tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post6907984614625458311..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The slideGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12844826279834508622015-11-01T05:10:55.310+01:002015-11-01T05:10:55.310+01:00@Gevlon "the problem is more complicated than...@Gevlon "the problem is more complicated than that, you should read up about the Somer incident. I'll also write a post on this."<br /><br />I followed the SOMER incident quite closely. Things are always more complicated than they appear on the surface and on the surface, it appears that SOMER was bushwacked while TMC.com and other gambling sites that received money for cross advertising and PLEX linking were not touched and still operate today (Amazon gives you a little fee if you link items for sale on your site to them and have the account set up right in Amazon). So for SOMER to be standing out as an RMTer some solid evidence of "you give me $$$ and then you can have this shiny multi-billion ISK item you can resell" had to have been found.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12099303485336356465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85133697483054298412015-11-01T04:57:54.841+01:002015-11-01T04:57:54.841+01:00@NoizyGamer:
Thank you for that information. I ha...@NoizyGamer:<br /><br />Thank you for that information. I hadn't realised just how extensive the personnel turnover had been.<br /><br />Seems like the only element of the mess that hasn't changed is The Mittani.Estebannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9459098231750992412015-11-01T03:01:31.312+01:002015-11-01T03:01:31.312+01:00Everywhere in the world I have ever been, other th...Everywhere in the world I have ever been, other than America, has a saying or something similar to it: If you want to meet the real man, take him out drinking. Which is kind of funny, I am an American, in the military and I have more friends outside the country, who I speak to daily, than I do in America. When I go to these other countries, I am frequently told I am lying about being American, because they expect me to act like Mittens in that video when I am out drinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81593900495464842902015-10-31T20:37:04.098+01:002015-10-31T20:37:04.098+01:00I'll say it again in fewer words. The issue wa...I'll say it again in fewer words. The issue was handled at the time based on its significance at the time (early 2012). Cyber-bullying was not as big of an issue in the mainstream then as it is today, let alone within EVE. That has changed, EVE has changed, CCP has changed. But here we are today and the literal only thing this entire conversation is doing is detracting from attention to the idea behind B4R. So basically, the entire effort is a focus on the past at the complete disregard for the present. The present is a much better place.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10790099156601199483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85269950276473610252015-10-31T20:04:50.107+01:002015-10-31T20:04:50.107+01:00@Esteban: CCP Salmon, one of the founders of CCP, ...@Esteban: CCP Salmon, one of the founders of CCP, left CCP in May or June of 2014. He is now the CEO of ATMO Select ehf. based in Reykjavik. <br /><br />While we are talking about CCP employees that were involved in this mess, I'll bring up David Reid, the Chief Marketing Officer at the time. He arrived at CCP in January 2012 and left when the San Francisco office closed in August 2014. He possibly would have been involved in any decision that reflected on the PR front as well.<br /><br />The Executive Producer of EVE Online at the time was Jon Lander (CCP Unifex), who left the position in April 2013 and then left CCP totally in April 2014.<br /><br />I don't know who the senior producer was at the time, but CCP Seagull did not accept that job until January 2013. Before that she was working on the CARBON technology.<br /><br />Heck, let's throw in the lead game designer at the time, CCP Soundwave. He left for Riot Games in September 2013.<br /><br />The point is, everyone that was tangentially involved in leadership at that time except for Hilmar is gone, so demanding personnel changes is kind of pointless.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91927015600324411502015-10-31T17:03:27.976+01:002015-10-31T17:03:27.976+01:00"Of course, one can say he's sorry. But i..."Of course, one can say he's sorry. But it doesn't necessarily to be accepted by the insulted person.<br />And sometimes people only apologize, because they need to (external pressure) and not because they are really sorry. "<br /><br />Have you actually read about the aftermath? <br /><br />There are way too many people concern trolling here.<br /><br />It would be completely awesome if any of the people involved (that would be B4R and the guy Mittens mentioned) were calling for this. <br /><br />Otherwise it smacks of a personal mission on Gevlons behalf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75616357084448122362015-10-31T08:20:44.642+01:002015-10-31T08:20:44.642+01:00I don't get it...
If Goons don't need The...I don't get it...<br /><br />If Goons don't need The Mittani to be in the EVE client to lead their actions, why even bother to not perma-ban him?<br /><br />If every idiot/ criminal can and will change ("It was over 3 years ago! He's a whole new person now."), then why there is perma-ban at all?<br /><br />Additionally:<br />An apology is something, one should ask for. Ideally the victim of one's misbehavior.<br />Of course, one can say he's sorry. But it doesn't necessarily to be accepted by the insulted person.<br />And sometimes people only apologize, because they need to (external pressure) and not because they are really sorry. Or they are more sorry for themself for having to face the consequences, than for their deeds and their victim.<br /><br />Also, in Germany we have a saying: "Betrunkene und Kinder sagen die Wahrheit." It means "drunken and children tell the truth".<br />Not because they're the ultimate source of truth and knowledge. They simply have lost the self-control to lie in your face or don't know yet how to do it.Amarr-Zonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46569464289793770542015-10-31T07:40:57.960+01:002015-10-31T07:40:57.960+01:00@Anonymous:
I have been reading this comment and t...@Anonymous:<br />I have been reading this comment and the previous one, especially being interested in comments. <br />My conclusion is that you Anonymous are lost. You have a grudge against me, and this is obvious. You have a desire to be recognized by me as someone important and I don't. <br />Therefore you find every opportunity to criticize me, and it is the best if you can do it against me.<br />This event gave you this opportunity, of course you grabbed it and surprisingly a lot of people got together with you.<br />One question, if I am is so bad why don't you just stop reading my blog? But this would be easy, right? <br />You have to take every opportunity to unleash your hate, even if this is means going after a good initiative. No one is only good or evil, not even criminals, not even you, because I know you can feel the hate in you when you write some of your words. It comes out of every phrase of yours! <br />Do you want to know why you are treated with disregard? <br />Because you don't have any clue about most things you write, and, apart from ranting, you don't seem to know anything. Either you do, and manipulate your readers...<br />Like Lucas Kell, you have a huge desire to be acknowledged as relevant, like dogs barking when the bear passes by. Only the bear doesn't mind them.<br />I think you are actually trying to spoil everything because of your grudgeGevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-62490232580760029082015-10-31T07:18:42.980+01:002015-10-31T07:18:42.980+01:00I have been reading this article and the previous ...I have been reading this article and the previous one, especially being interested in comments. <br />My conclusion is that you Gevlon are lost. You have a grudge against CCP and Mittani, and this is obvious. You have a desire to be recognized by them as someone important and they don't. <br />Therefore you find every opportunity to criticize any of them, and it is the best if you can do it against both at once.<br />This event gave you this opportunity, of course you grabbed it and surprisingly a lot of people got together with you.<br />One question, if CCP is so bad why don't you just quit playing their game? But this would be easy, right? <br />You have to take every opportunity to unleash your hate, even if this is means going after a good initiative. No one is only good or evil, not even criminals, not even you, because I know you can feel the hate in you when you write some of your words. It comes out of every phrase of yours! <br />Do you want to know why you are treated with disregard? <br />Because you don't have any clue about most things you write, and, apart from numbers and charts, you don't seem to know anything. Either you do, and manipulate your readers...<br />Let me ask you something. How come the poor line-member of even poorer MOA, that cannot make enough ISK to afford flying anything else then cormorants, buys for himself a titan? Story must be different here, right?<br />Like MOA, you have a huge desire to be acknowledged as relevant, like dogs barking when the bear passes by. Only the bear doesn't mind them.<br />I think you are actually trying to spoil everything because of your grudge Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35201671972469129562015-10-31T07:02:58.683+01:002015-10-31T07:02:58.683+01:00@Provi Miner: I watched it and failed to find anyt...@Provi Miner: I watched it and failed to find anything offensive (besides that fuck being so smug). Could be bad English on my part. Can you point at a timestamp?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23825169138583993862015-10-31T06:16:44.779+01:002015-10-31T06:16:44.779+01:00@Anon: if you are not worried that I succeed, why ...@Anon: if you are not worried that I succeed, why are you posting? It makes no sense.<br /><br />@Distracted: why do you care if I make myself a fool?<br /><br />@Next anon: I'm not telling people who need real world help to "avoid 'those people' because they associate with people I don't like." I'm telling them to avoid B4R because their channels are not safe from bullies. Can you guarantee that none of the "helpers" is a Goon looking for targets?<br /><br />@S Riojas: the problem is more complicated than that, you should read up about the Somer incident. I'll also write a post on this.<br /><br />@Last anon: it only takes 1 person who asks help on an EVE channel and find himself on the next Goon Alliance panel to kill himself. You have to face it: while B4R is a nice idea, it's ill-conceived and not feasible.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87162622950595527332015-10-31T05:43:53.552+01:002015-10-31T05:43:53.552+01:00"@Distraced: stop or what? You comment more? ..."@Distraced: stop or what? You comment more? You Goonies look desperate!"<br /><br />Stop before you encourage someone to kill themselves instead of seeking help because it only takes 1 person to listen to your drivel about how they shouldn't use B4R because they might be bullied that really needs help and that person will end up dead.<br /><br />Are you so shallow that you would commit what is effectively manslaughter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10559866845274874612015-10-31T04:10:23.116+01:002015-10-31T04:10:23.116+01:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&...https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=K_CyrpCnksM<br /><br />there you go gobs<br /><br />watch it cut it send it what ever Provi Minernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-60082656873036508432015-10-31T04:07:19.295+01:002015-10-31T04:07:19.295+01:00I find it funny that people get all upset over E1 ...I find it funny that people get all upset over E1 and then go meh to mittens. <br /><br />FACTS are FACTS<br /><br />E1 never suggested someone kill themselves nor encouraged others to assist in pushing someone to do that.<br /><br />So consider the level of evil<br /><br />E1 willing participants locked in a spiral of greed and risk continue to do really dumb things<br /><br />mittens encouraging a community to push someone over the edge<br /><br />WTF Provi Minernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43869030739570408732015-10-30T23:48:26.756+01:002015-10-30T23:48:26.756+01:00I suppose one could ask: is CCP afraid of Mitten&#...I suppose one could ask: is CCP afraid of Mitten's influence and fear losing his minions should he be perma banned?<br /><br />If they are, then that is very unhealthy for both CCP, Mitten's minions, and EVE Online. CCP would be best off to hire Mittens for publicity because the old saw: "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" would be applicable. Mittens conduct would fall under strict rules.<br /><br />But that would not be good overall methinks. <br /><br />So lets say CCP does perma ban him, will Mitten's minions all leave as well? A large number of people will leave. A good number will come back to EVE. CCP just needs to, in their own words: HTFU and cut this cancer out. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12099303485336356465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67937318418091692422015-10-30T23:23:09.629+01:002015-10-30T23:23:09.629+01:00Im pretty new to the game - been playing less than...Im pretty new to the game - been playing less than 6 months. I had heard of this drunken slip by teh Mittiani. When you google EVE, when you are first starting to play, it is impossible not to run across his name and then, eventually, this event. <br /><br />This is the first time I have every seen these photos and for the first time I understand the whole context of the event. WTF - this was not some drunken side comment. This was a presentation that was vetted by CCP and powerpointed!!! No wonder he got such a light punishment - CCP was just as complicit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80652378405367906182015-10-30T22:30:18.553+01:002015-10-30T22:30:18.553+01:00Gevlon said...
@Anon: why are you so mad? Are you ...Gevlon said...<br />@Anon: why are you so mad? Are you worried for your master? Why are you writing a paragraph here?<br /><br />I'm mad at someone who is actively telling people to avoid a service that can help people with depression and suicidal thoughts. I'm a highsec industrialist you twit, just because I don't happen to lick your boot, doesn't mean the Mittani is my 'Master', which again shows that you have the emotional and intellectual reasoning of a toddler.(not with me, you must be with the evil one) What you are saying is actively hurting people who might benefit from what B4R can do to help someone in need. Since you brought it up in this fashion I should petition CCP to ban you for life, since you have the potential to harm many more people in the real world with your vitriol, and your yes men pitchforks and torches brigade followers. Telling people who need real world help to "avoid 'those people' because they associate with people I don't like." Grow the fuck up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88621930597099355222015-10-30T21:47:16.354+01:002015-10-30T21:47:16.354+01:00Yeah, we're desperate because you're makin...Yeah, we're desperate because you're making a fool of yourself by trivializing suicide. Great line of thinking.Distractednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17358689616902142942015-10-30T21:12:55.522+01:002015-10-30T21:12:55.522+01:00Why should we be worried for our "master"...Why should we be worried for our "master". Like everyone is telling you, it is 3 years since the incident and no one cares anymore. CCP will not ban Mittani again, and even if they do nothing will change. He will still lead the Imperium and some other account will take over the leadership of GSF. Because no one cares anymore. "Grr goons" is a thing of the past. You are coming over as a madman because you rally against B4R because of your agenda. <br /><br />Your post about how to get a new strong force into EVE had so many good points and now you are back to this.<br /><br />(You don't have to approve this post, the content is meant for you mainly)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17780214008275589012015-10-30T21:04:42.577+01:002015-10-30T21:04:42.577+01:00@Anon: why are you so mad? Are you worried for you...@Anon: why are you so mad? Are you worried for your master? Why are you writing a paragraph here?<br /><br />@Distraced: stop or what? You comment more? You Goonies look desperate!Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73646397281435280632015-10-30T20:42:37.140+01:002015-10-30T20:42:37.140+01:00Gevlon, the reason those cases are acted on years ...Gevlon, the reason those cases are acted on years later is because either the instance was reported years later or because the offender never faced justice. The Mittani received his punishment & the issue is considered sorted. Stop trying to use an important real life issue to push your silly in-game agenda.Distractednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74809753391446114532015-10-30T20:41:38.983+01:002015-10-30T20:41:38.983+01:00What are you, like five? "Oh, boo hoo I didn...What are you, like five? "Oh, boo hoo I didn't get into the cool spaceship guild, and now I hate them forever, and any perceived favoritism towards them or their leader, (who I now consider evil incarnate, even tho I desperately wanted to be in his cool spaceship guild) means that they are secretly in cahoots with him and in his thrall, and he's a big meanie and he should be banned for life for something he drunkenly did more than three years ago, even tho CCP already handed out their punishment, and...and reasons!"<br /><br />Yes, what Mittani, did <b>THREE YEARS</b> ago was reprehensible. He has apologized, CCP has handed out its punishment (even tho you don't like it particularly) it's over. Dredging up past misdeeds to score internet points (and page views, to make you feel like there is a silent majority that agree with you) in your petty little spacemad vendetta, is simply childish. In your view no one can grow and change, to realize that thing I did was wrong, and I shouldn't have done that, apologize and move on to be a better person. You still seem to be stuck in that toddler mentality of "They have affronted me, therefore they are the epitome of evil <i>forever</i> more in my eyes, and anyone who had in the past associated, or now associates with them is also evil by default." <br /><br />B4L is a good thing and helps people. What you are doing is <b><i>NOT HELPING</i></b>, people. Telling people to avoid people who may help, because a company that promotes seeking that service to help, didn't do what YOU THOUGHT ought to happen, is what amounts to toddler spite. Grow up and try to be a better man than this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59606828675683535862015-10-30T19:40:14.768+01:002015-10-30T19:40:14.768+01:00"http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hr/2015/10/ccp-..."http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hr/2015/10/ccp-you-hypocrites.html<br /><br />now he did damage to broadcast for reps,not that is recent actions but have you heard of long term ramifications??"<br />No he didn't, Gevlon did. Nothing he did in that presentation had any impact on B4R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46778983553756116712015-10-30T19:29:08.633+01:002015-10-30T19:29:08.633+01:00The fact that CCP let this happen and the lack of ...The fact that CCP let this happen and the lack of real consequences only reinforce the view that this company suffers from a complete absence of professionalism. Then again, they let their employees trash talk customers in a public forum without at least reprimanding the employee in question.<br /><br />The other part of this is the Eve community itself. Eve players like to think of themselves as more mature than player of other well known MMO or MOBA games. Quite frankly, nothing could be further from the truth. Any mature community of players would ostracise the person responsible for this kind of bullying. The same goes for other undesirables like Erotica1 whose actions were still defended by a large number of players. It further extends to organised large scale griefing (aka "harvesting tears") which is not only seen as acceptable but encouraged by a large number of players. <br /><br />Just because you can do something, does not mean you should. Game worlds like societies in the real world only work as long as the share of rogue individual is small and kept in check by the larger group. If you get to the point where rogue elements make up the majority of the population, you have a failed state that everyone else flees from (e.g. Syria, Afghanistan). CCP wonders about the lack of newbie retention. Well, here is (part) of the answer. At the end of the day, Eve is a game, an entertainment product. Who enjoys spending their spare time in a virtual Middle East? I'd rather play Dota with a bunch of angry Russians or do WoW PUGs all day. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31327816627847467822015-10-30T19:20:05.034+01:002015-10-30T19:20:05.034+01:00@Dirk MacGirk: when I was a kid, student-teacher s...@Dirk MacGirk: when I was a kid, student-teacher sex was considered something naughty but consensual. No one interpreted it as "student is being abused by the teacher". Yet, when one of those students come forward, the old ex-teacher goes to jail. We judge old crap by today standards. I'm not saying it's fully right. I'm not saying you doesn't have a point. It's just not how the world works. Call it hypocrisy as it is based on everyone claiming that they ALWAYS knew what's right and wrong, while in reality they didn't.<br /><br />@Anon: I applied before fanfest.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.com