tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post6187887439742968006..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Newbie income IS the newbie experienceGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65047861733867012022012-12-12T01:43:30.370+01:002012-12-12T01:43:30.370+01:00Other than the fact that you personally wouldn'...Other than the fact that you personally wouldn't fly a ship that expensive, what specifically is wrong with MasL's fit? It's borderline cookie cutter fit for a Mach used in the situations that MasL did.Celery Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46336472484761774612012-12-11T03:04:18.103+01:002012-12-11T03:04:18.103+01:00I love the idea about the wh missions!
From day 1 ...I love the idea about the wh missions!<br />From day 1 i wanted to go explore but was so scared and clueless i instead grinded lvl2s and started mining and nearly lost interest after nearly a month of that.... never went exploring or into wh space, because i never knew i could.<br /><br />In hindsight i know it would have been easy! Or just go do highsec exploring for a bit of money, heck i never found out that theres actual DED sites and stuff to find and earn some isk.<br /><br />Eve is weird in that regard, your really screwd if you dont get over that cliff. And i wouldnt call it a learning cliff, without any hints its more a you didnt google it cliff. Which really shouldnt be there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32092405781814864502012-12-11T01:33:35.124+01:002012-12-11T01:33:35.124+01:00You do realize that having 60bil kills all by your...You do realize that having 60bil kills all by yourself rather than in a blob display a lot more time and effort put in the task right ? Damn, to survive so long it does take serious skills.Debra Taonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79032829633423755332012-12-10T23:13:32.672+01:002012-12-10T23:13:32.672+01:00If only there would be natural shield tanked dread...<i>If only there would be natural shield tanked dreads in the game people could use in shield wormholes...</i><br /><br />If only there was a shield dread that wasn't terrible at projecting damage. The moros is the king of damage in wormholes, and a shield moros in a C6 pulsar will still carry a very respectable tank. This kind of setup is not uncommon in pulsar fleets, both for PvE and PvP.<br /><br /><i>The Phoenix does higher damage than the Moros with way superior shield tank. It can't track or hit anything moving or small, that's true. But sieged shield Moroses are big enough to be obliterated by Phoenixes.</i><br /><br />No, it just doesn't. The DPS is no where near what a moros can put down. Alpha isn't everything, and isn't anything if you cannot hit your targets. Properly supported the Moros would be fine in your above situation, and would be sporting 2 phoenix kill mails.<br /><br /><i><br />Also, triaged carriers can't speed tank, non-triaged carries don't make much trouble.</i><br /><br />The speed tank comment was meant as an absurd commentary on how terrible citadels are.<br /><br />In small gang stuff though, non-triaged carriers are trouble - they are usually being repped by their triage partner, or are part of an RR pantheon carrier group - either is exceptionally hard to break, which is why the triaged carrier is usually primary (drop his capacitor and then burn through his buffer before he exits triage).<br /><br /><i>Everyone and his mom has more than 60B in kills, thanks to our wonderful killboard giving the kill value to everyone who was on the kill. Hell if I bothered to put combat drones to my guardian, I'd be over 200B kills already. </i><br /><br />The point is that he has 60b kills in a (near) <b>solo</b> mach. He isn't sitting in a giant blob where the FC randomly choses someone to die and anyone who F1's at the right time gets the mail. He is hunting people by himself, using an alt in an arazu for tackle. His fit is completely fine, if a little rich for my blood.<br /><br />You of all people should appreciate things like this - someone with the wealth to fly something insanely expensive in order to get the last couple of % over his enemies.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12385115048730722852012-12-10T21:37:40.470+01:002012-12-10T21:37:40.470+01:00The Phoenix does higher damage than the Moros with...The Phoenix does higher damage than the Moros with way superior shield tank. It can't track or hit anything moving or small, that's true. But sieged shield Moroses are big enough to be obliterated by Phoenixes.<br /><br />Also, triaged carriers can't speed tank, non-triaged carries don't make much trouble.<br /><br />Everyone and his mom has more than 60B in kills, thanks to our wonderful killboard giving the kill value to everyone who was on the kill. Hell if I bothered to put combat drones to my guardian, I'd be over 200B kills already. Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-37029238683184101132012-12-10T21:34:00.523+01:002012-12-10T21:34:00.523+01:00Considering a Levi is a Titan I would hope it coul...Considering a Levi is a Titan I would hope it could have it's way with a Moros, as for a Phoenix however it's not so great. <br /><br />Most combat capital pilots are armor tankers for various reasons (No shield version of the EAMN or until recently high meta invuln fields, smaller sig radius, etc.) But If you have billions of isk and want to waste 6-8 months training all the battleships to 5 and then train the individual carrier and dreadought skills be my guest.Urziel99noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-44774152697980077832012-12-10T20:50:15.711+01:002012-12-10T20:50:15.711+01:00If only natural shield tanked dreads didn't ha...If only natural shield tanked dreads didn't have awful DPS because citadel missiles can be speed tanked in a carrier. And yeah that mach fit killed 60+ billion before it went down the first time so even after the second loss he's still rocking it.TheOneNitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14489028650908908192012-12-10T20:24:35.704+01:002012-12-10T20:24:35.704+01:00They don't spit out the damage that a Moros do...They don't spit out the damage that a Moros does. Even with the better tank they don't touch the Moros' DPS.<br /><br />Shield tanking gallente ships is a regular and normal action. Many of them fit the tanks incredibly well and turn into very versatile ships.<br /><br />The Mach fit still isn't bad.Sugar Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437978687639772023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79559357958952283772012-12-10T20:08:51.532+01:002012-12-10T20:08:51.532+01:004 dreads.
Phoenix is a joke, can't damage any...4 dreads.<br /><br />Phoenix is a joke, can't damage anything under a PoS size.<br /><br />Naglfar is worse than a Phoenix.<br /><br />Revelation uses lasers and is woefully vulnerable to cap warfare, doubly so in a c6 (reduced cap regen).<br /><br />Moros is your best bet. A blinged out moros isn't, but the concept of shield moros is well known in the art of c6 pulsar combat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41963510061243475672012-12-10T20:01:49.859+01:002012-12-10T20:01:49.859+01:00A very insightful post.I've always found the n...A very insightful post.I've always found the notion of a "newbie income fountain" that somehow veterans don't exploit self-contradictory, especially in EVE.The best thing a newbie can do is start playing the multiplayer game as soon as possible, be it as a hauler on a badger or a tackler in a rifter; the important thing is to interact with other players.<br /><br />About the newbie combat agents: back in Guildwars there was a pvp training island. At some point the bots there were given actual top team skill combos. I see EVE devs shyly toying with the same idea for years, first with sleepers, then with incursions, and maybe now with the new FW npcs, but we've yet to see npc fleet that tries to emulate a player fleet, from hulls to tactics. It's really not that hard to do and consider the alternative. At the moment the newbie combat agent won't even teach you the basics of surviving in high sec, let alone something more useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-65846986830221757642012-12-10T16:06:07.934+01:002012-12-10T16:06:07.934+01:00If only there would be natural shield tanked dread...If only there would be natural shield tanked dreads in the game people could use in shield wormholes...Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84480165612126851622012-12-10T15:49:32.346+01:002012-12-10T15:49:32.346+01:00The shield tanked moros was last in a c6 pulsar. c...The shield tanked moros was last in a c6 pulsar. c6 pulsars double the strength of a shield tank, as well as halve your armor resists.<br /><br />In pulsars shield tanked moros's can hit like an insane truck and tank quite a bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52419685532416395422012-12-10T09:35:57.900+01:002012-12-10T09:35:57.900+01:00Looking at tutorial missions in isolation is a mis...Looking at tutorial missions in isolation is a mistake in my opinion - there are many lvl1 missions (that don't have higher level variants) which try to teach the player some game mechanics (and a lot of lore).<br /><br />E.g. there is a 5-part lvl1 mission chain called "Fair Play" which tries to teach the rudimentary basics of gatecamping (wait at an acceleration gate for the hostile scout and kill him), ore theft (steal ore from npcs that are can mining), anti-tackle (big fight between friendly and hostile npcs your task is to kill frigates while then bigger ships blow each other up) and some other stuff I forgot about.<br /><br />CCP only started to show some serious interest into the New Player Experience with Apocrypha in 2009 (and the NPE has been majorly revamped every year since :cripes:) - before that the tutorials were very crude and the general expectation was that a new player learns the game primarily by playing it.<br /><br />Today CCP's preferred model seems to be "Do the tutorials and the SoE epic arc, join a player corporation directly afterwards, move to 0.0 and let your corp/alliance spoonfeed you with their distilled wisdom".<br /><br />But for the longest time you could count on players spending a few weeks trying a bit of everything on their own (while working on their learning and support skills) and picking up essential knowledge through their own experiences and some breadcrumbs that were strewn along the way.<br /><br />The idea that a new player must be proficient at EVE after maybe 5-10 hours of tutorials is a new one.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19250274663443423502012-12-10T07:46:16.266+01:002012-12-10T07:46:16.266+01:00Veterans who can't care less about that little...Veterans who can't care less about that little profit (or just dumb)Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-752528225180599022012-12-10T07:40:03.001+01:002012-12-10T07:40:03.001+01:00And who's producing the goods you're hauli...And who's producing the goods you're hauling?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com