tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post8225882512355171237..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Long term planningGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4070355252851999902012-02-24T05:42:41.271+01:002012-02-24T05:42:41.271+01:00Tears are a commodity in EVE.
If Gevlon can wring...Tears are a commodity in EVE.<br /><br />If Gevlon can wring them out of an idiot doing financial PvP, good.<br /><br />Otherwise why play?Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73428112253591632472012-02-22T07:25:06.763+01:002012-02-22T07:25:06.763+01:00As others have said, you greatly underestimate EvE...As others have said, you greatly underestimate EvE's vast and terrifying metagame. I doubt anyone selling that much pyroxeres actually mined it, they probably bought it from the miners and then sold it to you because they didn't want to actually haul it anywhere. 18M is pretty chump change in the big scheme of things - you can make ten times that much in an hour doing a variety of activities if you have access and know what you're doing.<br /><br />Hell, just by posting this you're making yourself a potential target for piracy because you fairly new and hauling shiny things and everyone knows your in-game name now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71443470703323119352012-02-21T21:58:05.654+01:002012-02-21T21:58:05.654+01:00Meh, no one in EVE dealing in large volume of good...Meh, no one in EVE dealing in large volume of goods is a noob, because they would have lost all their money long ago already. The miner figured in the time it would take him to haul all that ore to the more profitable market, using a ship he may not even have or be able to fly, he could simply continue mining where he is and make as much or more money.<br /><br />In EVE logistics has a very real cost. You can't just mail things to yourself. Distance matters. Volume matters. Time matters. People will pay extra for the convenience of buying instantly and locally. They will also take a discount to sell locally.<br /><br />I spent my early days raising money using an industrial to haul and price arbitrage between regions. Unless you can do it in volume, using a billion ISK transport ship, you can spend less time doing other things and make more money. But even I didn't haul ore, which is extremely bulky. I would have thought a goblin would have this worked out in seconds.pod_xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15563878261558272350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56529421663877217322012-02-20T19:12:16.943+01:002012-02-20T19:12:16.943+01:00You are learning, young padawan. Eve is a complete...You are learning, young padawan. Eve is a completely amoral game, and if you stay here long enough you will become one of us.<br /><br />Piracy as a profession is traditionally fairly low income, especially compared to things like incursions and exploration. Suicide ganking in highsec can be profitable, but really good drops are pretty rare.<br /><br />And ganking isn't always done for profit. I've ganked exhumers with battleships just for lols, spending money and making none in exchange. For older players gank ships (especially destroyers and tier 3 battlecruisers) are trivial to afford, and can be thrown away all day.<br /><br />And I'm a carebear~Parasojahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10037396025518894441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6917173067134941832012-02-18T20:17:47.538+01:002012-02-18T20:17:47.538+01:00Yes, there is a saying in EVE: when an idiot leave...Yes, there is a saying in EVE: when an idiot leaves EVE to go play WoW, the average IQ of both games’ player bases increases. EVE does a very good job of filtering out your standard Arthasdklol that you may be used to, from the very start, I read once that EVEs initial vertical learning curve was designed like that on purpose. http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/<br /><br />That is not to say there aren’t Arthasdklols. Oh, they are, but just of a different caliber. Undocking with plexes, hauling tens of billions of cargo in t1 frigates and industrials, pimping mission ships with billions in officer mods, flying absolute idiot fits, ratting in supercaps, the list goes on. Here’s the thing though – and a dude named Malcanis put it best in some forum post: in any other game, bad players are just annoyances you can do nothing about, in EVE, they are a constant source of profit (and tears). Nobody is camping a mailbox in a faction fit Machariel in EVE (for more than 5 minutes) that’s for sure.Steel H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02051764931456770746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51188421754366243042012-02-18T09:49:02.088+01:002012-02-18T09:49:02.088+01:00Gevlon you have a LONG way to go before you "...Gevlon you have a LONG way to go before you "figure" out how Eve works. Your email is clearly a demonstration of that. <br /><br />Since you desired to make "tears", your email is a fail at that. Go blow up someone who is doing what you are doing and that will generate tears.<br /><br />Here are two things you need to quickly get your head wrapped around Eve:<br />1) You are not ship in Eve (unlike other MMO's where gear matters). In Eve a 2 week new character can successfully fly a tackle ship and be a productive part of LARGE scale battles or small gang fights. Its not the ship that matters.<br />2) There is NO end game in Eve (some might argue that there is no end game in any MMO, but in reality in a game like WoW it is raiding). That end game does not exist. That is the beauty of Eve. Some people spend years in Wormhole space or Null Sec and never set foot in Jita. For some people the killboard is the master of their "fun". To others its not.<br />3) In relation to #1, you are not even your clone. Barring implants and having an up-to-date clone, death does not matter in Eve.<br /><br />So it is interesting to read your posts because of your approach to the game. If your are trying to emulate you success from WoW to Eve and prove that the majority of people are M&S, its probably not going to happen. <br /><br />Why? Because the majority of M&S leave Eve very quickly because there is no one there to hold their hand and show them what they must do. If you think the person you bought that ore from is an M&S I think you are poorly mistaken as others have pointed out. <br /><br />But hey its your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31770794124134100322012-02-18T08:18:35.611+01:002012-02-18T08:18:35.611+01:00Looks like you missed my original comment. Basical...Looks like you missed my original comment. Basically, about remaps, you need to get EVEMon application - it helps you plan all the skills, insta calculates the most optimal remap and implants, tells you exactly how long it will take with various profiles, etc. Don't remap blindly (like I did)<br /><br />Speaking of making money, does some of you hisec bears know if there's good money to be made running advanced tier PI processing in hisec? I would assume extraction is pathetic - I looked at raw materials scans in hisec compared to my planets in null, and... :smug:. Still if there's money to be made, you can also do that - if you don;t find it too boring.Steel H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02051764931456770746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6666338515376462492012-02-18T00:28:26.260+01:002012-02-18T00:28:26.260+01:00Yes you can be a trader (good old buy low and sell...Yes you can be a trader (good old buy low and sell high), but you can also be a space trucker. Never under estimate how much people are willing to pay to move goods around in EVE. The logistics of hauling affects EVERY aspect of EVE. It is a chore for most people, and for those not good with planning and handling lots of details, an abhorrent task.<br /><br />Take for instance a player that lives out in nullsec and spends 90% of his time engaged in PvP or looking for PvP. They don't want to deal with hauling their replacement ships and supplies through various choke points and enemy space. I know I made a lot of isk back in the day handling all of that for people. It wasn't even my primary business, just extra use of my infrastructure and supply lines.<br /><br />In empire, the space trucker opportunities also exist. Especially since when looking at the market people are lazy. If faced with buying it in system for a major markup, or spend 15 mins flying 4 jumps to get it and bring it back, almost always they will pay the markup.<br /><br />Empire Opportunity suggestions:<br /> * Find where mission hubs are and sell ammo/missiles (Starmap -> Statistics -> Pirate & Police Ships destroyed in the last 24hrs)<br /> * Find manufacturing hubs and haul minerals there and sell at markup (Science & Industry -> Installations -> Manufacturing. If all 50 slots are filled, good chance lots of builders there)<br /><br />Other hauling opportunities also exist in the Contract system in-game. People setup a contract to have goods moved from one system to another and they specify a collateral and delivery time. Just make sure you carefully look at the volume of the contract as well as what the destination system is!<br /><br />Most of the contracts I found just didn't pay enough to be worth the time (people are cheap bastards), but there are some good ones on there. Always be on the lookout to make business contacts though! If someone needs something hauled once, they probably have a future need and they may pay will for a reliable and trust worthy transporter.<br /><br />Also, one site I found quite useful was http://eve-central.com/ for market research. Since in-game you can only access the market for the region you are in it can be hard to spot opportunities or do price checking. The site has data from all regions (supplied by users), so if you find it useful download their client and submit your market data.<br /><br />Personally, while I had a blast doing PvP in EVE, especially out in nullsec when you are fighting to either defend your own space or take someone else's away. By far, I was the most engaged when I had gotten into the manufacturing aspect of things. It was out in nullsec with a new Alliance, so imagine opening up a factory out in the Wild West in the USA during the mid 1800's. There is no existing infrastructure to support you, so you have to make or haul every single thing out there, through hostile territory. An untold number of hours went into planning, market analysis, supply & inventory management, factory management, transport logistics, order management, and building business relationships with local miners. I made my first billion isk doing that, and loved almost every minute of it.Vermishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08084695052602503819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-869757328644210772012-02-17T22:40:01.018+01:002012-02-17T22:40:01.018+01:00Gevlon,
If she replies to your mail, please post ...Gevlon,<br /><br />If she replies to your mail, please post a screenshot of her reply.<br /><br />In your last comment, you call her a mistyping idiot.<br /><br />Lol.<br /><br />I'm sure it is a mistake of your part to have sent that mail, and not hers.<br /><br />Please post her reply if you ever get one, prove me wrong.<br /><br />Otherwise, lame social behaviour. Causing pain to others is a social behaviour. It is useless to cause pain.JackTheManiacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24750336616504953672012-02-17T21:23:06.670+01:002012-02-17T21:23:06.670+01:00Well, I just cannot accept fact that Gelvon says s...Well, I just cannot accept fact that Gelvon says something like "The first such difficulty is setting a goal. In WoW, you are in rails from lvl 1 to HM Deathwing. The next step is maybe not easy to do, but you always know what is it."<br />I mean that such casual player can only see one way to defeat HM Deathwing - wait for 30% debuff. It isn't actually a way - it is a sucking until content comes available. It will, eventually, but that isn't a goal. Not at all.Alvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08713314202283605488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11200061151336179462012-02-17T21:08:58.916+01:002012-02-17T21:08:58.916+01:00Given the number of macro miners in eve i would be...Given the number of macro miners in eve i would be surprised if that mail ever get read? also do not set up sell orders in Jita unless you want to spend the rest of you life doing the 0.1 isk game. often better to buy in Jita and then find a 0.0 entry point nearest to the biggest war zone and set up a market there. Can make some nice isk doing this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51457430700733098972012-02-17T19:23:11.010+01:002012-02-17T19:23:11.010+01:00Gevlon, I'm pretty sure you misunderstood some...Gevlon, I'm pretty sure you misunderstood something here. If that transport took more than around 60 minutes in total, even a decent alt would make more money by staying with mining instead of hauling. So it was probably the correct choice for the miner. Since mining is semi afk as well and timeable with a kitchen timer (can every 6 mins flat), he was probably more efficient this way. And 5 jumps there and back take their time, even in the big ships.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54888189688936444652012-02-17T19:16:59.788+01:002012-02-17T19:16:59.788+01:00I'm not in control of the captcha. Blogspot.co...I'm not in control of the captcha. Blogspot.com does it.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88250052358828498162012-02-17T18:55:00.078+01:002012-02-17T18:55:00.078+01:00The letter you sent is the most ungoblinish thing ...The letter you sent is the most ungoblinish thing I have ever seen you do. You did it for pure gloating satisfaction, to make yourself feel good and him feel bad. This is a very social move. Especially since, if you are right in your analysis, he may take note and remove your arbitrage opportunity for the future. However, I suspect the other posters are correct, and the seller is actually acting in his own best interest, calculating, for whatever reason, that hauling is not worth it to him.<br /><br />Also, I concur with the opinion that the new captcha is horrible. I had to try like 5 times.Eaten by a Gruehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741777795065029482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18832292334267368052012-02-17T18:54:53.139+01:002012-02-17T18:54:53.139+01:00@Dsj: she wasn't a prospecting long term custo...@Dsj: she wasn't a prospecting long term customer. She was a random idiot who mistyped her numbers. Unless they find the cure for idiocy, I'll find a dozen like that every day (maybe not with 1.2M cargo, but enough to fill my hold)Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21372067195977382132012-02-17T18:39:00.085+01:002012-02-17T18:39:00.085+01:00The ultimate failure on your part without realizin...The ultimate failure on your part without realizing it is that paradoxically in EVE burning that bridge to the CAREBEAR who sold the ore is completely stupid. Not only could you have continued to make isk from future sales but unlike wow in EVE you aren't anomymous, that mail will spread costing you isk from others. In EVE no one forgets. <br /><br />The most profitable ventures in EVE aren't initiated through getting skills or bigger ships --- they are initiated by leveraging the skills and ships of those around you. By contacting that guy and offering to be his agent you could have done much better. So how many days in and how many bridges burned? Those bridges are your long term future, invest in them.Dsjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18828600257636814562012-02-17T15:14:36.894+01:002012-02-17T15:14:36.894+01:00Gevlon,
Others have said this but you email isn’t...Gevlon,<br /><br />Others have said this but you email isn’t gloating in the least bit. It looks like you still have to grasp the full production chain.<br /><br />Ore is useless. Well it’s not entirely useless. It’s only purpose (outside of needed item for a few missions) is to be refined into minerals which are used for the construction of everything. That solid pyroxeres is 0.35m3 per unit. Every mineral occupies 0.01m3 of cargo space. The prices I’ll use were back from when I was still playing so they’re undoubted off.<br /><br />Pyroxeres refines into Tritanium (3.31ea), Pyerite (4.17ea), Mexallon (29.45ea), and Nocxium (422.03ea). If I lost no minerals to wastage from refining I end up with 886 Tritanium (2,932.66isk), 62 Pyerite (258.54isk), 126 Mexallon (3,710.7isk), and 12 Nocxium (5,064.36isk) minus what is taxed by the station (0-5%). So that totals up to 11,966.26isk that occupies 10.86m3 of storage space. 333 Pyroxeres sold for 17,012.97 and occupies 99.9m3 of space. I’m thinking my mineral prices are probably way under current market prices. Regardless you’re getting about 170.3isk for each m3 of cargo space you use transporting Solid Pyroxeres. Refining the minerals and transporting them has a value of 1101.86isk for each m3 of cargo space used. It’s also worth noting that an average Iteron V would take 8 trips to push all that ore but refining it down would require 1 trip.<br /><br />Time = Money<br /><br />Considering the quantity of ore he had, he is a miner and probably a Hulker so he’s doing 1500-1700m3 per minute of ore harvesting. Moving that ore from the station that he drops off at to any other station is a loss of profit for him because the time he would spent hauling ore is no where near as profitable to him as it is to mine. The only way for a miner to begin to make hauling profitable is to have an alt that is a hauler that cannot also mine or to be able to refine with no waste.<br /><br />If you’re going to be buying ore to resell you may also want to check out refining, especially if you’re buying ore that you will be transporting long distances in quantities that will require multiple trips. Even with a fully skilled Charon that has 987k cargo space (IIRC) you can only fit 3,290,000 units of Pyroxeres.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29504612428652457572012-02-17T14:50:33.754+01:002012-02-17T14:50:33.754+01:00Gevlon, set up Planetary Interaction (PI) colonies...Gevlon, set up Planetary Interaction (PI) colonies. It's several days of training but can produce decent capital for a starter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33910654746698400772012-02-17T14:26:50.364+01:002012-02-17T14:26:50.364+01:00To give you a rough estimate what security mission...To give you a rough estimate what security missions would net you:<br /><br />Level 3 in a battlecruiser (~2 month training, easiest would be a Drake ( = Caldari)): ~5 mio ISK per hour.<br /><br />Level 4 in a properly fit battleship (~6 month training): ~20 mio ISK per hour.<br /><br />The estimated skill training is generous. You can run those missions earlier, but probably for less isk/hour. Those time estimates also leave some room for non-ship related skills.<br /><br />Running security missions requires active gameplay, so if you prefer semi-afk activities you might be ok with less profit than that. But anything substantially lower than those marks is considered really bad isk/hour if making money is your goal.Casareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13249710794838561664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32999939183203739842012-02-17T11:59:39.003+01:002012-02-17T11:59:39.003+01:00@david meh wh dwellers are not the last bastion of...@david meh wh dwellers are not the last bastion of gangwarfare. as a matter of fact, you guys are the best example of how a missing local makes roaming pain in the ass.Peter Petermannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10244762970148885669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48990019981923430512012-02-17T11:46:51.187+01:002012-02-17T11:46:51.187+01:00I have to ask, why a Bustard?
If it is because yo...I have to ask, why a Bustard?<br /><br />If it is because you are going for a Charon, then it is cheaper and easier to Red Frog everything...or, train up your market skills so you dont need to move anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58156960469994174362012-02-17T11:35:12.347+01:002012-02-17T11:35:12.347+01:00Opportunity Cost is the buzzword for trading. Whe...Opportunity Cost is the buzzword for trading. When you consider that you are making peanuts now, and a few tens of millions here or there is nothing comparatively.<br /><br />I buy and sell regionwide without leaving the station I am parked at, and yes, I dump things on the market at cheap prices when they are 20 jumps away from me.<br /><br />I know what I bought it for, and I know what margin is worth me not having to fly up there and collect it, so I will happily sell it to someone else who wants to transport it 20 or so jumps to a trade hub.<br /><br />I generally do regionwide buy orders (cos then you get stuff really cheap), and then, unless I am really bored, sell them at a decent markup on the station where I picked them up, often to the same people who sold them to me.<br /><br />Remember as well, your profit margins are a lot tighter than someone who has standings, both faction and corporation, and the relevant skills trained to reduce taxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83210782214033926682012-02-17T11:24:06.652+01:002012-02-17T11:24:06.652+01:00it's not that uncommon in eve to sell to a con...it's not that uncommon in eve to sell to a conveniant price and have someone else do the hauling (and profit from it) logistics is a role that quite a few people make their living of.. so your mail is not really making too much sensePeter Petermannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10244762970148885669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5652694602440330682012-02-17T11:12:17.255+01:002012-02-17T11:12:17.255+01:00oh and you arent selling one thing for 15m a week....oh and you arent selling one thing for 15m a week.<br /><br />you are putting up buy orders for 500k isk each of<br /><br />Carbonized Lead S M & L<br />Nuclear S M & L <br />Proton S M & L <br />Depleted Uranium S M & L <br />Titanium Sabot S M & L <br />Phased Plasma S M & L <br />EMP S M & L <br />etc<br /><br />then reselling what you get sold usually for 150% to 200% of what you paid as sell orders.<br /><br />then once or twice a day maintain all your buy / sell orders so they are 0.01 isk higher / lower than the competition. "0.01 isking"<br /><br />the profits are limited by the volume of trade in each market hub. but much better than being limited by your hauling capacity.Antinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28596395634263413152012-02-17T11:08:27.128+01:002012-02-17T11:08:27.128+01:00http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823
Right now y...http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823<br /><br />Right now you are the guy in the bottom two panels. Going 'hurrdee hurr hurr I just made 18m ISK in an of hauling because that seller must be soooo stoooopid. *gloat gloat*'<br /><br />EVE is a complex game, there are a dozen reasons why someone might find it more profitable, or expedient to dump a bunch of minerals below price. Maybe he just popped into that system out of a convenient WH that opened from his corner of nullsec. Maybe he's wardecced, and considers it unsafe to haul that shit all the way to Jita. Maybe he doesn't consider 18m worth his time. <br />Hell, I made more than that from my passive PI alts, just while typing this post.<br /><br />Instead of assuming that everyone is a moron, simply because you don't understand their motivations in the game, educate yourself about EVE and in a few months maybe you'll have more insight into why someone would choose to sell ore in an out of the way system below price.<br /><br />Read the EVE Uni wiki. Get EVEMon. Get EFT or Pyfa. Figure out how to use them without anyone holding your hand. And above all, actually play the game.<br /><br />Or forget carebearing, and come join us in wspace - the last bastion of gang PvP in EVE. :)Davidnoreply@blogger.com