tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post8303513817445266192..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Why be "awesome"?Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40371533848141295362011-04-08T09:48:50.363+02:002011-04-08T09:48:50.363+02:00@ Gevlon: Religious fundamentalist terrorists are ...@ Gevlon: Religious fundamentalist terrorists are arguably the raiders of the real world. Some are bads, but some work very hard and are very good at what they do.<br /><br />Just because they think differently to you doesn't make them M&S.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63914950081819856592011-04-08T05:01:51.048+02:002011-04-08T05:01:51.048+02:00@Bristal: Read the meteorologist example again. Wh...@Bristal: Read the meteorologist example again. While I could (and did) live the asocial life, no one would see it. If I want to spread my ideas, I must reach out for those who are not there.<br /><br />About "no M&S in the World": are you living in a cave? Subprime crisis (people took loans they can't afford to keep up with the Joneses) or even the religious fundamentalist terrorism somehow missed you?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88063516406065478922011-04-08T02:05:08.972+02:002011-04-08T02:05:08.972+02:00@Grim
Take a wider view. Gevlon is a guy with a bl...@Grim<br />Take a wider view. Gevlon is a guy with a blog with a HUGE readership. He cultivates that. He works hard to produce daily posts that are quite fascinating. As one of the commenters verifies, many of his readers don't even play WoW.<br /><br />How is that in any way asocial? He's a bit of a celebrity!<br /><br />Now over the past few posts he's admitted that his real goals are to reach out to the world and better it by spreading his asocial ideals.<br /><br />He freely admits that acting socially to spread an asocial ideal is a paradox.<br /><br />So, he's worked long and hard for a "look at me" blog, long and hard for a "look at me" guild, in order to develop a platform to castigate a "look at me" social way of life.<br /><br />That said, he's also clear that his M&S want, nay expect, "look at me" without working hard for it. There is definitely a difference.<br /><br />The place for me where the whole a-social philosophy falls apart, is that it's a philosophy wholly based on doing the opposite of what others THEORETICALLY do.<br /><br />I don't buy that a majority of people ARE M&S or socials. Everyone may have a bit of it in them, may act like it off and on, but there is no THEM. There's never truly a THEM.<br /><br />Gevlon, I need more proof than a few random M&S screenshots or a brief encounter with a Cosmo-reading woman that there is a horde of M&S or "socials" out there making the world a miserable place.<br /><br />I won't even mention that the majority of your evidence is found within a virtual world considered in some circles to be populated by those with limited social skills and/or maturity. Oops, mentioned it.<br /><br />Without that objective proof, your ideas are really just a product of your own a-social outlook. Which may or may not be a bit on the pathological side.<br /><br />On the other hand, I've probably read more words written by Gevlon than any other single writer in the past 2-3 years so the joke's probably on me.Bristalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849907713604626977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52338477828448858952011-04-08T00:06:42.506+02:002011-04-08T00:06:42.506+02:00Hey Gevlon,
I'm wondering what chewy was wond...Hey Gevlon,<br /><br />I'm wondering what chewy was wondering: why do you need to justify wanting to attain this goal? Is a World First GLevel 25 somehow different than, lets say, killing Nefarian? They're both arbitrary challenges within the game that are only worthwhile if you enjoy them. What is it about the Nefarian kill that makes it seem 'legitimate' to pursue in your eyes - or, what it is about the world first that makes it 'pointless'?Gravehoundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91126679670531886352011-04-07T22:15:29.717+02:002011-04-07T22:15:29.717+02:00So I've been following this blog since the &qu...So I've been following this blog since the "Ungeared" experiment you did during Wrath and even though I've stopped playing WoW myself, I find your a-social experiment fascinating from a sociological perspective. I've always thought there was the potential for some really interesting "research" in MMO's as far as examining human interaction. And while I don't agree with all your assumptions, I think you are right more often than you are wrong in terms of what motivates people, both inside and outside the MMO environment.<br /><br />I am curious to see how many "socials" would join The PuG just to access those benefits. I'll admit that half the reason I join guilds at all is for the random chatter. I get lonely in MMO's. :PAracoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12019343913755354472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74168297423154183912011-04-07T19:44:02.510+02:002011-04-07T19:44:02.510+02:00@Anon - Yes that would work too !@Anon - Yes that would work too !chewynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23093742716921380082011-04-07T14:37:05.499+02:002011-04-07T14:37:05.499+02:00Gevlon, I've said it before, but I'll repe...Gevlon, I've said it before, but I'll repeat that by trying to play asocially you are actually being exposed to all those things you don't like about more social gameplay. You're sabotaging your own play!<br /><br />As a skilled player, you could very easily join a progression guild, and then ignore all the rest of the game world. By simply being pleasant to 20-30 other strong, non-slacking players, you'd never have to trade pug or even have general/trade/lfg channels displayed. You'd never have to use dungeon finder; you'd never have to deal with people who type extremely poorly or don't know how to play their classes.<br /><br />You are playing in a contradiction. You say you don't want to play socially because of M&S, but if you were willing to play socially, you wouldn't ever have to play with M&S. It's only by trying to avoid the social aspect of the game that you get exposed to all the unpleasant people.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09827557339032342430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13375830058444839362011-04-07T12:06:48.864+02:002011-04-07T12:06:48.864+02:00@chewy
Don't you mean the latte is not an achi...@chewy<br />Don't you mean the latte is not an achievementAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10512666509779507662011-04-07T11:20:41.221+02:002011-04-07T11:20:41.221+02:00I find it slightly disappointing that you felt you...I find it slightly disappointing that you felt you had to validate your achievement.<br /><br />What you did is noteworthy and stands as an achievement in its own right. Do I question why someone wants to be the first female to sail around the world single handed before I'll accept that it is an achievement ? No. Would I want to do it even if I were female, no. But it is nevertheless noteworthy as an achievement. <br /><br />I wonder if some of your commentators, yesterday in particular, understand the difference between doing something unique (a server first is unique) that took effort (organising even paid people takes effort) and buying a cup of coffee from the coffee machine ? <br /><br />The latter is not an achievement.chewynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87356438359057262022011-04-07T10:06:51.396+02:002011-04-07T10:06:51.396+02:00@Grim: "they are happy this way" is not ...@Grim: "they are happy this way" is not an argument. If you think it is, then check this out: "changing and bashing socials makes me happy".<br /><br />@Azuriel: Just because I'm OK with my current conditions, it doesn't mean it couldn't be better.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85200423922643256842011-04-07T09:56:12.480+02:002011-04-07T09:56:12.480+02:00Awwww... I just knew there was a soft and fuzzy so...Awwww... I just <i>knew</i> there was a soft and fuzzy social inside that hard, albeit brittle shell.<br /><br />But seriously, if asocial works, it works on its own. Trying to convert the unwashed masses is as social as it comes, since you are thereby not satisfied with your present asocial living conditions, e.g. the amount of "coworkers" around you. Are you looking for validation that your ideas are correct? Why? That's the ape brain talking, as you have mentioned before.Azurielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16581263347888757710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79049430132323788282011-04-07T09:31:11.595+02:002011-04-07T09:31:11.595+02:00Gevlon, how the hell can You still take yourself s...Gevlon, how the hell can You still take yourself seriously? You are bending over backwards to prove that asocial ways are better and try to convert people to them with all the zealotry of a missionary trying to convert some tribals to christianity.<br />Its the "I have to save them!" mentality that I'm talking about.<br /><br />You claim that everyone who tries to get drakes and epics (aka "whatever colored drakes" and "epixxlol") has a stupid way of life, and You, striving for the highest raidkills/effort ratio have the smart way of life. What if I called raidkills "deddragonzzlol"? Would that make them less worthy?<br /><br />How is a killing Nefarian better than getting a violet drake? Because its harder? Because it takes skill? How does any of that make it better? Any objective one picks is his personal choice. <br /><br />And its not necessarily peacocking either. One might brag about his "Saviour of shattered world" in /2 and another might silently count his drakes and feel good about them.<br /><br />Being asocial is not the universally better way of life. Definitely not for someone who either through nature or nurture is social. Sure, he might reach harder goals by forcing himself to follow the asocial ways, but fuck if that's going to make him any happier. <br />It works in real life even more than it does in WoW. No-lifers and asocials might be happy with their 6-figure incomes and five PhDs, but a social would loathe having to devote so much of their time just to be "suxxezzfullol". <br />It has been proven that status and/or money are not necessary nor helpful in making a person happy, as long as he does not lag behind his friends.<br /><br />A social is at his happiest just where he is - working as little as possible and spending as much time as possible hanging out with friends. Beer is cheap, friends are free, time is limited.<br /><br />TLDR:<br />Socials don't need saving.Grimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44202471006762955642011-04-07T08:51:38.010+02:002011-04-07T08:51:38.010+02:00Wow 64 Worgenlol's so far...only 58 arthaslol&...Wow 64 Worgenlol's so far...only 58 arthaslol's though. Does that make Arthas less awesome then worgen?<br /><br />Perhaps your next challenge should be to submit screenshots from people of how many M&S they manage to tank. My record is 7. <br /><br />If you are looking for "awesome" ideas though perhaps paying a raid of pvpers to occupy Org for an hour or so might attract some attention. Particularily if it's advertised well.kelindrianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82870516567431840972011-04-07T07:51:46.637+02:002011-04-07T07:51:46.637+02:00Would be interesting to know which part (%) of the...Would be interesting to know which part (%) of the 'm&s' (or at least the non m&s that are surrounded by m&s in the friendly social guild) that joins the pug makes it eventually past your 12 weeks bootcamp. <br /><br />On a sidenote about the latest LFD news: a wave of m&s tanks are incoming ...zenganoreply@blogger.com