tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post8960391193690304194..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: "Separate but equal"Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23617514044140084782013-08-01T06:59:00.472+02:002013-08-01T06:59:00.472+02:00Stop being dense. Does SMA or TRIBE have the powe...Stop being dense. Does SMA or TRIBE have the power to say "Ok CFC/Rebels, tomorrow we're gonna deploy to __"? No. Can they say "GSF/TEST your performance has been underwhelming, we're booting you from the coaltion"? No.<br /><br />That is the inequality he is talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5464818559022617782013-07-31T10:26:43.522+02:002013-07-31T10:26:43.522+02:00The leader reached his position by meritocracy. If...The leader reached his position by meritocracy. If he fails to lead well, he lose his members, so they can assess his performance.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74279762056338456262013-07-31T10:01:18.327+02:002013-07-31T10:01:18.327+02:00How is this difrent from being in a corp or being ...How is this difrent from being in a corp or being a corp within an alliance. <br />In a corp each member can be kicked for under performing by the ceo/corp owner, and in each alliance each corp can be kicked by the alliance ceo for under performing, but offcourse the corp ceo or alliance ceo does not kick him self or his corp for doing just the same. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12809869824645267803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91516832063734592202013-07-31T09:13:43.631+02:002013-07-31T09:13:43.631+02:00I always found it perplexing how people seem to th...I always found it perplexing how people seem to think that real life has privileged access to atrocious behaviour.<br /><br />Discrimination is discrimination. <br /><br />Racial discrimination IRL is worse than playstyle discrimination in Eve, because it is much harder t get out of it. However, the mechanics are all the same.<br /><br />----------------<br /><br />Also it is very cute how people who submit themselves to power decisions of others take offense at being called "pets".<br /><br />Ain't you just cuddly fluffy prettiest things :DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285916605762869349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85214098252269634182013-07-31T07:08:17.207+02:002013-07-31T07:08:17.207+02:00Man this article is spot on except for the part w...Man this article is spot on except for the part where everything is wrong. <br /><br />"I don't know the history well, neither I care." Despite this you still somehow have an opinion. That's... problematic. Because our history is why we have a coalition structure rather than a giant bloated corpse of an alliance. <br /><br />Believe it or not, a lot of our allies have no desire to be in Goonwaffe proper. And for good reason. This allows them to keep their own command structures and pursue their own goals in their own way. If RZR or EXE were in alliance with us they would have to use our doctrines, our tax structures, our everything. Instead, they've integrated to the point where we can work together when required, but still have enough freedom to manage their own processes. They provide input at the organizational level, but if they want to fly logis with guns then they can, they just have to pay for them. <br /><br />If they were fully integrated they would lose that freedom. Then they really would be "pets" as they would be subject to whatever mad whims our directorate cooks up. As it stands, they reap the benefits of association with Goonwaffe, without the horrible aspect of actually being in CONDI. We all fight together and we all share the loot together. <br /><br />If you look at TEST you'll see that you've had issues with enforcing battle doctrines, maintaining morale, and getting robbed blind by your own people. This is because your policy for the last year or so has been to absorb every two bit corp the CFC has steamrolled in the past. You've assembled a peanut gallery of losers and now are helpless as it tears itself apart. And it's going to continue to do that because you no longer have a distinct culture but a hodgepodge of groups that have no common ground other than a shared hatred of the CFC. <br /><br />The closest thing the CFC has to a "pet" is FWeddit, and that situation only exists because they're too young and too small to get into sovwar by themselves. We gave them a couch to crash on, integrated them into our combat operations, and they've proven themselves to the most bloodthirsty, savage, vicious little newbies we could hope for. With combat operations in Fountain coming to an end they now get to decide if they're just war tourists who will show up for a good brawl, or if they want to stay with us as an ally and share the spoils of whatever war we find ourselves in next. <br /><br />See, one of the basic principles of the CFC is that we don't have pets. We either stand beside you or against you. We may rob you blind, burn down everything you've worked for, and scatter your ashes across the galaxy, but we will never charge you rent.Keternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-47981467688464530662013-07-31T06:36:59.015+02:002013-07-31T06:36:59.015+02:00There is so much bad in this article, I am just go...There is so much bad in this article, I am just going to concentrate on one paragraph.<br /><br /><i><br />Even if there are honest attempts from CFC leadership to keep them equal, the pets get inferior treatment<br /></i><br />Can you provide even the slightest amount of evidence for this? All members as far as I can see have access to the same services, the same reimbursement programs, the same newbie welfare programs and the same change to make a career for themselves. They are in no way seen to be inferior.<br /><i><br />, due to the important figures mostly being Goons, and they naturally look after their people, while pets don't get this attention.<br /></i><br /><br />Again, evidence? Please provide some. All people in the CFC are looked after the same. They all have access to the same opportunities and services. Please note, there are not "separate but equal" opportunities or services, they are the <b>the exact same</b> ones. Goons go to great pains to ensure this happens to guarantee a cohesive organisation. <br /><i><br /> However I doubt if there are even attempts. From time to time we here this or that alliance kicked from CFC for "underperformance".<br /></i><br />Purges at an alliance level happen for cultural reasons. Routinely failing to turn up for strat ops leads to you being dead weight. Any rational organization will remove under performing members. Often the underperformers are the leaders who fail to get the line members into the fight. Those who do perform within a purged alliance <b>always find their way into another CFC alliance if they want to</b><br /><i><br />However Goonwaffe members don't even have to comply to formal standards.<br /></i><br />They do. Goonwaffe and GSF members and directors are purged on a regular basis, with extreme prejudiced for being douch canoes, or failing to turn up for strat ops.<br /><i><br /> The position of the line Goon is safe without doing anything,<br /></i><br />It's really not.<br /><br /><i><br /> by his "birthright" of coming from SA. <br /></i><br />Birthright is a membership requirement, not a guarantee of having a home in GSF. Being on the SA forums doesn't keep you in the alliance for doing nothing.<br /><i><br />On the other hand if a pet doesn't perform properly, he is punished.<br /></i><br />Anyone in the coalition not performing is purged. Why is this bad?<br /><i><br /> GSF had half as many troops to 6VDT than TEST, despite equal size. Will anyone has to fear consequences of this pathetic performance?</i><br />So number of troops at a particular battle equals not pulling your weight? Riiiiight. How exactly does this work? Timezones, real life, etc etc may have made it difficult for CONDI members to show up for this one. Or they may have been busy doing other things within the game.<br /><br />Your biggest mistake is you see CFC as a group of separate entities. They are, for all intents and purposes one entity - your separate but equal argument is not only offensive and baseless, but borders on a level of retard that even for you is amazing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81091521579433332302013-07-30T23:52:48.745+02:002013-07-30T23:52:48.745+02:00@Gevlon: "Because TEST has no pets (maybe TRI...@Gevlon: "Because TEST has no pets (maybe TRIBE can count that, but even that's not official), so Dreddit being whatever is irrelevant. <br /><br />There wouldn't be any problem if Goons would stand alone with whatever membership requests. The problem is CFC with its satellite-pets."<br /><br />This whole thing here, makes absolutely no sense. This is you trying to rescue any shred of dignity by jamming it in wherever it fits. But it doesn't fit, because the whole subject is a load of propaganda.<br />Goons selecting members from SA forums has nothing to do with the CFC or choice of allies. It's EXACTLY the same as TEST recruiting from reddit. and neither point has anything to do with goons standing alone. Of course they couldn't stand alone against TEST/TRIBE/N3/NC./PL, but thenh thats why they formed a coalition of alliances with similar beliefs.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80638141911832366342013-07-30T21:31:31.493+02:002013-07-30T21:31:31.493+02:00Well, I am from a Non-US NATO member state.
And y...Well, I am from a Non-US NATO member state.<br /><br />And yes: we are US-Pets!<br /><br />Our leaders are occasionally disagreeing with US politics but usually don't act that way for fear of angering the US.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44946846345347891082013-07-30T20:45:27.928+02:002013-07-30T20:45:27.928+02:00Because TEST has no pets (maybe TRIBE can count th...Because TEST has no pets (maybe TRIBE can count that, but even that's not official), so Dreddit being whatever is irrelevant. <br /><br />There wouldn't be any problem if Goons would stand alone with whatever membership requests. The problem is CFC with its satellite-pets.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81046645505580403342013-07-30T20:34:21.944+02:002013-07-30T20:34:21.944+02:00So is Dreddit racist too for requiring people to p...So is Dreddit racist too for requiring people to post for 3 months on reddit.com (The worst site on the internet) to join? I want you to explain why not if you insist that Goons are racist for this same reason. Thanks in advance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17898814299925512062013-07-30T20:34:06.708+02:002013-07-30T20:34:06.708+02:00If you want to do analogies to real life, then are...<i>If you want to do analogies to real life, then are all NATO members USA pets? The whole alliance is built around the US, so wouldn't that be the case?</i><br /><br />As an American, I can say yes, we certainly think of them that way.Phelpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270536870200063563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71448880367984961012013-07-30T19:41:07.554+02:002013-07-30T19:41:07.554+02:00It goes further than that. If you haven't noti...It goes further than that. If you haven't noticed, the CFC's most recent pet is actually named "I whip my slaves back and forth".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33819467496171046222013-07-30T17:04:28.008+02:002013-07-30T17:04:28.008+02:00"They might even "jokingly" use the..."They might even "jokingly" use the N-word or other racist/sexist slurs on you. It is not funny. Not at all."<br /><br />Right, because TEST wouldn't use racist/sexist slurs at all.<br /><br />I'm not sure what your point it - different people choose to be in different corps, these corps treat each other differently, and this is somehow equivalent to racism/apartheid how?<br /><br />No one chose to be black or white in Jim Crow south.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21115395855646750212013-07-30T17:03:48.146+02:002013-07-30T17:03:48.146+02:00@Gevlon: "I don't know the history well, ...@Gevlon: "I don't know the history well, neither I care"<br />And this is exactly why people tell you not to comment on these matters. You don't know, you have no desire to know, yet you feel somehow your opinion is required?<br /><br />If you want to take the time to understand and to gather facts then make a post based on your opinions in view of those facts, then you'd get a lot better responses. All the time you make kee-jerk reaction posts on subjectes you don't understand (most of EVE it seems) you will get people arguing against you. And they will almost always be right.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61941234996077824202013-07-30T15:34:15.994+02:002013-07-30T15:34:15.994+02:00The term you are so desperately looking for is spa...The term you are so desperately looking for is space-sectarian. To which the whole of Eve will no doubt shrug. Please do keep the comedy up, it's quite amusing. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32707403449240119552013-07-30T15:26:54.450+02:002013-07-30T15:26:54.450+02:00@Babar: I don't know the history well, neither...@Babar: I don't know the history well, neither I care. Again: I don't doubt that Goons weren't always like this.<br /><br />But they are like this now.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35948257193830404072013-07-30T15:12:12.377+02:002013-07-30T15:12:12.377+02:00What? Dreddit was formed in February 2010, The Mit...What? Dreddit was formed in February 2010, The Mittani because CEO in July the same year. At this point, Goonswarm had already defeated BoB, the rifter swarm was years before. Dreddit became allied with Goons basically from the start, a few months with Darius and then Mittani as Goonwaffe CEO. How can you continue to spew out factually wrong things, then simply ignore when you are being called out on it?Babarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82004593689871559752013-07-30T14:58:13.858+02:002013-07-30T14:58:13.858+02:00@Jason Duril: it wasn't a problem if GoonWaffe...@Jason Duril: it wasn't a problem if GoonWaffe would be just one of the equal corps of an alliance and not the only one that has to adhere no performance standards and give most of the leaders.<br /><br />@Huey Newton: yes, that happened way before The Mittani, back when Goons were in rifters. I don't say that the line goons were naturally evil (that would be space-racism itself), I'm saying that the current empire of The Mittani is space-racist.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21918163491415499672013-07-30T14:52:14.681+02:002013-07-30T14:52:14.681+02:00Hey, so, just to recap.
Dreddit were offered to j...Hey, so, just to recap.<br /><br />Dreddit were offered to join Goonswarm, long ago, repeatedly, amidst cries of "Why aren't these guys in the alliance yet?". There was a standing offer for them to join. They instead decided to make their own. Then Goonswarm helped them take all the space they own(ed lol), gave them way more moons that they would have 'deserved' based off their performance, and remained allied with them until they started accumulating all the dregs left over from its previous conquests. This somehow translates into a "white man's burden" scenario because space-racism.<br /><br />Did I get that roughly right? I think I did.Huey Newtonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24031623076487229962013-07-30T14:04:45.999+02:002013-07-30T14:04:45.999+02:00Gevlon, you're an idiot.
GoonWaffe is a corp...Gevlon, you're an idiot. <br /><br />GoonWaffe is a corp made for Goons, a term used for members of the Something Awful community.<br /><br />In order to be part of a community, you need to participate in it. If you don't want to, why would you want to join GoonWaffe then? That's just retarded.<br /><br />It's the same reason Dreddit recruits from the Reddit forums, because they're meant as a corp for the members of the Reddit community.<br /><br />I personally can't stand Reddit (r/mensrights is why the stereotype of the Redditer exists), and as such, I would have no interest joining a corp filled with Reddit community members.<br /><br />Does this logic somehow escape you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00154171764215069399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43205749892814020032013-07-30T13:27:47.203+02:002013-07-30T13:27:47.203+02:00Re: Corporations in Goonswarm.
I could write a wh...Re: Corporations in Goonswarm.<br /><br />I could write a whole thing about the different corporations in Goonswarm, but it would be long and boring and more than a little inaccurate so here's a summary.<br /><br />Most corporations in GSF had discrete cultures and identities before joining goonswarm version whatever. <br /><br />Some, like MerchI, OEG, and Eighty Joule Brewery come from out of game communities that existed before EVE, just like goons or dredditors. <br /><br />Some are primarily non-english speakers, like Kriegsmarinewerft (German), Kernel of War(French), or NED-Clan (Dutch) <br /><br />Thunderwaffe is a LGBT-friendly corporation, unlike Goonwaffe which is violently homophobic in addition to being racist.<br /><br />Black Omega Security used to be goonfleet's patrons and mentors back in the days when goons qualified as pets.<br /><br />The remaining corps are either cool dudes that goons stole from other alliances, alt corps for various business ventures that require roles, or long dead legacy corps that are kept around for sentimental reasons (Long Live DPG!)<br /><br />It should be noted that many of the French and Russians in GSF today came from Red Alliance and Tau Ceti Federation. Together with Goonswarm, the three alliances once formed the Red Swarm Federation, an old school coalition in which the goons were undeniably the junior member.<br /><br />That was still longer than I would have liked, but barely scratched the surface. There's a lot of history in Goonswarm, the CFC, TEST, and all of EVE. Go poke around dotlan or the various public and private wikis if you want to kill some time and maybe learn a thing or two. I swear, kids these days ain't gotta clue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20930618366529026252013-07-30T11:53:17.864+02:002013-07-30T11:53:17.864+02:00You must "born" as a Goon, by spending I...<i>You must "born" as a Goon, by spending IRL time on that horrible forum.</i><br /><br />That's like saying that you must be "born" as a WoW raider by spending time and money enchanting/gemming your gear and not standing in fire, so anyone who kicks you out is a fun-hating Stalinist guilty of literal apartheid. <br /><br />Or, to use a RL example, sitting in front of the TV in nothing but a pizza-and-beer-stained T-shirt and complaining how "Da Man" keeps you down by cruelly forcing you to spend IRL time acquiring marketable skills and presentable appearance, instead of showering you with love and money that you are entitled to by the virtue of being a unique snowflake.<br /><br />Joining an internet forum and talking to people for a while is something that practically anyone is capable of doing. Ephemeronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16403198085556121203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36308536100730942452013-07-30T11:49:35.540+02:002013-07-30T11:49:35.540+02:00Not going to bother trying to argue the blog post ...Not going to bother trying to argue the blog post anymore, since it seems pretty pointless at this point. However, another factual error:<br />"TEST could hold Fountain by becoming an N3 pet, doing everything as told. They had attempts to turn us into pets. <br /><br />Booda gave the middle finger, formed for an USTZ timer and went down in flames instead of accepting NC. pethood."<br />This is obviously wrong. Fountain was already burning at this point, and losing it was inevitable. In fact, Test did do what N3 wanted, which is time everything for AUTZ. So even when Test did everything they were told, they failed to hold Fountain. The last battle was pointless, and everyone knew it, even Test leadership.Babarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53346764335845989852013-07-30T11:44:10.637+02:002013-07-30T11:44:10.637+02:00Why would TRIBE want to merge with TEST? What woul...Why would TRIBE want to merge with TEST? What would the tangible advantage to giving up their independence be?<br /><br />The leadership of a merged TEST+TRIBE alliance would almost certainly be all-TEST (and quickly become so if it doesn't start out that way) and TRIBE would run the risk of getting dragged down by a failure of TEST to defend Delve - what would they get in return?<br /><br />In its current position TRIBE has several options - they can stay close to TEST (leveraging the reputation for being the most faithful of allies that TRIBE leadership worked hard and took big risks to achieve), they can shift allegiance towards NCdot (and eventually take part in the war against TEST), they can look south for allies (remember their Paragon Soul holdings), or they could come to an arrangement with the goons if the CFC decides to push beyond Fountain.<br /><br />You don't have to be a militarily powerful nation in order to enjoy a high degree of independence - you just have to have more than one option available to you. Merging with TEST would be putting all their eggs into one basket and being forever confined to being untermenschen just as most test corporations (that are not dreddit or founded) are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75071967508372996932013-07-30T11:41:50.232+02:002013-07-30T11:41:50.232+02:00@Draghkar: Is there an objective size criteria &qu...@Draghkar: Is there an objective size criteria "you must be 189+ to be a corp (and not personal alt corp)"? If so and applies to everyone with no exceptions, allowing every pet to join on equal terms, I'm wrong. <br /><br />If it's "kinda" this way, I'm right.<br /><br />@Anonymous: no, it does NOT nullify my argument. TEST WAS a PL pet in HBC and people weren't happy about it. <br /><br />TEST could hold Fountain by becoming an N3 pet, doing everything as told. They had attempts to turn us into pets. <br /><br />Booda gave the middle finger, formed for an USTZ timer and went down in flames instead of accepting NC. pethood.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.com