-04T16:58:44.225+02:002010-05-04T16:58:44.225+02:00Clearly the ranks of this effort could be suppleme...Clearly the ranks of this effort could be supplemented by US transfers. I want to break down what is required for this just to be certain I have it right. I suspect others are curious, too. <br /> <br />So first, I need to buy EU WoW. Once I do that, will I need to level a toon there, or could I move my 80 PVP rogue from a US pve server to EU mag ?Phil Ullrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17951006638649001059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2624761246416985872010-05-04T16:58:44.226+02:002010-05-04T16:58:44.226+02:00@ Sten
It would probably be more effective to MC ...@ Sten<br /><br />It would probably be more effective to MC them to somewhere they can't get away from.<br /><br />Although it is possible they have an HS to go back to the farming spot. Or the bot master can go there and fix the situation if he doesn't see much income that day.ardoRichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11034320697611212733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23500360953907160302010-05-04T16:49:44.192+02:002010-05-04T16:49:44.192+02:00Gevlon,
Have you thought about camping the entran...Gevlon, <br />Have you thought about camping the entrance to ICC? It's a long narrow corridor. You could do that during prime time too and not let people into a progression raid.Kylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25234174450828755512010-05-04T15:58:40.414+02:002010-05-04T15:58:40.414+02:00The answer to farming bots is -- rather obviously,...The answer to farming bots is -- rather obviously, ganking bots.Sten Düringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06676541059143438525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51906311155471225182010-05-04T15:58:40.413+02:002010-05-04T15:58:40.413+02:00Good thing that most people in the horde side in m...Good thing that most people in the horde side in maggy are retarded.<br />2 days ago, on my lvl 59 death knight, i killed a 65 level death knight and a level 64 druid.<br />Are they as bad at level 80?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91410509644171109802010-05-04T15:51:55.760+02:002010-05-04T15:51:55.760+02:00I am just wondering, perhaps it is different on EU...I am just wondering, perhaps it is different on EU realms, but here on the US realms I have been on almost no guilds run guild VOAs, and prime time is infact the least significant time of the day for VOA for us.<br /><br />Generally, VOA is so easy, that even with a raid full of random M&S it is doable. 95% of pug VOAs 1shot the bosses.<br /><br />Since this is the case, VOA is almost always pugged, and most frequently at off times to avoid conflicting with real raiding schedules. <br /><br />While if you can some how formulate enough interest and members to hold VOA at almost all times of the day (which if you convince enough non EU players to grab accounts and roll on your server to assist, maybe you could due to time zone differences) but if you are holding it only during prime time hours, perhaps the impact may be rather less than you expect.Ciriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45537969171135697902010-05-04T14:47:16.085+02:002010-05-04T14:47:16.085+02:00I hadn't considered the effect on the economy,...I hadn't considered the effect on the economy, of camping bots. Someone made that same point in a reply to me on the last post. That's a good point, with fewer materials, prices go up and players are more likely to try to farm their own mats.<br /><br />My advice on the bots, assuming that it is true that Blizzard prefers to ban in waves every few months (thus allowing bots like Historyy to farm unimpeded for weeks)-- have everyone in the guild report them. See if multiple reports from different people has any effect. Even though I'm sure if Historyy is banned, soon you will see Historyyy in his place.<br /><br />Also, it'd be interesting to see what horde chat is like prior to WG starting in prime time if they continue to lose. There should be some pretty funny arguments going on.Tonushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01082528970434639776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84776479175350205342010-05-04T14:29:08.632+02:002010-05-04T14:29:08.632+02:0025 is all you need, 25 trained and ready players. ...25 is all you need, 25 trained and ready players. Hordies get random picks out of 100's of player on the queue. This will give them mounting aggrivation each time you are successful since they will more and more players frustrated from not being able to farm Voa.<br /><br />The problem I see with this is that success raises the morale of your faction and then the M&S of you faction will queue up too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30481111635144837372010-05-04T14:23:39.240+02:002010-05-04T14:23:39.240+02:00@Olgs: No, the "queue" is not a queue, I...@Olgs: No, the "queue" is not a queue, It's just an "I want in" flag, you are randomly selected from the "queue".<br /><br />http://www.wow.com/2009/06/20/patch-3-2-gives-wintergrasp-a-queue/Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74813876571661221032010-05-04T14:18:14.161+02:002010-05-04T14:18:14.161+02:00Actually, they can control the queue, cause it'...Actually, they can control the queue, cause it's actually a queue, as far as i know. First in, first out, you just need to queue yourself earlier than M&S, and it's rather easy, as M&S don't bother with WG when queuing actually starts.Leehohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07438956683794597730noreply@blogger.com