tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post6996870178301249500..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Blizzard never stops griefingGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73459016536110899482010-11-19T15:58:56.413+01:002010-11-19T15:58:56.413+01:00@ Desolate: "But I´d like to ask do you think...@ Desolate: <i>"But I´d like to ask do you think that the WGClean addon had no affect on WG? Do you really think that former incooperative players turn into cooperative does nothing to the performance of WG?"</i><br /><br />I don't deny that it may have had an effect on WG. Logically, the argument is sound - by definition, if people come back to the raid and follow instructions (as opposed to griefing outside the raid), then cooperation increases, and performance as a whole rises.<br /><br />What I take issue with is Gevlon's claims on the measure of that success. His first blog post about the results of WGClean suggested that the entire difference between the WGClean weekly win ratio and the server average was due to WGClean. No matter which way you cut it, that can't possibly be true, unless Gevlon is willing to consider his efforts in WG for the prior three months as 'just as bad as the M&S', if there was no increase in performance while the PuG was on the server.<br /><br />His claim about being happy as a researcher can't be true either, because he doesn't have the necessary information to prove what he believes (i.e. the numbers before WGCLean). As far as a research experiment goes, it was a disaster because the experiment wasn't set up properly. He can only be happy as a player and possibly as a leader, but nothing more.<br /><br /><i>"Do you think premade BG groups win because they have better equipment or are magically boosted by blizzard? Or is it because they cooperate instead of running around like chickens?"</i><br /><br />It's a combination of both. Premade 5v5 arena teams running around in BGs aren't just lethal for their cooperation and coordination, they're geared to the teeth as well. Cooperation can only get you so far though - a premade team of 5 relatively fresh 80s will still get gunned down by 5 random guys in all-wrathful gearsets as long as they have half a brain. The problem with the question of PvP and gear is that to get good gear, you have to be good at PvP (arena rating for wrathful sets), so there's automatically a correlation (note - not necessarily causation).<br /><br />@ Taemojitsu: I'll clarify for you. I'm not making any unsubstantiated claims. Happy?Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84604582367273593612010-11-19T12:16:32.838+01:002010-11-19T12:16:32.838+01:00>At the end of the day, Gevlon has no raw numbe...>At the end of the day, Gevlon has no raw numbers to compare to.<br /><br />>The irony is that Gevlon's evidence is precisely the evidence that I'm using. Numbers don't lie. And if you believe the claim, then frankly, your math skills belong back in primary school.<br /><br />No u<br /><br />>I'm not trying to make any claims. <br /><br />glad that's cleared up :PTaemojitsuhttp://daughterofankh.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35327302918845274992010-11-19T09:24:10.104+01:002010-11-19T09:24:10.104+01:00@Squishalot:
Druidflying: Thought so since I have...@Squishalot: <br />Druidflying: Thought so since I haven´t seen some in quite two weeks, but maybe I´m not hanging around in major citys enough...<br /><br />WGClean: I´m still searching for some of the old server statistics at Agamaggan-EU. It turns out to be a bit tricky but not impossible.<br /><br />But I´d like to ask do you think that the WGClean addon had no affect on WG? Do you really think that former incooperative players turn into cooperative does nothing to the performance of WG?<br /><br />Of course Gevlon claims it is a success, because from pure logic it is.<br />More cooperating player -> higher performance and working tactics -> actually working coordination in defense and offense -> More likely to win<br /><br />Just a little counterquestion:<br />Do you think premade BG groups win because they have better equipment or are magically boosted by blizzard? Or is it because they cooperate instead of running around like chickens?Ðesolatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57129331551384378272010-11-19T08:14:07.978+01:002010-11-19T08:14:07.978+01:00@ Taemojitsu: "Screenshots and anecdotal evid...@ Taemojitsu: <i>"Screenshots and anecdotal evidence both support a drastic increase in win percentage with the use of the addon."</i><br /><br />Wrong. Screenshots support a drastic increase in win percentage <b>above the server lifetime average</b>, not period before / period after add-on.<br /><br /><i>"Do you have any evidence that supports your claims? All you do is cite things that weaken any argument you try to put forward, that isn't a very effective rhetorical technique I think. :/"</i><br /><br />The irony is that Gevlon's evidence is precisely the evidence that I'm using. Numbers don't lie. And if you believe the claim, then frankly, your math skills belong back in primary school.<br /><br /><i>"If it's so easy to provide "raw numbers", you should be able to do it too ^_^ Just screenshot your server's stronger faction as having 10:1 defense win ration vs the other faction, and also getting instant promotions. That is, if you can't find any non-touchy feely evidence with raw numbers to support your argument. "</i><br /><br />Again, back into primary school with your logic. As a researcher, Gevlon should have gathered evidence on WG performance in the 2-3 weeks prior to WGClean, but he did not. Ask Gevlon himself if you want evidence / confirmation of that. Hence, he should be kicking himself.<br /><br />I'm not trying to make any claims. I'm trying to get Gevlon to justify his claims, but he can't.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80522558834695842312010-11-19T00:57:04.891+01:002010-11-19T00:57:04.891+01:00@ Desolate: "Were the flying druids over OG /...@ Desolate: <i>"Were the flying druids over OG / SW at the patchnotes? Not really."</i><br /><br />That's because it's not fixed yet, as far as I know.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71144168895212171522010-11-18T22:07:35.315+01:002010-11-18T22:07:35.315+01:00>That the screenshots show that they still don&...>That the screenshots show that they still don't have consistent wins. And Gevlon's anecdotal evidence that their stream of successful defences occured out of peak periods, where the weaker faction traditionally has dominance.<br /><br />Screenshots and anecdotal evidence both support a drastic increase in win percentage with the use of the addon.<br /><br />Do you have any evidence that supports your claims? All you do is cite things that weaken any argument you try to put forward, that isn't a very effective rhetorical technique I think. :/<br /><br />>At the end of the day, Gevlon has no raw numbers to compare to. Therefore, "as a researcher", he should be kicking himself for being such an idiot and not designing his experiment properly.<br /><br />If it's so easy to provide "raw numbers", you should be able to do it too ^_^ Just screenshot your server's stronger faction as having 10:1 defense win ration vs the other faction, and also getting instant promotions. That is, if you can't find any non-touchy feely evidence with raw numbers to support your argument. <br /><br /> (※You could use this to argue either that <i>"It appears that many previously one-sided servers are experiencing a shift in momentum, where WG is no longer as dominated by that single side"</i> or that the Wintergrasp results from using the addon are not statistically significant in a static population.)<br /><br />Then everyone will listen to you like you want them to! ^_^Taemojitsuhttp://daughterofankh.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24493342907566299202010-11-18T20:24:42.953+01:002010-11-18T20:24:42.953+01:00Firstly, have you seen Sirlin's definition of ...Firstly, have you seen Sirlin's definition of a scrub?<br />Secondly, it's absolutely terrible to ever say anything is "one line of code" because it's never, ever that easy. If it was that easy, there would be no bugs in the game and everything would be perfect. It doesn't work that way.Hyperiomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11427183496424826153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15368836141749225372010-11-18T18:26:30.119+01:002010-11-18T18:26:30.119+01:00My observations are very different than the "...My observations are very different than the "there are no griefers"<br /><br />Starting with the Something Awful forums where essentially people pay RL$ to be with other griefers. Blizzard had to add extra mailboxes because people were parking their mammoths on them. Nobody was gaining honor or benefit for keeping their mammoths there. But it was very common. I think the reason why WoW has fewer griefers is that Blizzard has an ongoing policy of trying to counteract griefing. But something that is griefable will be griefed.<br /><br />And pretending that a randomly joined WG was a raid organized by a raid leader seemed like a bad design. Guild/chat raids have a RL who is leading and should have power. Randoms should not. WG is a random. This fix makes sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31348195366830591932010-11-18T14:25:50.807+01:002010-11-18T14:25:50.807+01:00If someone tuns the win-loose ratio by 180 degree ...If someone tuns the win-loose ratio by 180 degree Blizzard notices, no matter how few the tickets are. Or did you see any lvl 3 "from the horde"? and yes that got fixed too. <br /><br />But yes it is unlikely since the BT-related reasons are logic.<br /><br />"Which is even more laughable."<br />Well everyone has the right to laugh at something.<br /><br />"If they found a bug to stop flying warlocks in Stormwind, I'm sure that'd go on the patch notes too."<br />Were the flying druids over OG / SW at the patchnotes? Not really.Ðesolatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24042344032469777402010-11-18T13:27:16.119+01:002010-11-18T13:27:16.119+01:00@ Taemojitsu: "The "evidence provided by...@ Taemojitsu: <i>"The "evidence provided by Gevlon" was that the presence of The PuG, when diluted by the not-insignificant existing population of the server, was not enough to provide consistent wins :S That was the entire reason the addon was developed.<br /><br />Do you have any other evidence..?"</i><br /><br />That the screenshots show that they still don't have <b>consistent</b> wins. And Gevlon's anecdotal evidence that their stream of successful defences occured out of peak periods, where the weaker faction traditionally has dominance.<br /><br />At the end of the day, Gevlon has no raw numbers to compare to. Therefore, <i>"as a researcher"</i>, he should be kicking himself for being such an idiot and not designing his experiment properly.<br /><br />@ Desolate: <i>"Well, you´re missing one Point. Everywhere you are thrown together with a bunch of people you can´t select (BG LFD) you can vote them out or flag them afk. That´s missing in WG. In fist Blizzard said there is a RL in WG who can select who plays in the raid and who not, so you can select.<br /><br />Now they´ve got rid of that point but didn´t implement the afk-voting / kick voting to WG zone. <br />Why? I don´t get it (it´s a basic BG mechanic)."</i><br /><br />I'm surprised that they didn't implement afk-voting to WG as well. I have no answers for that. But I'm not surprised if Blizzard wish to treat WG as another BG, because that is essentially what it is.<br /><br /><i>"Aw and I never said the change came because of WGClean. I just said Blizzard gives a shit on 600 tickets."</i><br /><br />No, you actually said that you thought it was because the enemies were raising tickets in response to losing! Which is even more laughable.<br /><br />Blizzard cares about FotM. People cry about Paladins being OP, then Paladins get nerfed. People cry about encounters being too difficult, so encounters get nerfed. 600 was a lowball estimate - certainly, Gevlon and his team have kicked out a lot more than 3 per download. Flavour of the month is crying about being kicked from WG. So whether the change was planned from long ago, or a recent decision, the fact that they've been getting a lot of complaints means that the 'fix' gets publicity.<br /><br />If they found a bug to stop flying warlocks in Stormwind, I'm sure that'd go on the patch notes too.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10474961393730584422010-11-18T10:20:05.430+01:002010-11-18T10:20:05.430+01:00@Squishalot:
Well, you´re missing one Point. Every...@Squishalot:<br />Well, you´re missing one Point. Everywhere you are thrown together with a bunch of people you can´t select (BG LFD) you can vote them out or flag them afk. That´s missing in WG. In fist Blizzard said there is a RL in WG who can select who plays in the raid and who not, so you can select.<br /><br />Now they´ve got rid of that point but didn´t implement the afk-voting / kick voting to WG zone. <br />Why? I don´t get it (it´s a basic BG mechanic).<br /> <br />I never doubted it has been changed by the "special" way BT plays (60 minutes cd & 40vs40 like AV) kicking people out of an BG is something quite different than what WGClean did in WG. <br /><br />Obviously TB has the mechanic that beeing kicked out of the raid means beeing kicked out of the zone. What compares to What in WG?<br />Nothing.<br /><br />Aw and I never said the change came because of WGClean. I just said Blizzard gives a shit on 600 tickets.Ðesolatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66373613190723517372010-11-18T08:34:16.529+01:002010-11-18T08:34:16.529+01:00The "evidence provided by Gevlon" was th...The "evidence provided by Gevlon" was that the presence of The PuG, when diluted by the not-insignificant existing population of the server, was not enough to provide consistent wins :S That was the entire reason the addon was developed.<br /><br />Do you have any <i>other</i> evidence..?Taemojitsuhttp://daughterofankh.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66708795077761276892010-11-18T06:25:46.703+01:002010-11-18T06:25:46.703+01:00@ Taemojitsu: "And you have no evidence again...@ Taemojitsu: <i>"And you have no evidence against it."</i><br /><br />Oh, but there is! The masses turned out to see Gevlon's victories in WG and put up with his the PuG's catchcry advertising after each new win.<br /><br />Is it touchy feely anecdotal evidence? Yes. But this is still provided from Gevlon (though not in such language) - the rate of wins on the server was higher after the PuG joined than before. So treat it with the same degree of believability as you would Gevlon's claim that he's been getting more wins than before recently.<br /><br />Why do people keep pointing at WGClean as the reason it was changed? Why not point at THE BRAND NEW PATCH AND WORLD BATTLEGROUND being released in two weeks time? WGClean isn't the only possible reason that they might want to change the mechanics.<br /><br />Thankyou, Jim, for having some sense.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44576713154928092922010-11-18T03:52:36.459+01:002010-11-18T03:52:36.459+01:00I believe the change to HK from less than level 5 ...I believe the change to HK from less than level 5 toons had more to do with goldfarmers using level 1-3 toons to farm HKs, buy gems, sell on AH. They would camp at a GY and a lvl 3 would kill the level 1 over and over and over again, with a bot - no rez timer or anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31597079090191060762010-11-18T01:53:55.389+01:002010-11-18T01:53:55.389+01:00I have no doubt that the changes were implemented ...I have no doubt that the changes were implemented as a direct result of WGClean and this blog.<br /><br />Over the past year I’ve seen players kick others from WG for no reason other than that they didn’t like them. Yet never before was this fixed as it wasn’t a systematic process like WGClean.<br /><br />When I reported the honor farmers through the ticket system I received nothing but an automated response identical to ones that I’ve received in the past when reporting underground mining bots etc. I submitted another ticket and spoke to a GM, mentioning that I had recorded video of the activity. Their response was “thank you but we cannot accept video or screenshots as evidence”.<br /><br />The activity in Western Plaguelands continued until just after Gevlon posted the video on his blog. Quite the coincidence that despite having being around for a long time, both of these issues were ‘fixed’ at the same time.Otterlovernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-68832526555910960342010-11-18T01:41:47.424+01:002010-11-18T01:41:47.424+01:00First of all, kicking people from the WG raid is n...First of all, kicking people from the WG raid is nothing new. People were getting banned over it months ago on my server (Trollbane US). They may have been getting banned though because it was getting out of control and disruptive.<br /><br />Second of all, it is pretty clear this change had to do with Top Barad. Just this week they announced that TB would be 1:1 (no tenacity) capped at 80 players (40 a side). This means kicking someone from the raid would likely kick them from the zone if there was a waiting list. Even the most psychopathic of you would have to admit that would be unfair.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65871970672461685292010-11-17T23:53:21.257+01:002010-11-17T23:53:21.257+01:00Oh btw, if anyone wants some sort of idea of what ...Oh btw, if anyone wants some sort of idea of what WoW PvP was like before catapults, this is some random mage PvP video that I saved during a period of time when I wasn't playing WoW, it isn't the best but wasn't meant to be:<br /><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1414439416325446530" rel="nofollow">Divinity II by Avengence</a> - <a href="http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=20446" rel="nofollow">WCM</a>Taemojitsuhttp://daughterofankh.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45678682564656194282010-11-17T23:23:48.708+01:002010-11-17T23:23:48.708+01:00Squishalot:
>So I'll satisfy myself by sayi...Squishalot:<br />>So I'll satisfy myself by saying that you have no evidence for that claim other than wishy washy touchy-feely anecdotal evidence.<br /><br />And you have no evidence against it.<br /><br /><br />Aljabra:<br />>I guess, it's time for me to tell yet another story, that occurred in ancient times, on the Warsong-EU server. It was time, when orcs was greener, and many of us, including me, just started playing the game. BC was just a small dot on the far horizon and most advanced players jut got they hands on brand new T2 sets. . . .<br /><br />Well, there's always the standard disclaimer that "griefing with PvP solutions is not treated as griefing" :P..<br /><br />I don't recall exactly, but in the original alpha wasn't the penalty for ganking lower-level players a "dishonourable kill" that would reduce reputation with your own faction to the point of causing guards to attack you? Before being modified to only apply to lower-level NPCs when the revised honor system launched on live.<br /><br />(I miss rooftop battles in Gadgetzan lol...ranged aoe snares to prevent people from jumping on crates ftw!)Taemojitsuhttp://daughterofankh.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25735302211656102912010-11-17T22:27:04.322+01:002010-11-17T22:27:04.322+01:00@ Aljabra and Desolate:
You're missing one ke...@ Aljabra and Desolate:<br /><br />You're missing one key point. I'm not arguing that Blizzard are patching griefing by stopping WGClean from working. I'm arguing that they're patching a 'not working as intended' bug in the game.<br /><br />In both circumstances that you're outlining (griefing of lowbies and baiting people in AV), that's working as intended. So there's no reason to change it, of course.<br /><br />And again, the reason it's being done right now is likely because it impacts on Tol Barad. Regarding the PTR - did you happen to test it on the PTR? Have you heard of people griefing using RL privileges on the PTR? If so, evidence would be nice, if you're going to claim that it never went there first.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82452361149789294542010-11-17T22:21:12.445+01:002010-11-17T22:21:12.445+01:00"Maybe Blizzard could also potentially see th..."Maybe Blizzard could also potentially see that one/two players in each WG, has the power to say who can play or not, and that doesn't sit well with them."<br /><br />You know that they only leave the raid. They can form their own raids. <br /><br />"As WG is supposed to be available to everyone on the realm, regardless of their skill level, I don't see why any one person who thinks it's their raid, has the right to say who can play or can't play." <br />Of course that includes fishermen, bots, farmers, leechers...<br />I don´t see why any person would defend leeching / farming inside a BG. If you say it´s ment to be because you can do it. By that conclusion may wars murders and (ingame) hacks have been justyfied. <br />Look over your nutshell.Ðesolatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54438737514377591632010-11-17T22:14:14.143+01:002010-11-17T22:14:14.143+01:00"Can't kick people from the raid....good....<i>"Can't kick people from the raid....good. Like BG system...but Who says you can't report idiots and have them removed."</i><br /><br />Yes, the GMs will get right to that report, after the 1,385 tickets queued ahead of it. The BG will have ended - several times over - by the time they could address it.<br /><br />Self-policing just makes too much sense to be allowed to happen, I guess...Heywood Djiblomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424315448841746864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4893262145619024262010-11-17T21:41:58.970+01:002010-11-17T21:41:58.970+01:00@Amyiss said...
"World BG kicking isn...@Amyiss said...<br /><br /><i> "World BG kicking isn't intended - you have no real alternatives if you wish to participate as part of the organised group in WG."</i><br /><br /><i> Yes you do, it's called being a productive member of the group. It's crazy, but it works for some of us on a regular basis.</i><br /><br />Refer to the posts made November 5th and 10th. Gevlon was kicking players who were contributing, he only discontinued the practice because he was incapable of multi-tasking and micromanaging effectively. A more capable player isn't going to have those restrictions, even assuming they're using it for that intended purpose rather than as retaliation for some perceived slight. Keep in mind that the whole project started out of an attempt to deny someone honor as a form of revenge over a disagreement, the player remaining in WG afterward was entirely accidental.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74278889838116573332010-11-17T21:41:20.295+01:002010-11-17T21:41:20.295+01:00@Gevlon said...
@Anonymous: but I can still k...@Gevlon said...<br /><br /> <i> @Anonymous: but I can still kill their questgivers, flightmasters and auctioneers, /spit on them, kill their named quest monsters.</i><br /><br />Blizzard did try that with the disaster that was dishonorable kills. The trouble was that it wound up being even more of a griefing tool since anyone that joined a raid group was in danger of having their rating obliterated and destroying several weeks of honor grinding. Since then, they've mostly ignored world pvp outside of adding hubs like halaa, WG and Tol Barad that are essentially outdoor BGs.<br /><br />The thing about attacking towns like that is also that it exposes you to retaliation. Ganking someone then leaving/stealthing, only to return at some arbitrary time later, is extremely difficult to fend off without spending a disproportionate amount of effort. Camping a town sends out world alerts and puts the player near flight points where geared max level players could land on their head at any moment. Even the ones that disproportionately favor certain classes like the orgrimmar or gadgetzan roofs have had npcs added, which doesn't stop the action, it just means players can't do it while staying fairly safe from any retaliation. As far as I know, GM responses hinge on the whether the phrase "pvp solution" is applicable than any griefing response and the guards for the newbie zones seem to be getting bolstered dramatically into something that will require a party of level 85s to kill.<br /><br /><i> Also, I "censored" your nonsense because I thought you are just a random illiterate, but I have to "censor" so many of you that I rather explain it to you: the 110 lvl 80 was here in August and September too and we sucked like hell. We even sucked in early October. Then on the last week of October and in November we rocked. Must be a coincidence.</i><br /><br />WG wasn't the focal point of your guild at the time, you were busy raiding ICC as progression and adjusting The PuG's raiding rules.<br /><br />Patch 4.0 came out, dramatically altering the balance of the game, as well as its reward system, and the population via people who resubscribe.<br /><br />A group of 15 prior to 4.0 had a very abysmal chance of winning, and I say this as a member of the larger faction on my server. People don't want to try if they don't feel they can have an effect on the end result. Simply inserting 5-10 people to a group of 15 and having them show up consistently dramatically alters how likely those initial 15 to influence the final win/loss result, which is a powerful effect. Apparently you "couldn't be arsed" to gather any actual data on this point and there are only vague, several week old, memories of whether The PuG's influence was any different.<br /><br />If you want to claim to be a researcher, but "CBA" to gather data or acknowledge faults in the experiment for refining future research, then you're fundamentally the same as Arthasdklol who claims to be a great player by running up to the boss and haphazardly slapping their keyboard. There's the thinnest "social" illusion to the two being the same, but none of the underlying assumptions that lend the title its normal prestige.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13155124721518150302010-11-17T19:09:49.100+01:002010-11-17T19:09:49.100+01:00First things first; Those of you saying Wintergras...First things first; Those of you saying Wintergrasp obsolete?<br /><br />Since when is Honour in any form obsolete?<br /><br />According to the wiki, I am yet to verify from a beta source that Tol Barad is 30 minutes with a 60 minute cooldown time...that's 1.5 hours.<br /><br />We all know Wintergrasp is every 2.5 hours.<br /><br />So with those figures... who says you can't do both battles except for the few times in a day those battle times will overlap?<br /><br />Honour is Honour.<br /><br />2nd;<br /><br />Can't kick people from the raid....good. Like BG system...but Who says you can't report idiots and have them removed. Or trick them "Philbert Diggsbury IV has reported you AFK, type /AFK Clear or you will be kicked out of the instance." Sure it is a dirty and low move...but it does get "those that would hinder progress" removed.<br /><br />3rd; Griefers, grow up, its the internet, they are everywhere. Get some thicker skin and simply take away their method of griefing you. Don't rez, go somewhere else, anything. Sure you shouldn't have to, they aer causing the problem. Well sometimes you have to suck it up and deal. Report it and Drive On. Adapt and overcome.<br /><br />Hell that little phrase can answer so much in WoW, all the people whining about "they nerfed mah class bro" "why can't i make golds" "What is the hit rating for a Sandwich Merchant" "what chants I get for daggers" Basically all the moronic stuff.<br /><br />It won't go away, but you can ignore it. If you want change...make it.Asparagus McGeezlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26614498115724558322010-11-17T19:08:16.456+01:002010-11-17T19:08:16.456+01:00First things first; Those of you saying Wintergras...First things first; Those of you saying Wintergrasp obsolete?<br /><br />Since when is Honour in any form obsolete?<br /><br />According to the wiki, I am yet to verify from a beta source that Tol Barad is 30 minutes with a 60 minute cooldown time...that's 1.5 hours.<br /><br />We all know Wintergrasp is every 2.5 hours.<br /><br />So with those figures... who says you can't do both battles except for the few times in a day those battle times will overlap?<br /><br />Honour is Honour.<br /><br />2nd;<br /><br />Can't kick people from the raid....good. Like BG system...but Who says you can't report idiots and have them removed. Or trick them "Philbert Diggsbury IV has reported you AFK, type /AFK Clear or you will be kicked out of the instance." Sure it is a dirty and low move...but it does get "those that would hinder progress" removed.<br /><br />3rd; Griefers, grow up, its the internet, they are everywhere. Get some thicker skin and simply take away their method of griefing you. Don't rez, go somewhere else, anything. Sure you shouldn't have to, they aer causing the problem. Well sometimes you have to suck it up and deal. Report it and Drive On. Adapt and overcome.<br /><br />Hell that little phrase can answer so much in WoW, all the people whining about "they nerfed mah class bro" "why can't i make golds" "What is the hit rating for a Sandwich Merchant" "what chants I get for daggers" Basically all the moronic stuff.<br /><br />It won't go away, but you can ignore it. If you want change...make it.Asparagus McGeezlesnoreply@blogger.com