tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post7101653074939624206..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Keep it simple stupid! (or the CSM election fail)Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91132384187240292942013-05-13T22:33:53.703+02:002013-05-13T22:33:53.703+02:00First off, your two suggestions are very good for ...First off, your two suggestions are very good for the goal of simplifying the process for the average voter. <br /><br />Another thing to note is that there is no reason the number of slots needs to be equal to the number of candidates who will be elected. It could just as easily be run with 3 slots or 31. More slots would lead to fewer exhausted ballots, less would lead to more, but there's no reason that the cutoff ought to be 14. I would actually prefer to be able to post a full ranking. This could e facilitated by making the interface "pick your top candidate", posting that candidate's full preference order, and then allowing "expert users" to edit their ballot as they see fit from there, preferably with a simple drag and drop interface<br /><br />On the other hand, I don't agree that the lower voter turnout was necessarily entirely because the system was too complicated. Other possibilities include these candidates being less polarizing than last years, people being happy with the way the game is moving and so less interested in pushing for change, these candidates being less well known, fewer candidates running, etc etc etc<br /><br />Moreover it was inevitable that at some point the turnout would decline, note that the turnout was still the second highest ever<br /><br />Making the system simpler to participate in is undoubtably a good thing, but blaming the entire drop in turnout on the lack of simplicity with no evidence that other factors didn't play in is overly simplisticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56443996333032213832013-05-13T16:53:20.241+02:002013-05-13T16:53:20.241+02:00If CCP wanted to increase voting turn out, one of ...If CCP wanted to increase voting turn out, one of the things they could do is "bribe" the customers with some apparel in the game that one can't get otherwise. Red star t-shirts this anniversary. How about blue star ones next election? <br /><br />I actually ran for election in the real world. Getting voters to care is hard. Getting the media to care is hard. Getting people to vote is hard. Getting voters and the media to care about issues is hard. <br /><br />The office I ran for was a small state one. And this office was near the bottom of the ballot near the "should we re-elect Judge X?" part. Between President and my part of the ballot, 40% of the people stopped voting. <br /><br />Even the partisan political offices had that "voter fatigue". So if 10 people voted for President, 9 voted for Senator, 8 voted for Representative and so on, down to 4 for "my" sad little office. <br /><br />Try running for elected office. I'm sure there are some small part-time offices in your country that would be an educational experience for you. You don't need to spend a lot of money. I spent about $200 for my run, the guy who won spent 200x what I spent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34564010374653984472013-05-13T16:05:09.025+02:002013-05-13T16:05:09.025+02:00Should use the Aussie version again.
1 vote above ...Should use the Aussie version again.<br />1 vote above line, or all votes below line.<br /><br />Candidate fills out his "preferences", and if voter just votes 1 vote - its logged as the candiate preference.<br /><br />otherwise the voter can do the full 14 place voting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15032994801885873212013-05-13T14:59:17.413+02:002013-05-13T14:59:17.413+02:00This whole post is conditioned on the idea that ge...This whole post is conditioned on the idea that getting people who don't know anything to state an opinion about something will result in quality information. Well, it won't. At best, ignorant voters add noise to an election result. At worst, they will vote based on upon criteria that are actively negative, i.e., they vote on the basis of propaganda. <br /><br />Any voting system must deal with the reality that most voters are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ignorance" rel="nofollow">rationally ignorant</a>. Other things equal, more voting is not good. <b>More voting is bad.</b> Given how ignorant most EVE players are of EVE politics, I count this year's lack of turnout for CSM as a good thing. If we are lucky, next year's turnout will be even lower.<br /><br />That stated, I like both of your ideas. Having a simple ballot as the default allows voters who have limited information to vote while encouraging them not to add noise. (But even with simple ballots, you cannot alphabetize -- really. Many voters, believing in the "you must vote" propaganda, will vote for whoever is first on the ballot.) <br /><br />Simple-vote ballot proxying adds information to the election which comes from the candidates. The candidates are very likely to be much less ignorant about politics than the voters. In effect this is like putting a party line on the ballot, which is a common American form of simple voting. Except that the "party" in this case is the politician. Von Keigaihttp://vonkeigai.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11922746984727958362013-05-13T12:36:34.642+02:002013-05-13T12:36:34.642+02:00Compulsory voting is just dumb. Forcing people wh...Compulsory voting is just dumb. Forcing people who don't care into voting doesn't benefit anyone.<br /><br />I had a short vote list. I liked only 3 candidates and voted for only those. I <i>could</i> have done more effort to fill out my ballot; but I didn't want to. Most of the talking points from the field were unobtainable, and that false pretense turned me away from the majority of the candidates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12371879971150872442013-05-13T09:05:30.276+02:002013-05-13T09:05:30.276+02:00There is a problem with that: random voting. In a ...There is a problem with that: random voting. In a real election people have at least a preference for a political party. In EVE many of the players don't even know what CSM is. If you force them to vote, you get some totally random votes or votes that are created after name recognition or alphabetically or avatar picture beauty or whatever.<br /><br />Such CSM wouldn't be more representative.<br /><br />What could be made compulsory is getting informed about the CSM. There could be some video to watch and answer 1-2 trivial questions afterwards. This way all are forced to know about the election, the elected body and the candidates. Then he could choose to go voting if he wish.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-49884509223473544752013-05-13T08:33:58.871+02:002013-05-13T08:33:58.871+02:00Simpler solution, do what we do here in Australia....Simpler solution, do what we do here in Australia.<br /><br />We have preferential voting for the house of representatives. Voting just 1 in your proposed manner would be considered an "informal" vote and not counted. Yet we have nearly 100% voter turn out. How? Compulsory voting.<br /><br />You don't turn up to the ballot, you get fined. Simple as that.<br /><br />Make the voting system work on the log on page and disallow log on after a certain date, following a warning, until after the ballot has been completed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com