tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post8531732722282238149..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Gem/enchant vs gearscore/ilvlGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17876675971604679622011-07-29T19:19:31.557+02:002011-07-29T19:19:31.557+02:00Anonymous, that all sounds fairly reasonable, but ...Anonymous, that all sounds fairly reasonable, but there is still no clear line between flasking and gemming. Like you said, if someone was all gemmed/enchanted except their boots then you probably wouldn't worry about it. What if someone is missing their meta? What is someone used uncommon gems instead of rares? What is someone used purple gems in red sockets to save money?<br /><br />There is a huge sliding scale, no hard and fast rule that no gems means useless player. In order for Gevlon's point to be valid he needs a *very* strong argument that no gems = bad player, not a reasonable-people-can-agree argument.<br /><br />When you are in a group with 4 guild members and a random, presumably you are expecting that things will go relatively smoothly unless the random is atrociously incompetent. For regular raiders, the random would have to be so bad as to be an active detriment if they are going to seriously impair your ability to finish. Not being able to progress, and having to wait until you can get a new random is the *worst case* scenario.<br /><br />Gevlon advocates choosing to accept the worst case scenario for himself and three of his guildmates based on a perceived correlation rather than spending a minute figuring out how bad it really is. In fact, his guildmate's "10k or kick" comes across as pleading, not with the random, but with Gevlon to just calm down and move on with the run (this may not be the case, but that's how it looks when I read it). Gevlon decided to waste a combined hour of his guild's time in order to punish someone who was bad without even being willing to assess whether they were bad or not. So a lack of gems in some pieces and a lack of enchants had better be a near 100% predictor of failure of the entire run - otherwise its just being a jerk on principle.<br /><br />If I were in the PuG I would certainly be happy to do guild groups for dailies with Gevlon included. However, if there were only three of us, I would rather play with two randoms than pick Gevlon up as a fourth given this behaviour. There is just too much of a chance he would waste my time by throwing a fit about our random not gemming when we could just win the instance instead of complaining.Sthennohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429676469805661834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1293858236237319162011-07-28T23:02:55.108+02:002011-07-28T23:02:55.108+02:00Sthenno, when someone underperforms in terms of ou...Sthenno, when someone underperforms in terms of output (not tactics) in a run (BH, LFD; where you normally don't flask/eat) I tell them to flask and get food buff. If they still fail, they can sod off.<br /><br />If only new boots drop it is simple: you don't enchant/gem them and that is only one item. Such is in no compare to Gevlon's case where the guy was barely gemmed/enchanted.<br /><br />If you expect various items to drop you enchant yours cheap. For example boots can be enchanted cheap with Earthen Vitality, and all the green gems are very cheap.<br /><br />My experience is that players who don't enchant/gem their gear are morons or slackers. People who don't have food buff or don't flask still perform. If you don't want to be put in the same group as M&S its simple: enchant and gem your gear. <br /><br />This is different from excluding a black man because of his skin because you have the choice to enchant and gem your gear whereas even if the excluding of the black man is justified based on racism the black man does not have the choice to have a different skin.<br /><br />This is also different from demanding achievement for a raid you are about to do: its a circular argument. The same for demanding ilvl 359 for a Cata 4.0 raid: to get ilvl 359 full you need to do these raids. The RL is essentially asking for a boost here, and if you inspect the RL (which you should) you will sometimes find the exact reason why they are forming the raid: they don't have the achievement, they are crap geared, and making a boost run to boost themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-62261735556878809432011-07-27T22:23:58.986+02:002011-07-27T22:23:58.986+02:00Still no reply on the difference between gems and ...Still no reply on the difference between gems and flasks. There is an obvious difference in scale, but not one in kind. To not demand and use flasks means that you agree there is a cut-off point where expense and effort don't justify the temporary nature of the bonus. You can't objectively argue that your cut-off point makes more sense than someone else's.<br /><br />As you said, someone could know for a fact that this run gives them a new pair of boots. If they know that then enchanting their boots would only be good for one run, and a flask would be both cheaper and better - yet you kick for the lack of enchant and not for a lack of flask.<br /><br />But probably the worst part is that you are trying to argue that no gems is a reliable way of guessing whether or not someone will perform. Do you know what a more reliable way of guessing whether someone will perform is? *Play with them and see if they perform.* Don't invite ungemmed people to your guild raid - that's fine. But when you have decided you are going to wait 15 minutes to do another run, how about spending 1 or 2 of those minutes figuring out whether that is a reasonable thing to do? If it turns out the person performs, you saved yourself 13 minutes. Why use a somewhat reasonable proxy when you can easily measure the actual data?Sthennohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429676469805661834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22151579121387360672011-07-27T14:21:31.938+02:002011-07-27T14:21:31.938+02:00@Anonymous: I sometimes find guildies in group wit...@Anonymous: I sometimes find guildies in group without enchants. I tell them to leave. I DID votekick guild member or dropped group on guildmembers after finding no enchants or bad rotation. The WoW norms are of slacking and stupidity. The people adapt slow. They need several reminders.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76179604268999464642011-07-27T13:50:37.105+02:002011-07-27T13:50:37.105+02:00This is a little low of me but I just can't re...This is a little low of me but I just can't resist...<br /><br />Read the OP and check out his armory<br /><br />http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2423046033<br /><br />See the guild and server? Notice the 7 unenchanted items? If you were to go into a random with this guildie, would you kick him? Call him a retard?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57770183085300074632011-07-27T11:07:23.632+02:002011-07-27T11:07:23.632+02:00"Actually, no. According to goblin principals..."Actually, no. According to goblin principals, which used to be a central part of this blog, it is ideal to put only the minimum effort required to achieve a goal"<br /><br />No? You totally misunderstood the goblin principle. You put your best effort when required. Unless severely overgeared (full ilvl 378 without gems/enchanted means overgeared, doing SM at lvl 85 means overgeared. Or overlevelled) any DPS who doesn't put their best effort in an instance is putting burden on healer. Guess who the healer was in Gevlon's group? Right, Gevlon.<br /><br />When someone does what you argue I put minimal effort into boosting that guy.<br /><br />A slacker who is aware of his bad performance and manipulating his way into staying in the group (arguing defending slacking, popping CDs on trash then linking DPS) is exactly what Gevlon stumbled upon. When the slacker was caught red handed he had several choices. He could've gone to the AH (or enchanter/JC friend). He could've left the instance trying again his trick perhaps this time with people who wouldn't notice his slacking (IOW: morons) or some readers of this blog who'd tolerate him (won't insult you calling you a moron for fear of getting reported). The slacker didn't opt for such. Out of spite he _chose_ to waste not only his own time but that of 4 others as well. Hardly goblinish. And _he_ couldn't get out of instance and do business and questing. If he'd do that for more than 3 min he'd get kicked.<br /><br />Now, there are probably people who are more socially skilled than Gevlon. They'd have talked this guy into leaving the instance. Perhaps. Because if your first sentence in communication with someone you never met before contains insults you're not going to get business done. In that regard I do agree with what some have expressed before although if you felt insulted from someone calling you a retard I'd say: good, you had it comming. If you knew full well you were wrong, slacking, you'd accept such an insult. So grow some skin.<br /><br />"My experience is that gear/ilvl is not that predictive. What would be really cool is an addon that recorded when a player was kicked or sucked extremely and distributed the information to others in the same battlegroup. Call the addon Karma. That would really reduce the number of M/S."<br /><br />PlayerScore (formerly the dreaded GearScore) does this. There is no way to verify any of the input data though. You can moderate any person you played with in any way you like. Maybe because you didn't like the gnomes haircolour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42700152190446664992011-07-27T06:53:41.972+02:002011-07-27T06:53:41.972+02:00My experience is that gear/ilvl is not that predic...My experience is that gear/ilvl is not that predictive. What would be really cool is an addon that recorded when a player was kicked or sucked extremely and distributed the information to others in the same battlegroup. Call the addon Karma. That would really reduce the number of M/S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15079779986583352222011-07-27T05:11:53.475+02:002011-07-27T05:11:53.475+02:00Whether Rawr or Simcraft are more accurate or not ...Whether Rawr or Simcraft are more accurate or not isn't the issue. A hard mode guild will care about the difference, but your average casual won't.<br /><br />The advantage of AskMrRobot is that it is simple enough for anyone playing Warcraft to use - no installs required.<br /><br /><br />Also, Elitistgroups is discontinued. Playercraft seems to be the closest maintained program that seems to fill that spot. (though I do miss the quick group check)Foohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02444693774790165427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72204471303027841042011-07-27T04:42:57.341+02:002011-07-27T04:42:57.341+02:00I had a chuckle at this post and some comments. Ge...I had a chuckle at this post and some comments. Gems/enchants is the most basic skill and anyone missing a host of them is an idiot. Back when I was a noob, I even realised that I should socket at least green quality gems even if I'm going to replace the piece fairly soon.<br /><br />As for the GS worshipers, it's not that they believe that ToC gear is needed to do Ulduar. It's just that from experience, the average trade pugger is not skilled and gear is needed to compensate for them.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381576369055180683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-90471351218243929882011-07-27T03:47:14.336+02:002011-07-27T03:47:14.336+02:00However exactly because you are weak, you should i...<i>However exactly because you are weak, you should improve your strength in every available way.</i><br /><br />Actually, no. According to goblin principals, which used to be a central part of this blog, it is ideal to put only the <i>minimum effort required</i> to achieve a goal - any extra effort above and beyond necessity is wasted and inefficient uses of your time/gold. Fundamentally, that is the subconscious problem I have always had with your overriding M&S focus: getting boosted by definition is the most efficient use of your time, so a true goblin would appear M&S when it is convenient, and non-M&S when it's not.<br /><br /><i>And seriously, what kind of idiot reports, that is, whines to blizzard as a solution?</i><br /><br />In-game harassment is in-game harassment. I report people like that all the time, not because my feelings were hurt, but because I find empty bravado annoying and they hand me control over their account by typing their garbage. Gevlon has already been suspended before, which means he is plenty deep in the penalty volcano - I fully expect a "I got banned" post from him within the year, if that prior post was any indication of how he acts in-game.Azurielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16581263347888757710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16607916449101161112011-07-27T00:55:02.741+02:002011-07-27T00:55:02.741+02:00"1) Suppose you're putting together a run..."1) Suppose you're putting together a run of Scarlet Monastery for the guild achievement and somebody offers to bring an 85 to make it quick. When he gets there, you discover that his gear is completely ungemmed and unenchanted. Do you instantly kick him?"<br /><br />You could walk into SM naked, or wearing RP gear and it would be a cakewalk. This is a pretty lousy example as there is a zero chance of wiping.<br /><br /><br />"2) You queue for a troll heroic as the healer and get the following 3 DPS. One is in 333 blues and some PVP gear but has every slot with high quality gems and enchants. The second is in a mix of heroic 346 gear and some T11, fully gemmed and enchanted but with mid-quality gems/enchants. The third is in spec-appropriate Firelands 378 PVE gear but surprisingly lacks any enchants or gems. Whom do you kick?"<br /><br />You don't kick any of them. You leave, accept the deserter debuff and queue again. Or better yet, queue with guildies/ good people who you know are not morons and slackers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8528344639713110972011-07-27T00:53:11.221+02:002011-07-27T00:53:11.221+02:00I think a lot of people are missing the point. It&...I think a lot of people are missing the point. It's not the performance that matters. Sure, someone with ungemmed unenchanted gear could DPS well. But that's not the point. The point is that you show up to play prepared. If you're taking a college course you need a textbook. If you're going to work you need to be dressed in uniform. And the list goes on.<br /><br />If you're going to run a heroic dungeon you need proper gear. If you can't be bothered to do this, why are you running a heroic in the first place? Go do daily quests or something. DPS already have a 30 minute queue time, this time can easily be spent getting your gear gemmed/enchanted/reforged/optimized. There is simply no excuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65365558588601405152011-07-27T00:12:14.067+02:002011-07-27T00:12:14.067+02:00At anon above previous one
SM is a lvl 40 run, a ...At anon above previous one<br /><br />SM is a lvl 40 run, a lvl 85 can solo it. So no need for enchants or gems, or even lvl 85.<br /><br />second post<br /><br />troll hc requires 346 ilvl average hardcoded into DF. <br /><br />so 333, with a few 348 pvp to set it off doesn't give you the gear to enter it. You'll achieve the Ilvl, but at the cost of a ton of itembudget in resi. this guy needs to farm some normal heroic first progression wise, Regardless of his enchants he's not ready for the troll hc's he would be my first candidate, Purely for trying to "game" the ilvl requirements of the instance. <br /><br />( rephrase to 346 blue's from normals ) <br /><br />He's ok now, no pvp items, Good enchants, and the minimum ilvl. I expect him to be at bottom of meters though.<br /><br />#2 guy, 346 - 359, cheap enchants<br /><br />He is outgearing the instance, and has his stuff enchanted, should be able to pull his weigth, <br /><br /># 3 guy ( 378, PVE spec appropriate, no enchants )<br /><br />He is still outgearing the instance, His ilvl suggests however that he can play well enough to complete raids. He should not have a problem in the troll hc. However due to his missing enchants he will most likely be pulling slightely higher dps as the #2 guy. <br /><br /><br />So first guy would get kicked, in the situation you describe, but that is for using PVP items, to "boost" his ilvl enough to enter. 358 PVP blues have around the same usefull stats in pve as 333 blue's. Meaning he is severly undergeared, to the point that LFD would not even let him in. If he wasn't using PVP items to screw LFD tool, but had fully enchanted 346 blues i would let them all stay though.<br /><br />Yes, i agree, in some cases, encahnts, gems, aren't required to complete an instance. If ILVL is high enough, ( and since 378 drops from raids, the guy is likely to have some understanding of class and rotation ) He can be in a troll hc and still able to pull his weight, AND provide a boost. I would however preferr him to wear his 359 gear that has the best gems, and enchants on it. As he's likely pulling more dps in that, and considering he has the newest raid on farm, he's likely to have that aswell.<br /><br />However, this is not the case in a ton of situations. You're unlikely to see a full 378 ilvl unenchanted in a troll hc. You're much more likely to see the #1 guy, ungemmed and unenchanted. boosting his char with pvp items. Or worse, wearing a couple of greens in there still, and having bought some Spec inapropriate 359's from rep vendors for those slots to crank ilvl up.Fexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686104124944234256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10489599083961547482011-07-26T23:44:14.111+02:002011-07-26T23:44:14.111+02:00@last anon
It might be, and it excuses some slots...@last anon<br /><br />It might be, and it excuses some slots. However, not having any gems, enchants at all is unlikely. Especially when they're 346 Heroic items. Unless you've replaced ALL your gear that farm run, you should have a couple of enchanted items. Besides, the gear you had in there should be enchanted aswell. Just show that if ppl bother you, tell them you've been farming, this is what you started out with, stuff got replaced, and your guild jc / enchanter isn't online yet.Fexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686104124944234256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22520760930367402772011-07-26T23:41:08.803+02:002011-07-26T23:41:08.803+02:00Bah, post too long
Here is TLDR
Gemming all sock...Bah, post too long<br /><br />Here is TLDR<br /><br />Gemming all sockets can be done for aproximately 200g, buy 10 stacks of ele ore, and have a friendly jc help you out. even if you take all sockets with a green lvl gem in your main stat forgoing all socket bonusses thats allready 270 stat increase<br /><br />Taking enchants even if they're not the best around will still increase your performance. You don't need + 50 int for 1500g, you can make do with + 50 haste, or take a wotlk one for 35 int. 11 enchantable items. ( counting beltbuckle as enchant )<br /><br />Again significant improvement<br /><br />About buff food and flasks. I use them in every group. But i can understand that some players are unwilling to spend an additional 100 - 150 g per run on food and flask. So even though i think they're all slackers, i'll accept that. Mainly as these are short time buffs that need to be replaced every time ( granted 1 hour per flask, but you understand )<br /><br />What i don't get is how a player refuses to spend a 1 time 200g to get all his gems, wich will permanently increase his stats. Or to get enchants, same reason.<br /><br />There will always be a better piece of gear, and not doing this is just making the life of your party members harder. If everyone behaved like this, we would still be CC ing on every pull, and wiping if a patroll comes near. <br /><br />Your refusal to gem - enchant makes the total damage done lower, it makes the time the healer has to last longer, and forces mainly healers to work harder. <br /><br />In fact, in a mix of greens blues 333 / 346 without enchants and gems. Healers will struggle to get over 5 - 6k hps. And you can easily clear an old HC with 5k hps. But it means CC ing on every pull, wiping if adds show up. And allows for no player error in the whole party at all. <br /><br />Think on that, and see how you would like runs like that. The argument, I'm pulling my weight, its enough on average, look other guy with less skill does even less, is completely useless. You are not doing the best you can, and with minimal effort you can do a lot better. If you refuse to put in that effort, then go run in guildruns or with friends rather then bothering LFD. I'm saying this to protect the folks in LFD, the ones that can't do better, the ones that don't have anyone who wants to play with them. By behaving they way you are, intentionally making life harder on the rest, you deserve to be kicked. I'd kick a 10k dps thats ungemmed and unenchanted, over a 7k dps that works his ass of anyday. Out of the two, who deserves to be in that run more?Fexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686104124944234256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58305070899813405892011-07-26T20:58:28.198+02:002011-07-26T20:58:28.198+02:00Well highest chance to meet people with 353 unench...Well highest chance to meet people with 353 unenchanted items is when they are doing back to back troll dungeon and farming stuff in between queues.<br /><br />You wouldn't bother going ogrimaar just so you can show some random guy you bother enchanting items, when there is no need if you play your class right. Most dps drop is because of bad rotation or just completely missing GCDs.<br /><br />So makes alot more sence to enchant the items after you are done farming.<br /><br />You think this case is not common?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54729120740433991072011-07-26T19:47:02.032+02:002011-07-26T19:47:02.032+02:00Two thought experiments:
1) Suppose you're pu...Two thought experiments:<br /><br />1) Suppose you're putting together a run of Scarlet Monastery for the guild achievement and somebody offers to bring an 85 to make it quick. When he gets there, you discover that his gear is completely ungemmed and unenchanted. Do you instantly kick him?<br /><br /><br />2) You queue for a troll heroic as the healer and get the following 3 DPS. One is in 333 blues and some PVP gear but has every slot with high quality gems and enchants. The second is in a mix of heroic 346 gear and some T11, fully gemmed and enchanted but with mid-quality gems/enchants. The third is in spec-appropriate Firelands 378 PVE gear but surprisingly lacks any enchants or gems. Whom do you kick?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46845628291406637762011-07-26T19:05:54.861+02:002011-07-26T19:05:54.861+02:00Gevlon, all you really need to say is that goblins...Gevlon, all you really need to say is that goblins don't care about fairness.<br /><br />The point is not to meticulously ensure that all and only M&S get kicked. The point is just not to group with M&S. <br /><br />(Unless that is the point, for some reason.) <br /><br />When someone doesn't have gems, 95+% of the time, they're a M&S. It's not worth letting the remaining 5-% prove themselves.<br /><br />For comparison, how would I react to your comment? <br /><br />Something like this:<br />"I can go buy gems right now if it bothers you that much.<br />However, calling me a retard isn't a good way to convince me I should have to." <br /><br />And indeed, that's entirely different. Roughly what your 5-% has to do. Not that I have any ungemmed toons that would get caught in the filter. <br /><br />And seriously, what kind of idiot reports, that is, whines to blizzard as a solution? "Mommy! Someone called me a bad name!" <br /><br />I also like the, "I reported you, therefore let me stay in the group." Uhh...what?Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63794540170264581782011-07-26T18:44:24.842+02:002011-07-26T18:44:24.842+02:00Skimming through the replies here, I have a hard t...Skimming through the replies here, I have a hard time understanding the logic of some people here, the "my dps is enough, why should I bother to enchant/gem etc.?" argument.<br /><br />Why play a game and be "good enough" when you can so easily be really good, just by adding some enchants or gems? It looks to me like lack of ambition.<br /><br />Of course the minimal dps requirement for a successful boss kill is very low. Blizzard did this intentionally to allow as many players as possible to succeed in the game. However, I don't think this should become a reason for not trying to improve your character by skipping all gear optimisations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-62001271409359846572011-07-26T18:42:35.664+02:002011-07-26T18:42:35.664+02:00Hi Gevlon!
I still think you're missing the p...Hi Gevlon!<br /><br />I still think you're missing the point a bit. Of course a given player will perform better with gemmed/enchanted gear. That's non-controversial.<br /><br />Choosing whether to kick someone should be based on whether they are already above the average performance of a random pug. An ungemmed/not enchanted pug that still performs well is preferred over a gemmed/enchanted pug who performs poorly.<br /><br />As a goblin you need to be rational and choose what will most benefit you. To intentionally reduce your group's effectiveness on a matter of principle seems a very social choice to make. You were less interested in finishing the run than you were in letting the lazy guy know you didn't approve of him.<br /><br />FWIW, I'd imagine if you were to chart the performance of people with ungemmed gear, you'd see a graph with two distinct groups. A peak at the low end of performance for all the terribles who will still be bad even if they get gear enchanted. A second peak at mid to high end for alts of serious players who are lazy and don't want to gem gear they intend to replace, but who still will have high performance as they are already skilled and have run the instance on their main. For that second group, gemming and enchanting will make them better, but they're already better than average to begin with.<br /><br />Don't have the data to show it, but from that perspective, gemming is a horrible indicator of predicted performance. Bads that gem are still bad. Goods who are too lazy to gem are still good. :PMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09827557339032342430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-92138247760720545822011-07-26T18:38:50.600+02:002011-07-26T18:38:50.600+02:00"If you are the boosting type (and I have bee..."If you are the boosting type (and I have been), then the single biggest boost you can give is to send the player to www.askmrrobot.com"<br /><br />Rawr and SimCraft are much more accurate according to my compares.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16412846664356014492011-07-26T18:34:52.497+02:002011-07-26T18:34:52.497+02:00@ Yaggle
Elitist Group allows this: http://www.wo...@ Yaggle<br /><br />Elitist Group allows this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15573-ElitistGroup.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54844854098437847282011-07-26T18:33:46.181+02:002011-07-26T18:33:46.181+02:00[i]@"Waiting for optimal" slackers: Why ...[i]@"Waiting for optimal" slackers: Why are you in the dungeon at the first place? No "optimal stuff" drops here. Go raid in unenchanted/ungemmed 333![/i]<br />There is a difference between troll dungeons and raids. I can only do 1 raid a week, but i can do as many troll dungeons as i want.<br /><br />Therefore, i am more or less guaranteed to get all the loot in a troll dungeon over a maximum of week of intensive farming. Whereas for raid drops may not happen for months.<br /><br />Because of this, "best in slot pre-raid" concept exists. That's the gear i'll bother gemming and enchanting, and i'll put the best ones available on it, too, because that's the gear that will be worn for weeks or possibly months. <br /><br />[i]The reason why you are here is that you are too weak to go where the "real stuff" drops. You need 353/359 just to get in the raid. However exactly because you are weak, you should improve your strength in every available way.[/i]<br />The best way to improve my strength is to get the 353 / 359 / 368 available outside of raids and enchant and gem these with best items available. Telling people to be content with going to raids in enchanted blue reputation gear and greens is giving them excuse to slack on getting the really best pre-raid gear.<br /><br />[i]Your (untold) idea is "I slack and get boosted to VP, JP (=359) and 353 drops". The point of the series is exactly that I won't boost you and suggest everyone else to refuse to boost you![/i]<br />In a world where everyone would refuse to boost me, the only thing that would accomplish is having me waste the resources on cheaper enchants and gems. Resources which might have went towards getting my high end enchants sorted out faster once i get my best pre-raid gear.<br /><br />The worst part is that you have me waste these resources to prove that i'm not a part of a poorly defined social group.maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13340850818127581792011-07-26T17:16:49.522+02:002011-07-26T17:16:49.522+02:00IMO the only real identifiers of "bad people&...IMO the only real identifiers of "bad people" are hidden in social cues, and require significant social interaction to ferret out. But we all know your opinion on that.<br /><br />But, to explore your opinions, it would seem to me that with all your resources you could pay for some real research.<br /><br />Offer to pay guildies to collect data on solo PuG runs. <br /><br />You would be much more convincing (to me) if you had data that showed, for instance, PuGs wipe more often if at least 2/5 players have lol names. Or that a single poorly itemized, or ungemmed/unenchanted player on average increases time to completion by 15 minutes.Bristalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849907713604626977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14199546776452111492011-07-26T15:43:34.619+02:002011-07-26T15:43:34.619+02:00@ pheredhel:
@Anonymous formula:
"1. you d...@ pheredhel:<br /><br />@Anonymous formula:<br /><br /><br />"1. you don't calculate randomdps *1.15 because that's already in his measured dps."<br /><br />Of course you are right if looking at the recount within the dungon. What is calculated above is "target dummy DPS" to show the difference that gems would have to make for this to be an issue. In other words, someone should be able to pull 8k on a dummy without gems.<br /><br /><br />"2. your mean is wrong, as the last (Jeho) is most likely tank"<br /><br />I just used the standars set, the tank is not included, but anyone is free to set any standard.<br /><br /><br />"3. the formula should actually be:<br />kick if he is the worst of the group of guild-dps + the one that would be replacing him<br />after multiplying the guild-member dps by 0.952"<br /><br />It would be interesting to extend this for decision making if we also included the available replacements dps. I am sure there could be circumstances where it is better to remove the lowest performing guild member instead of the random dps.<br /><br />"or<br />does hold back the group by being stupid."<br /><br />That's the real trick, and the best way to make decisions. Unfortnately, these types of things are only known after something went horribly wrongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com