tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post824231078041127387..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Missing EVE World War 3Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88860690825832281052012-07-04T10:24:01.531+02:002012-07-04T10:24:01.531+02:00@Rodos check out http://goonmetrics.com/importing/...@Rodos check out http://goonmetrics.com/importing/60014945/markup/<br /><br />You will see a lot of high demand items on there.<br /><br />(avoid things that are only/mostly used for doctrine ships as these will be sold fitted on contracts but consumables like drones, nanite paste, ammo and roaming ships like assault frigates are pretty safe bets)<br /><br />(1DH is a npc station so anyone can dock).Avensysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27046028698731562692012-07-04T04:01:45.443+02:002012-07-04T04:01:45.443+02:00From my perspective (nulli) I certainly don't ...From my perspective (nulli) I certainly don't want anything to do with our opposing force. <br /><br />I can respect some parts of the force (i.e. test actively looking for fun fights), but I by no means wish to be part of them. Lack of honour is for the most part what I hate the most, that and the incessant crap we have to deal with in local. You'd think the game was overrun by a group of retarded monkeys.<br /><br />As you point out though, PL's presence really goes against and ideology, but you have to remind yourself that PL is only in it 'because they have to', i.e. their interests lie in the Tech conglomerate. I would imagine that their stance would be very different if tech was suddenly to dissappear... (and I've talked to a few PL guys who really aren't happy to be siding with the goons).<br /><br />I just think it's a shame the pvp-centric alliances that haven't joined the fight haven't yet just because they're too pig-headed to want to help some other alliance that might have hurt their feelings in the past, but it's early days in the war and lots of things can still happen.Znybarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945612456646410216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80419431296419823322012-07-04T03:59:31.980+02:002012-07-04T03:59:31.980+02:00What are the profit opportunities in a war like th...What are the profit opportunities in a war like this? I assume the big corps are pretty well vertically integrated, with their own miners and comprehensive industry, but maybe there would be openings for a goblin. The basis of goblin neutrality in WoW was always to profit from Horde-Alliance conflict.<br /><br />Will there be a market for blockade runners and other specialized logistics? Rare mats that one alliance or the other might end up short on?Rodosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36885576683698764762012-07-04T00:41:58.671+02:002012-07-04T00:41:58.671+02:00Eve may very well be won and lost in delve. Its m...Eve may very well be won and lost in delve. Its more of a goonswarm issue. if goons are able to take all of eve, there wont be anything left, for them or for us, and i believe that eve will begin to lose some of its luster. like the end of a good series on tv, eve may be coming upon the culmination of a decades worth of suspense and the game will go into decline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41904901552650671792012-07-03T22:45:40.234+02:002012-07-03T22:45:40.234+02:00Instead of donating ISK, you could park a trading ...Instead of donating ISK, you could park a trading alt in an NPC pocket in one of the enemy regions and execute financial warfare:<br /><br />http://k162space.com/2012/06/29/delve-financial-warfare/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16738477394173641142012-07-03T21:23:24.850+02:002012-07-03T21:23:24.850+02:00@Logan
hate to bring it to you FA never played an...@Logan <br />hate to bring it to you FA never played any role in the big picture.<br /><br />so why would anyone blue anyone else for that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84065759885616214892012-07-03T18:48:37.694+02:002012-07-03T18:48:37.694+02:00You incorrectly use Syndicate as an example.
I do...You incorrectly use Syndicate as an example.<br /><br />I doubt that any entities temp-blued in order to kill FA. I know that Rote did not, and the other coalitions didn't seem to either. What we did do, was to go out of our way to engage in fights with FA since it was the encroacher.<br /><br />In addition, Syndicate is NPC 0.0 space, so none of the Alliances there are ever under threat of being forcibly removed in any real way, other than having their static, POS/POCO, structures attacked.Logan Fyreitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18020193253139376508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27381792279404367272012-07-03T17:28:44.205+02:002012-07-03T17:28:44.205+02:00"in the end there are quite a few corps who p..."in the end there are quite a few corps who pay goons - aka renters."<br /><br />are you talking about corporations inside GSF or small CFC alliances (such as SMA, FCON, A.I.F, ...)?<br /><br />alliance members helping with sov upkeep/reimbursements or PACs paying fees is not something I would consider "renting" - these people are part of the alliance proper and have all responsibilities & rights that entails (and when I was in TEST the fact that dreddit paid (at that time) basically all alliance expenses out of their own corp taxes only lead to perpetual conflicts - I think making everyone pay equally is preferable).<br /><br />if the smaller CFC alliances have to pay for the privilege of holding space I stand corrected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82604101820370045382012-07-03T16:44:26.122+02:002012-07-03T16:44:26.122+02:00@Anonymous
you are wrong, it doesn't matter if...@Anonymous<br />you are wrong, it doesn't matter if its called rent, tax or even "upkeep share"<br />in the end there are quite a few corps who pay goons - aka renters.<br /><br />and there has always been a difference between renters and pets.<br /><br />renters are defined by paying for their space in 0.0<br /><br />pets are alliances and corps which for being part of the entourage of some larger alliance give up having all leadership decisions made by their own leadership.<br /><br />at least thats the definition we had in BoB, and we kinda coined the term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70145136241569893052012-07-03T14:28:52.938+02:002012-07-03T14:28:52.938+02:00reread your blog post and noticed that this hasn&#...reread your blog post and noticed that this hasn't been pointed out in teh comments yet:<br /><br />"The renters will pay their money to CFC-Honey"<br /><br />that statement is wrong: the CFC doesn't rent out space (which is probably the biggest cultural difference between the CFC and the South/East; -A- and the drone Russians love renters).<br /><br />That doesn't mean that all alliances in the CFC are equal - there is a pecking order and in my opinion "pets" is still the adequate word to describe the status of most of the smaller alliances (a pet is not able to thrive without its master, it is trained to takes its master's orders and in turn its well-being is taken care of entirely by the master - I think that's a quite apt characterization of many CFC alliances and while "we have no pets" is a staple of CFC propaganda it's just not true in my experience).<br /><br />The issue with renters is that they don't really bring in that much money (for good systems you might get 5b/month but only a small part of each region is that attractive), that they are an obvious soft spot in your alliance/coalition (and prone to getting farmed by enemies in the first stages of a war) and that you can't rely on them to do anything in addition to sending you their rent.<br />First sign of trouble and they will either cause huge drama because they feel you aren't defending them well enough or just evacuate to empire.<br /><br />Installing a small alliance that only lives at your mercy and subsidizing its continued existence with a few moons has turned out be the superior model as such a pet will send people into your coalition fleets, will go with you on deployments and hopefully won't just roll over when poked by an enemy (as they have a vested interest in defending "their" space).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26394326515801589172012-07-03T13:37:11.967+02:002012-07-03T13:37:11.967+02:00@Evemonkey: beware that your target audience has l...@Evemonkey: beware that your target audience has little knowledge of null, so they (we) can take even a phrase or battle cry literally. If you talk to inexperienced crowd, you must be boringly prudent, or it comes out as incorrect (you told they will be a mining alliance and they are not).Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34622428306868958652012-07-03T13:08:33.127+02:002012-07-03T13:08:33.127+02:00Gevlon, I think you missed the part where The Mitt...Gevlon, I think you missed the part where The Mittani's explicit goal is a diplomatic solution with MACTEP in charge of a (hostile to GSF) Eastern Coalition.<br /><br />He is not interested in creating any sort of "One Empire".<br /><br />If you have some spare time listen to the "State of the Alliance" recordings at the bottom of the OP in http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?13693-Delvolution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89423661519291580972012-07-03T12:05:18.980+02:002012-07-03T12:05:18.980+02:00Hi Gevlon - thanks for the link.
@first anonymous...Hi Gevlon - thanks for the link.<br /><br />@first anonymous - sorry, my fault I think - had "third great war" on my blog post that gevlon linked - think it just depends how you count them. my corp used to be part of IT/BoB so maybe it's come from that perspective.<br /><br /><br />Just a point to consider: I write my blog for a target audience of High sec players who like living vicariously in nullsec via pretty screenshots of large ships or fleets that they wouldn't get to see otherwise. My style is to present impressive screenshots and provide inspiration and motivation in my readers (I think this worked on you maybe?). Just as you wish to inspire people to trade, I want to inspire people to join nullsec.<br /><br />I don't post about everything I do in eve, people don't want to read that I just spent an hour or so sitting on top of a gate scouting, or that despite being in a large fleet we were all stuck in a pos for hours due to being overwhelmed by superior numbers. As a result I don't tend to post losses or straightforward fights. A minor side effect of this is that I operate as a mild propoganda outlet. <br /><br />The current delve war is no different. consider if I wrote the following:<br /><br />"The current delve war won't be the final war in eve. The win criteria is the capture of Delve Querious and Period Basis. that's likely where it will end. if we go further, -A- will likely hole up in NPC Stain where they have gone in the past when overwhelmed. since Stain is an NPC region it will be impossible to kick them out and it will devolve into a war of attrition and when the CFC runs out of motivation, they'll return to the north and continuing swimming in their mountains of ISK, leaving -A- and co to return to their traditional space. In maybe a year or two Delve will change hands again and the cycle will repeat"<br /><br />No one wants to read that. people want to see epic screenshots of what is happening and read motivational anticipation-laden descriptions of what is to come. They want to hear "we will fight -A- until they're a highsec mining alliance" (cue much testosterone-filled fist pumping and cheering)<br /><br />As you have noted - different wars are different. This is more like wars between two large real life corporations - maybe one will destroy the other, the employees will remain alive and may join the opposing corporation. Business continues.<br /><br />but this sort of nihilism is not what my blog is for :-)<br /><br />on a more practical note: don't waste your 50billion. 50 bil is peanuts for the alliances involved - I heard on TS that we're quite capable of replacing 3-4 tengu fleets per week - that's 400 billion income per week. your isk won't make a difference to any alliance and wouldn't therefore be appreciated, and you won't see its benefits. the best you could hope for is "we just lost our tengu fleet, your isk payed for replacing half of it, thanks"<br /><br />you will not miss out - perhaps the war is going to be still raging in a month's time. When I was in Mostly Harmless we were constantly under attack and were constantly fighting mini-wars against Evoke, PL, triumverate, this went on for many months. but as for Delve2012, I don't know - this is my first major war.<br /><br />and finally a point of clarification: I'm in Executive Outcomes (named after the RL mercenary group), not TEST.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65131605478307614852012-07-03T11:59:37.853+02:002012-07-03T11:59:37.853+02:00Aid the war effort. Wars burn through ammo, ships,...Aid the war effort. Wars burn through ammo, ships, minerals and efficient trade brings an advantage to all involved. Help miners get the optimal price. Aid production by making those resources available to the market that needs it. Help to get war-junk recycled into something productive. Be the ultimate carebear and free-trade to victory! That will benefit each side (and yourself) far more than 50B ISKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55986793280366271552012-07-03T11:33:34.481+02:002012-07-03T11:33:34.481+02:00@Anon 11:21
Probably. I noticed that every triage...@Anon 11:21<br /><br />Probably. I noticed that every triage module II disappeared from the forge market at the same time as things kicked off, and older wars with fewer people involved have bought out resources before (e.g. strontium during the delve 2 burn).Parasojahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10037396025518894441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81603555193121743532012-07-03T11:21:30.490+02:002012-07-03T11:21:30.490+02:00Could this war be the reason for some items in Jit...Could this war be the reason for some items in Jita being totally bought out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78355997973410514792012-07-03T10:30:23.339+02:002012-07-03T10:30:23.339+02:00What the Delve conflict reminds me of is WW1. Name...What the Delve conflict reminds me of is WW1. Namely that it started out as a minor affair between two powers who then chose to draw in allies in order to try to tip the scales in their favor. When one side got too powerful, the other brought in another powerful ally to meet it. And before you know it... everyone's jumped in and you have a far bigger fight than anyone expected.<br /><br />And honestly... I hope the parallels don't end there. I look forward to a galactic-wide catastrophe that will batter and weaken all the powers involved. I want to see these guys slug it out for the months, if not years, to come.<br /><br />If nothing else, it will provide good entertainment. :)Reinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34106075232905740412012-07-03T10:26:59.038+02:002012-07-03T10:26:59.038+02:00your count is off.
1) the original GNW (first hug...your count is off.<br /><br />1) the original GNW (first huge war with almost all nullsec involved, during this war BoB was created) <br /><br />2) delve war I<br />the first all out attack on BoB homeland through a coalition of almost all nullsec except the GBC<br /><br />3) MAX<br />BoB + GBC vs. the North and everyone else<br /><br />4) delve war II<br />the huge war after disbanding of BoB<br /><br />--- i'm leaving the rise of IT alliance and MAX 2 out here, because both where quite short ---<br /><br />5) the second Great Northern War<br />(fall of the Northern Coalition)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35404285296113544402012-07-03T08:28:07.701+02:002012-07-03T08:28:07.701+02:00The only thing special about this war so far is th...The only thing special about this war so far is that more players are involved than normal. Even in that aspect, a few historical wars have come pretty close.<br /><br />That's beside the point, though. 0.0 will never be owned by a single group because the type of people who live in 0.0 want to have wars. If one group eventually owns most of the map, it will turn on itself -- just like the DRF did less than a year ago.<br /><br />Also, some groups <i>need</i> wars. Most notably goons -- their culture dictates the need for an enemy on whom to loose the dogs of war, and they are too big and unified to be kicked out of null or to be made to collapse from outside pressure.<br /><br />Because they cannot be killed, 0.0 cannot be unified by anyone else; and because they need enemies, they will never try to unify it themselves.Parasojahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10037396025518894441noreply@blogger.com