tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post7307473571848641177..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: They just have different prioritiesGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30231333249920122752011-05-30T12:27:55.437+02:002011-05-30T12:27:55.437+02:00"'So in the end I think that this has eve..."'So in the end I think that this has everything to do with different interests. You like PvE and quests, we like PvP, and that's why we try to kill you, and hope for a good fight in return. That player you killed after he tried attacking you, didn't think "oh no, I died, now peers will think I'm stupid", but he thought "wow, that was a good fight. Let's find someone else to fight now". Or at least that's what I would think."<br /><br />You must be one in a million who plays in TB like that.<br /><br />Too many people in TB do a 2v1, or attack you while you are in your PvE gear doing the quests, or waiting on the bridge and death gripping you into the horde NPCs. That has nothing to do with a fair fight, which is why its not skill-based.<br /><br />A PvP player with skill would not bother to engage to such low behavior. If all you care for is a fair fight, you can go to arena (world PvP arena allows 1v1, or you can queue for arena).<br /><br />World PvP was and is still dead, as its only played when the scales are unfair. If you want competitive PvP, you play arena, RBG, BG, TB. City offense/defense is the only other form on world pvp in existence, and its also rather lame. I take I don't have to mention the camping on raid entrances?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66983330349232928332011-05-04T01:21:47.153+02:002011-05-04T01:21:47.153+02:00@ martina: Because we're attempting to change ...@ martina: Because we're attempting to change Gevlon into something that better suits our wants. He's capable of producing some very good articles and generating some good insights. This post isn't representative of that. The criticism is intended to encourage him to start producing good insights again.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-90523311630994241782011-05-03T16:39:33.691+02:002011-05-03T16:39:33.691+02:00I like these comments better than the post itself....I like these comments better than the post itself. Most of the people feel the need to explain to Gevlon that fun is arbitrary, to defend what he called morons etc...<br /><br />Why?martinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-90232177723829886292011-05-03T06:55:34.993+02:002011-05-03T06:55:34.993+02:00I think I understand what Gevlon meant, altough it...I think I understand what Gevlon meant, altough it's a very subjective post and he tries to put his belief as the right choice.<br /><br />Gevlon believe that collecting vanity items in WoW is moronic.<br /><br />That's not necessarily true. Gathering them for Social Status is stupid. That is an ape subroutine. Being better than others trough material items. Plague of our society.<br /><br />However, gathering stuff in the game to gather as much achievement points as possible, not for the points, but aiming for 100% game completion (altough it's hard, some may want to see as much of the game as possible, and this includes doing Loremaster) is a goal many serious players may have. I have had that goal when i played WoW, got a violet Protodrake, altough I never use it, did alot of quests in zone to see the quests. Not for other people, but for my own enjoyment.<br /><br />And yet, I was a good rogue that didn't fail in raids/dungeons.<br /><br />""<br />While you can obviously believe and stand up for the idea that "collecting status symbols is good", but "everyone has different priorities" is nihilism as it claims that every idea is equal and good.""<br /><br />In the end, all ideas are equal and good, since they are man made, they will return to nothing as if nothing happened. The ideas exist for but a fleeting moment and won't affect the huge universe we live in. So yeah, to an extent nihilism is realistic. Nothing will matter once the Earth has been reduced to ashes by the sun in some billion years.<br /><br />HOWEVER. If we zoom in on our time and current state of society, then not all ideas are better and good. Some methods are better to reach goals, some methods are NECESSARY and OBLIGATORY to reach goals.<br /><br />Now, how can we define a pointless goal? Something that is useless to society has a whole? Society is not objectivist, so they carry uselessness. Then again, individuals care only for their (group's?) own gain. In politics, they think about how promises affect them, not the whole country.<br />So individuals themselve accept the useless people and carry them. As long as that exists, there will be useless goals. Then again, these useless goals create a need for products we can sell them so we become rich at their expense.<br /><br />And uselessness won't matter in the end. I don't have an answer.<br />My point is, do what you enjoy doing, if you don't like morons, then stay away from them, and try to live a good life. It's too short to keep worrying about idiots doing useless crap. I see them everyday and I want to rip my hair off, but what do you want... I walk away. Teachers are uncapable of correctly managing their kids. They use old techniques, aren't capable to objectively judge someone's capacities... This guy has friend in the asperger (intelling autists) group? Let's talk to him like he's a low functioning autistic person. So yeah. Live a good life and run away from idiots.Jackthepsychomaniacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63609671127759957092011-05-03T05:19:57.902+02:002011-05-03T05:19:57.902+02:00Even if one were to concede your point that PvE ra...Even if one were to concede your point that PvE raiding is "better" than collecting minipets, is it significantly better? As @scotth, ME, anonymous et al said, would many of the billions of the people on the planet who don't play MMOs see much difference between an adult playing for minipets or HM raids? There difference between $100 and $200 may be large to the person who has $100, but not to millionaires. <br /><br />I think nearly everyone would say that someone who collects pets for 39 hours a month and spends an extra hour at work/school is doing much better with their life than someone who spends 40 hours a month on realm first heroic clears. The difference between being in the top 0.01% of WoW players or the bottom .01% is trivial relative to working a bit hard at work/school/with your kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13516758560850265382011-05-03T02:46:41.207+02:002011-05-03T02:46:41.207+02:00It is like you are unable to understand that fun i...It is like you are unable to understand that fun is subjective and are drawing an arbitrary line 'this is fun/this is not' and expect that it applies universally. Your analogy is extreme hyperbole. To anyone who is a non-gamer there is no difference between you and a mini-pet collector. You are both the scum of the earth, regardless. Your point of view makes about as much sense as that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72384871122744541032011-05-02T22:54:15.545+02:002011-05-02T22:54:15.545+02:00Gev, you've changed my mind about you over the...Gev, you've changed my mind about you over the past few months, and I'm usually a stubborn (no pun intended) jerk about mind changing, so that's no small feat. I have to say, though, that while I agree with 87.5 percent of your post today (3 of 4 and half of the other), I think it's dangerous to make assumptions about why people collect object X in a game. If they're doing it for the reason you imply, then I agree with your point; however, without evidence, laying a blanket statement down that everyone is doing it for that reason seems an overreach. Some people are just what I'd call "completionists," and want to get things done, regardless of the time it takes to farm or the like. Raid bosses are not really any different, actually, especially at the rate that gear is being replaced by better gear. <br /><br />Unless of course you raid because you want to get it done, to complete the content the game provided; in that case, you, too, are a completionist (as am I), and then we're in good company.<br /><br />I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty "what type of philosophical fallacy" is this stuff; I have a feeling you knew and meant what you said, I'm just surprised as I've gotten used to your blunt directness usually backed up by evidence or logic, and this one seems unusually devoid of either.<br /><br />I enjoyed the rest of the post, though, especially the "killer" portion; having leveled "with friends" over and over on PvP servers (my fault for having stupid friends), I've certainly procured a disdain for griefers.Stubbornhttp://sheepthediamond.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-38850862102987329522011-05-02T22:15:36.309+02:002011-05-02T22:15:36.309+02:00I PvP. I do not PvP RBGs or arena, because I am on...I PvP. I do not PvP RBGs or arena, because I am on a backwater PvE realm and do not have a fixed schedule that I can work around; IE I might play for an hour at 4:00 one day and 2 hours at 7:00 the next. I enjoy battlegrounds, though, and getting more skilled/geared. I do go after gear because of an inherent lack of other progression, as well as the fact that in pvp there is no such undergeared project; gear really does effect the outcome. I do not share the same goals as you; I do not find PvE fun. I also enjoy winning; so I play a healer not a 'more fun' DD. I am actively trying to reroll on a better PvP server, but my main priority is not an arena team or RBG team, but just to have fun PvPing and working towards winning/gear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-39653777899497374432011-05-02T22:09:35.426+02:002011-05-02T22:09:35.426+02:00I always wanted to ask what you think about art an...I always wanted to ask what you think about art and artists. Art, is in a practical sense, useless and in many cases it becomes profitable only long after the artists death. Yet many art peaces (be they literature, music,sculpture or whatever) require some extraordinary skill. So how do you consider art?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58272960394175960702011-05-02T21:26:03.184+02:002011-05-02T21:26:03.184+02:00Part of being a Goblin is being social when you ar...Part of being a Goblin is being social when you are better than others. That's the argument that every Goblin turns to when they reach high enough. Gevlon just went that same route.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33187829170890510002011-05-02T19:49:02.775+02:002011-05-02T19:49:02.775+02:00You call the guy farming for a minipet a moron; I ...You call the guy farming for a minipet a moron; I would consider anyone who does TB dailies morons by your own logic.<br /><br />How is doing the same easy quests over and over fun? How can you justify these repeated, boring actions as a 'priority'?<br /><br />And no, the resistance trinket is insufficient justification; such an argument falls within the purview of 'gear>skill'. <br /><br />But hey, everyone who plays this game is a moron:<br />-AH profiteers only gain virtual currency that is intrinsically worthless.<br />-Raiders simply engage in the same scripted encounters over and over.<br />-Arena players should go play a different game, one that has better balance and less bugs.Milohnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51233953460472363872011-05-02T19:32:07.970+02:002011-05-02T19:32:07.970+02:00I don't really understand the pedophile argume...I don't really understand the pedophile argument. Why don't I like a pedophile? Because he hurts children. If he whacks off but hurts nobody, I don't dislike him, unless I have children. Then I would consider him dangerous because of his condition because I want to protect my children. If it is guaranteed he hurts nobody, I don't care what he whacks off to, why would I? These people who collect mini-pets, or huntards like me who collect combat pets, their activity does not harm or threaten anybody, does it? I understand the other arguments, about people who try to kill you, or hold you back in your instance, they all are wasting your time. I never cared or was jealous of anybody because they had mini-pets, and only rarely was jealous of somebody with special hunter pet. Maybe he had Krush tamed, and I like the color green a lot so I am a little bit jealous. I certainly do not think they are better than me, I only wish my devilsaur was green, too, even though I know it serves the same purpose. That makes me a bit of a moron. I can tell myself ten times a day that white is just as good as green. The real test comes when I get the green one, and am I more happy? No. So you do us all a good service by pointing out when we are morons. It's good medicine to be found on Greedy Goblin.Yagglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177750815584983551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85191646478699565612011-05-02T18:37:43.236+02:002011-05-02T18:37:43.236+02:00Victimless crime? Where did the pictures come from...Victimless crime? Where did the pictures come from then? Random image generator?Cyrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45991924840976879082011-05-02T17:50:14.739+02:002011-05-02T17:50:14.739+02:00You setup a guild that did exactly what you call t...You setup a guild that did exactly what you call the killers actions M&S. If you got ganked by that guild, then you would say they need to be destroyed and fall into m&s. <br /><br />Excluding yourself from a group behavior you call bad because you did it for a reason is exactly what m&s do.shanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12289685909220344772011-05-02T17:07:18.918+02:002011-05-02T17:07:18.918+02:00As far as "Why be awesome" goes, you sti...As far as "Why be awesome" goes, you still have shown no evidence that all your "awesomeness" is doing anything to attract people to your guild. According to the armory, you've gained some and you've lost some and you're pretty much the same size as when you started. So I'd say the people questioning your motive for continuing to pay for guild achievements are raising a valid point.Sheldonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7272250410893578862011-05-02T17:04:58.237+02:002011-05-02T17:04:58.237+02:00I like a lot of the posts I read on this blog.
Ho...I like a lot of the posts I read on this blog.<br /><br />However I feel that this one article has gone into "pot and kettle" territory! <br /><br />I don't think people that invest large amounts of time in an MMORPG should really start identifying activities in the game and rating them in terms of how moronic they are.<br /><br />Raiding for purple pixels is incredibly moronic as they are replaced every 4 months and just cannot justify the time investment. Sure for the worse players (leeches) in a raid team it can be fun to raid, if like me you were one of the better players (the boosters) it is an exercise in stress and frustration just to keep up with the never ending gear race. Moronic period.<br /><br />Gold gathering is another moronic activity - it's value eroded by inflation and even the most intelligent players with the highest gold/hour ratio are morons. I hate gold buyers but the currency conversion from real world to virtual currency is laughable so I can't really argue with their logic. I spend five hours grinding gold and they spend an hour longer in work doing overtime to pay for gold and then they can spend the other four hours in the pub laughing at me. Who is moron there?<br /><br />As others have said, it doesn't matter how you play the game, it is ultimately a complete and utter waste of time which IMO offers very poor value compared to RL activities. Hence why I quit hardcore raiding and started playing casually - I only played the game during those brief periods of time that were too short to do anything of value in the real world. In short I spent my "junk" time on the game.Coralinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55923870530398416872011-05-02T16:43:12.410+02:002011-05-02T16:43:12.410+02:00You say "nihilism" like it's a bad t...You say "nihilism" like it's a bad thing. In this case, I think it's the proper attitude to have. After all, everything we do in World of Warcraft IS ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things.<br /><br />Let go of this crazy notion that there are "useful" and "useless" ways to PLAY. Accept that World of Warcraft is entertainment, and as long as you're having fun it's good. I found that this attitude helps me better enjoy the game, and not get so stressed if I don't "progress."<br /><br />Unless, as seems to be the case, you find it "fun" to believe yourself better than other people. In that case, carry on, I guess. Just realize that, by thinking that playing games better somehow makes you superior, you're just as much a M&S as the rest of us.Deadly Kwobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04595604026225798977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81225032336490642482011-05-02T16:39:19.148+02:002011-05-02T16:39:19.148+02:00@people who say "you pay for guild acheivemen...@people who say "you pay for guild acheivements" http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-be-awesome.html<br /><br />@others: there will be a post on Wednesday.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69900691722711555372011-05-02T16:32:16.751+02:002011-05-02T16:32:16.751+02:00As long as you realize that your whole blog would ...As long as you realize that your whole blog would be consisered moronic to those who work in the financial sector, day traders, soldiers and anyone who does daily what you do in a video game.Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12338876497982816123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23176281372035335372011-05-02T15:34:16.492+02:002011-05-02T15:34:16.492+02:00"guys who are clearly defeated in a BG but st..."<i>guys who are clearly defeated in a BG but still don't give up, turtle up at their last base/flag and wast 10 more minutes of everyone without even attempting to turn the match</i>"<br /><br />http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5363Grimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51872080399972680352011-05-02T14:51:22.374+02:002011-05-02T14:51:22.374+02:00I think your goal first level 25 guild falls into ...I think your goal first level 25 guild falls into the catagory "Status symbol collectors". In your terms of definition to be a M&S I cannot find any reason to reach GL 25 - I don't know any benefit beside the status in terms of other players reputation and "admiration". Beside this I think defeating a (heroic) boss (probably in blue/green) is a kind of status collection as well. The more and stronger bosses killed in low equip the biger the status ... What unifies all players like you, me and all other M&S is, we are siting in front of a monitor and want to get entertained.<br /><br />I am entertained on the way to reach my thousands of thousands of kills, but on this way it is counterproductive to win TB as fast as possible - I prefer a full 30min fight and a lot of zerg. In this terms every player who tries to win fast is a M&S in your definition, because he takes my time waiting in the TB queue with the risk not to get a slot in the TB raid.Smittynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52364329661763143642011-05-02T14:23:33.525+02:002011-05-02T14:23:33.525+02:00I guess I am confused as to why participating in T...I guess I am confused as to why participating in Tol Barad is a good priority (as long as the player does what you want them to), but collecting mini pets is a bad priority. I don't see either one as being different, both are essentially time sinks in a video game.scotthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12355139676022243690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-37500793999386999752011-05-02T14:11:12.646+02:002011-05-02T14:11:12.646+02:00First your pedophile example is wrong. While mastu...First your pedophile example is wrong. While masturbating to child porn may not be as terrible as raping a child, it is not victimless. Both because that person is driving himself further into this behavior, and creating more demand for the material.<br /><br />Also you can call pet and achievement hunters morons, but you have to accept that this is an opinion. As others have said everything in the game is equally pointless in the real world, the only value is one's personal entertainment.Middletonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-90466365056321810462011-05-02T13:40:42.186+02:002011-05-02T13:40:42.186+02:00I don't think your masturbation example is ver...I don't think your masturbation example is very apt. Actually, I would find a guy jerking off to child porn extremely abhorrent. His action is not at all harmless, as many children are taken advantage of and abused by punks like him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4299219741411523782011-05-02T13:39:22.291+02:002011-05-02T13:39:22.291+02:00As every activity in WoW changes some meaningless ...As every activity in WoW changes some meaningless bits somewhere, it's all the same. You are playing it for fun, so you want to maximise your fun. If this is by killing other players, collecting minipets or getting boss kills, who cares.<br /><br />However, if you get fun out of owning minipets, it would be moronic to farm them if you could just buy them much cheaper in the AH. But if you get fun by farming them, then farm them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com