tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post7314930638379057365..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The biggest carebears of New EdenGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71681702388668230892014-02-10T13:25:16.833+01:002014-02-10T13:25:16.833+01:00It is fairly easy to get a bunch of "killmail...It is fairly easy to get a bunch of "killmail ISK" on ANY nullsec alliance by wardeccing them and just waiting for stupid ppl to get caught alone in highsec.<br /><br />You are fighting RvB and for that part you have your merit. But GSF is not really engaging, let alone the CFC. I can tell you they actually do not care. I'm in a "pet" alliance and honestly your blog is the only news I have of your self-proclaimed victory. There is 0 posts on internal forum in my alliance for the Lemmings. The GSF forums might at a couple posts, tops.<br /><br />Now I only trust the Goons as much as the next person, and mittani is a born spin doctor, but I do know actions do not lie.<br /><br />GSF is not even trying to fight you back. They do not care. If they happen to get bored with bashing Immensia, they *might* give your wardec a minutes attention. But I doubt any nullsec toon will want to roam highsec and play eternal station games. Its one of the reasons they left to nullsec.<br /><br />I honestly dislike highsec wardeccers, way more than I ever disliked Goons. They are blatantly on sided and as soon as the victim organizes and fights back the agressor runs for stations and only engages with overwhelming advantage, not by strategic positioning but just waiting for the correct timezone or for the oposing fleet to stand down.<br /><br />Its gerrilla warfare, and in gerrilla you allways inflict 100x more damage than you take, and yet you rarelly make any strategic progress with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66076105894238840112014-02-09T16:15:37.522+01:002014-02-09T16:15:37.522+01:00@Anonymous
>What NULL regions need is a roamin...@Anonymous<br /><br />>What NULL regions need is a roaming entity that attacks moon production facilities and POCO's.<br /><br />This used to be Pandemic Legion.Paul Dejeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02078988687695155618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33431713406574020372014-02-08T23:54:21.145+01:002014-02-08T23:54:21.145+01:00@Gevlon
"I know that Marmite is using Lemming...@Gevlon<br />"I know that Marmite is using Lemmings as an academy alliance. I don't have problem with that unless it conflicts with the goal we agreed on."<br />Surely it does conflict though. They spend most of their time camping gates, stations and flying through lowsec. They aren't shooting goons half the time, they are shooting suspects or FW players. They focus on soft targets and avoid anything remotely resembling a threat so they can pad out their KB the Marmite way.<br /><br />You are paying them to have a war on goons, and they are taking that as "Marmite business as usual". Even if you consider this training for a later war, what training is being given by the goal of "sit on a gate, talk about weed and how high we all are, and post meme pictures in fleet"? You say you have alts in the corp, well go on the fleets. Verify what they are actually doing first hand.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20802237718311774182014-02-08T19:34:56.185+01:002014-02-08T19:34:56.185+01:00No worries from me.No worries from me.Sugar Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437978687639772023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27420180747321333852014-02-08T19:27:11.538+01:002014-02-08T19:27:11.538+01:00What NULL regions need is a roaming entity that at...What NULL regions need is a roaming entity that attacks moon production facilities and POCO's.<br /><br />CCP isk sink at it's finest.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76255717999465930482014-02-08T19:13:27.232+01:002014-02-08T19:13:27.232+01:00@Sugar: I'm not blind. I know that Marmite is ...@Sugar: I'm not blind. I know that Marmite is using Lemmings as an academy alliance. I don't have problem with that unless it conflicts with the goal we agreed on.<br /><br />It is possible that one of the directors told "hey a wardec, let's jump on it for more targets". I made it very clear to them that if they want my money, they must stick war targets to CFC.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32723494244888095872014-02-08T18:07:32.587+01:002014-02-08T18:07:32.587+01:00You do realize Sugars corp is a lowsec pirate orga...You do realize Sugars corp is a lowsec pirate organization, right? There's nothing remotely "breathtaking" about it. If they ever decide to you know, go to lowsec away from their highsec station undocks, they will be giving 7-2 exactly what they want, more PvP.Xaeroflexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05218476652847276691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3942019122179151882014-02-08T17:25:03.679+01:002014-02-08T17:25:03.679+01:00It was not taken as a declaration of ill intent by...It was not taken as a declaration of ill intent by Gevlon. Whenever a corp declares war randoms will pile on. That is expected.<br /><br /> Lemmings, as I understand it, have a focused goal. That goal hasn't looked like 'hope a low sec PvP corp derps into high sec for more tsrgets'.<br /><br />I know that Gevlon is paying its bills and it was set up under his goals. That is why I found the deviation interesting when I looked at the latest notification.Sugar Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437978687639772023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66401108166139482102014-02-08T16:07:59.385+01:002014-02-08T16:07:59.385+01:00@Gevlon
" I asked about it at the management ...@Gevlon<br />" I asked about it at the management and they had no idea why the war. <br />If I have to guess, one of the directors misclicked."<br /><br />The management misclicks wars? Are they such complete amateurs? That's a bit of a lame official justification to say the least.<br /><br />@Lucas Kell<br />"It really just looks like you are paying Marmite to run their training alliance so it doesn't hurt their stats."<br /><br />Yes, it's already stated in Lemmings alliance description: <i>* This alliance is supported by The Marmite Collective. They will recruit from this alliance when they have free spots (max 300).</i><br />Marmite profits from this war more than just from paid wardecs obviously. That being said, do the gatecamping marmite members really require "training"? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69332225873553108382014-02-08T05:40:09.610+01:002014-02-08T05:40:09.610+01:00Maybe you just inherited the war against her corp ...Maybe you just inherited the war against her corp when one of the many new corps joined the alliance.Rotznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3213933966821108512014-02-08T05:14:13.939+01:002014-02-08T05:14:13.939+01:00@Anonymous: until Sugar wrote, even I didn't k...@Anonymous: until Sugar wrote, even I didn't know that it's her corp. I'm sure whoever "misclicked" didn't know either.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76358259641473271582014-02-07T23:58:19.504+01:002014-02-07T23:58:19.504+01:00I love how Goons and others try to defend themselv...I love how Goons and others try to defend themselves here. ISK is a critical tool to weilding power. Without solid income you cannot win wars or defend yourself effectively. You are reduced to Guerrilla warfare at best. <br /><br />Goon leadership knows this and it gaurds its ISK production by misinformation to prevent concentrated efforts by their enemies to disrupt their income stream. After all, effective economic warfare can defeat your enemy without sending a single soldier to the line.<br /><br />But clearly Gevlon is getting under the skins of Goon if they have to come to this blog to defend themselves. EVE News24 and the forums just must not be good enough. So I would take their attention of you, Gevlon, as a sign you are getting to them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632890795463696914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79970541444394877282014-02-07T23:12:19.028+01:002014-02-07T23:12:19.028+01:00Wait what? You endorse Sugar Kyle and the next day...Wait what? You endorse Sugar Kyle and the next day the lemmings are at war with her corp?! That is... Breathtaking. I'm not accusing you of doing this, but you should consider sabotage as an explanation, what are the odds?<br /><br />LRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78441510505592308812014-02-07T22:55:50.068+01:002014-02-07T22:55:50.068+01:00reading all this, what comes to my mind is smith&#...reading all this, what comes to my mind is smith's thing about the division of labour.danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69752670177293902292014-02-07T17:24:06.807+01:002014-02-07T17:24:06.807+01:00"I asked about it at the management and they ..."I asked about it at the management and they had no idea why the war.<br /><br />If I have to guess, one of the directors misclicked. I asked them very explicitly to be careful in the future.<br /><br />If you check Lemmings wars, it's all against CFC, Greater Western and inherited wars from former Greater Western corps."<br />Or they thought "hey, free wardec" and didn't care who they were hitting, since all they do is camp stations or go on lowsec roams. When they do kill a war target, it's blind luck that they were even there to be honest.<br />In all seriousness with no troll intended, you really should take a closer look at what you are paying for. It really just looks like you are paying Marmite to run their training alliance so it doesn't hurt their stats.<br /><br />"Goons tell nothing but lies. They grew trough lies and deception. You have to figure out everything by yourself."<br />Actually, you'd be surprised. Goons are and always have been pretty open about things as far as alliances go. And they grew through good leadership, superior tactics, effective diplomacy and meta gaming.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61916783332406854082014-02-07T17:16:30.437+01:002014-02-07T17:16:30.437+01:00@Sugar: I asked about it at the management and the...@Sugar: I asked about it at the management and they had no idea why the war. <br /><br />If I have to guess, one of the directors misclicked. I asked them very explicitly to be careful in the future.<br /><br />If you check Lemmings wars, it's all against CFC, Greater Western and inherited wars from former Greater Western corps.<br /><br />@Anonymous: Goons tell nothing but lies. They grew trough lies and deception. You have to figure out everything by yourself.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75258384324145315242014-02-07T17:16:28.329+01:002014-02-07T17:16:28.329+01:00@Sugar: I asked about it at the management and the...@Sugar: I asked about it at the management and they had no idea why the war. <br /><br />If I have to guess, one of the directors misclicked. I asked them very explicitly to be careful in the future.<br /><br />If you check Lemmings wars, it's all against CFC, Greater Western and inherited wars from former Greater Western corps.<br /><br />@Anonymous: Goons tell nothing but lies. They grew trough lies and deception. You have to figure out everything by yourself.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88827258712576120192014-02-07T16:47:56.079+01:002014-02-07T16:47:56.079+01:00I really don't understand what you're tryi...I really don't understand what you're trying to do, Gevlon.<br /><br />Rally EVE against Goons? 1/3 of EVE already hates them, 1/3 admires them, 1/3 doesn't care. Whatever they think of them, no-one at the moment is able to beat them in all-out war, because they're the best at that. That's not gonna change because say, PL suddenly starts pvp-ing less and ratting more.<br /><br />Also, all this data mining effort to prove that:<br /><br />Goons aren't leet pvp-ers? They've kinda always said that of themselves.<br /><br />Solo pvp-ers and coalitions alike need ISK (thus some sort of carebeary activity) to buy pvp ships? That's kinda evident from the tutorials.<br /><br />Lastly, if you wanna how Goons manage to be the most powerful EVE entity, leave the number crunching and learn it from Mittani himself. The man has a big enough ego to have enjoyed explaining his tactics and strategies numerous times.<br /><br />In other words, stop trying so hard Gevlon. You're a smart individualist that will never 'win' a true social sandbox like EVE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20914617030549376342014-02-07T16:45:14.155+01:002014-02-07T16:45:14.155+01:00Lemmings joined As an ally against 7-2s war Dec ag...Lemmings joined As an ally against 7-2s war Dec against whomever it is the boys deced. While I am sure the ally thing is open on the other side.... What is this as part of Lemmings goal of taking down Goonswarm in HS? <br /><br />Joining in on a low sec corps dec is an action reminiscent of the entire Jita station camper persona that had been placed against Marmite. Sure, there is the hope that my boys will go to Jita and undock and be killed but is that what Lemmings is? Another generalist high sec war Dec corp?<br /><br />I know you do not directly run Lemmings but I did think that the results Were more goal oriented.Sugar Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437978687639772023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57023317293955001722014-02-07T16:19:42.406+01:002014-02-07T16:19:42.406+01:00@Guerdon
"Not all sources of ISK are equal, a...@Guerdon<br />"Not all sources of ISK are equal, as easy to acquire by real life effort needed or have the same risk/reward."<br />I never said they were, I simply said there are many that are viable. Carebearing isn't the cornerstone of an alliance, this has been proven time and again.<br /><br />@Concerned Minmatar<br />"Lucas Kell is really grasping at straws these days... "Assumptions"? "Flawed analysis"? Please point out these flaws instead of just postulating their existence. The evidence seems pretty damning to me so far."<br />Well most of the flaws in the analysis are the assumptions, of which there are many. Look at the data he has got. He has unreliable data scraped from dotlan. Even dotlan themselves have explained why they are not accurate. This is because they are pulled from the EVE API, which only shows the last hours data, so to get historic data they have to pull it every hour. Meaning any downtime of either EVE API or the dotlan scraper adds a gap, as does any difference between the cache time and the scrape time.<br /><br />From that, he's only got the data of approximately how many npcs are killed in any given region. It does not state how much they are worth or who killed them, so he is assuming they are all killed by goons and assuming their value (which can vary wildly between sec status, military index level and individual anom type).<br /><br />Really, I should not need to explain to you why the statistics pulled from dotlan are not enough to make the conclusion presented here. Common sense should tell you that.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3422301271376987302014-02-07T15:25:39.317+01:002014-02-07T15:25:39.317+01:00What is a carebear? Someone who is unwilling to fi...What is a carebear? Someone who is unwilling to fight. Ratting a lot a carebear does not make.<br /><br />LRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64460517757996434362014-02-07T14:39:52.259+01:002014-02-07T14:39:52.259+01:00Actually, the burden of proof is on Gevlon. He is...Actually, the burden of proof is on Gevlon. He is the one making claims which are based on many assumptions, some of which Lucas has already pointed out. No "evidence" has been posted, only data that can be analysed many different ways. Gevlon chose the one that has the highest number of assumptions, which is basically the opposite of Occams RazorBabarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-37922984581924110622014-02-07T13:52:35.999+01:002014-02-07T13:52:35.999+01:00Lucas Kell is really grasping at straws these days...Lucas Kell is really grasping at straws these days... "Assumptions"? "Flawed analysis"? Please point out these flaws instead of just postulating their existence. The evidence seems pretty damning to me so far.A concerned Minmatarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5909979211452454362014-02-07T13:39:13.144+01:002014-02-07T13:39:13.144+01:00@Lucas Kell
Not all sources of ISK are equal, as e...@Lucas Kell<br />Not all sources of ISK are equal, as easy to acquire by real life effort needed or have the same risk/reward.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619264730440032374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87511933769494312592014-02-07T12:06:20.267+01:002014-02-07T12:06:20.267+01:00"Your own carebears are yours unless you lose..."Your own carebears are yours unless you lose them with bad leadership."<br />So leadership is important then. Carebearing being just a form of income, with there being many others that are also viable.it's obvious ISK is important, bu the source of that isk isn't. What's more important though is good leadership and good strategic planning.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.com