tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post6086223344855463595..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Warehouse system for the New OrderGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14952342817173513852013-02-05T06:37:25.400+01:002013-02-05T06:37:25.400+01:00[quote = Gevlon]
if one whines, I tell him to get ...[quote = Gevlon]<br />if one whines, I tell him to get hulls himself if he prefers.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That's fair enougn.<br /><br />The consequences can be the following.<br /><br />a) Knight realises that hulls really cost that much to get in that backwater and looks for ways to make them cheaper, ultimately supplying his own hull to the system below your price.<br />b) The Knight sucks up the cost by buying your hull, Feels somewhat cheated.<br />c) Knight doesn't get himself a hull at all, is unable to participate in Order activities in the system, is pretty disappointed.<br /><br />In my experience, scenario (a) happens rarely, if ever. Scenarios (b) and (c) are equally likely.<br /><br />Now, as an asocial, you can, of course, say that you don't give a damn about feelings of people. <br /><br />Thing is, though, the Order is ultimately a social organisation and is built on feelings. The whole "Happy Miner vs Machine" story is a vehicle for that.<br /><br />The damage to the Order from scenarios (b) and (c) makes people associate personal bad feelings with the Order. To a social organisation, this is true damage and will manifest further down the line.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285916605762869349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20168838725715521572013-02-02T19:53:56.253+01:002013-02-02T19:53:56.253+01:00@Maxim
'Gevlon is not asking market price, he ...@Maxim<br />'Gevlon is not asking market price, he is asking 30% above market price.'<br />No he is offering the market price. If noone is willing to sell cheaper then it is the market price. In fact he probably should be raising his price. By holding at a specific price he may actually discourage a real market from forming by selling at too cheap a price discouraging people from supplying the market.Bobbinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20079840671604534252013-02-02T15:33:54.163+01:002013-02-02T15:33:54.163+01:00@Maxim: if one whines, I tell him to get hulls him...@Maxim: if one whines, I tell him to get hulls himself if he prefers. Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74655749871801503642013-02-02T14:21:15.813+01:002013-02-02T14:21:15.813+01:00From what i gather, Gevlon hopes he will get under...From what i gather, Gevlon hopes he will get undercut, but it won't necessarily happen.<br /><br />If it doesn't happen, then suddenly Knights find themselves in a position where in order to participate in New Order activities, they need to buy stuff from New Order (for the sake of which Gevlon is acting at the moment) at above market price. This may lead to people feeling scammed.<br />"They told us to go there, and then they sold us stuff at 0.6mill more WTF!"<br /><br />I am not saying that people should get hull for free. Whomever provides people the hull should receive the market price of the hull. However, Gevlon is not asking market price, he is asking 30% above market price.<br /><br />If Knights feel that Gevlon providing convenient access to hulls is worth the markup (and therefore that market price for hulls in a specific local market is really 30% larger), more power to everyone.<br /><br />Are we certain that Knights will feel that, though?<br /><br />Gevlon's goal here appears to be not ISK, but rather well-being and development of the Order.<br /><br />I understand his tactic, and just pointing out that it might backfire, if Knights feel that they are being unfairly taken advantage of by 30% markup.<br /><br />If that starts happening, a good way to deal with it would be saying: "yes, i need to make the 30% markup to supply hulls in inconvenient places. But look, i'm not just pocketing these money. Instead, i'm using these money that you spent for the sake of the Order to further Order's cause in this and that way".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285916605762869349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76225189691398665492013-02-02T10:58:40.246+01:002013-02-02T10:58:40.246+01:00@Maxim
If hulls were sold at near cost they could ...@Maxim<br />If hulls were sold at near cost they could and would be instantly bought out. By setting a ceiling price it makes this unlikely as the buyer would incurr losses. The way Gevlon has structured it is that he is relying on people to undercut him and supply the market. If people consistantly buy at his price his model will have failed.<br />Gevlon is trying to kick start the market and markets required people to make profit to operate. If you believe people should do things for free then I think you should start reading some other blog. That said Gevlon supplying the market is not optimal as he can make more isk/hr through trading. So basically he is giving his time for free foregoing alot of isk he could have earnt.<br />Correct me if i'm wrong.Bobbinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-77145781399888733872013-02-02T08:29:04.267+01:002013-02-02T08:29:04.267+01:00So essentially you are saying that Knights are goi...So essentially you are saying that Knights are going to create demand for hulls, and in order to make traders aware of this demand, you yourself are going to list hulls at a slightly larger price.<br /><br />First question. Given current 1.9M cost and 30% markup, it is a reasonable estimate that every time a Knight buys a hull from you, he loses 570k ISK. Now, obviously these money are not lost completely to the New Order as they go back to you, hopefully to finance more New Order operations. <br /><br />There are two interesting questions here.<br /><br />Question 1 - Exactly how much is 570k ISK to a Knight in terms of opportunity costs? If a Knight finds himself in a position where he to buy your hull, won't he feel ripped off?<br />Question 2 - In cases where Knights DO buy your hulls, what are you going to do with the profit?<br /><br />Another interesting consideration is this. As New Order grows, the amount of time and effort needed to manage the economy behind it is going to increase. That means that you'll have to hire help. How much you think this help would be worth? How are you going to make sure that this help is not going to sabotage the entire operation?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285916605762869349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51949142101712023552013-02-02T07:19:51.134+01:002013-02-02T07:19:51.134+01:00"that would mean others took this not really ..."that would mean others took this not really profitable - yet essential - duty from me."<br /><br />Welcome to the wonderful world of EVE logistics! How does it feel to be an "enabler"? Oh, and next time you log in, check out the second medal of "Crias Taylor".Steel H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02051764931456770746noreply@blogger.com