tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post5858047019488170417..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The RvB failureGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54698279661558195312014-01-21T01:46:49.921+01:002014-01-21T01:46:49.921+01:00To the ex-RvB member corp kicker: You do not unde...To the ex-RvB member corp kicker: You do not understand the nature of the relationship between RvB and the goons, *at all*.<br /><br />You may be aware that this Saturday, while the HED battle raged, a second large scale battle happened, for Ganked 100. RvB and friends showed up with capitals and hundreds of subcap for a "roam". At one point, about 1200 people were in system. <br /><br />Once this was over, you know what the remnant of the fleet did? They headed to HED and blew up *CFC* dominixes, just for fun. Does this sound like the RvB and Goons are allies? No, we have an understanding, that is all. <br /><br />LRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8119433617344897542014-01-19T12:45:31.893+01:002014-01-19T12:45:31.893+01:00have u considered calling out a bounty for specifi...have u considered calling out a bounty for specific things?<br />like first lemming taking down a goon poco receives x (not too much to avoid goons killing their own pocos) isk.<br />and other stuff.danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56142260903170849772014-01-19T10:08:26.522+01:002014-01-19T10:08:26.522+01:00This is the wrong narrative. The correct narrative...This is the wrong narrative. The correct narrative is that Lemmings now offer a lot more easy targets in high sec. So if people want to join a corp that offers easily available small gang and solo pvp, join Lemmings. The corp just got a lot more fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83493760859531789152014-01-19T05:41:49.350+01:002014-01-19T05:41:49.350+01:00I actually find a bit laughable that the RvB party...I actually find a bit laughable that the RvB party line is something along the lines of "we join for the good fights" and not to "honor our pact with Goons" while saying Goons need no help. If that was the case there are a shit-load of wars to join in on. I had RvB pinned as much more in it for the fun and not giving a crap for poletics. Dissapoint.Smithhttp://imgur.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76559497009930462732014-01-19T04:30:34.420+01:002014-01-19T04:30:34.420+01:00I can not have someone talk to an rvb buddy who th...<i>I can not have someone talk to an rvb buddy who then feeds Intel about us to the largest menace in new eden.<br />That's sad but the reality we play in.</i><br /><br />1. DON'T trust anybody. EVER!<br />2. DON'T fly what you can't afford.<br /><br />please read up on OPSEC and apply it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_security<br /><br />you don't need loyality if you (as lead) yourself can keep you mouth/info/chat/forum shut.<br /><br />therefore<br /><br />3. what ever you disclose, WILL be used against you.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88305928861615160482014-01-19T00:06:43.872+01:002014-01-19T00:06:43.872+01:00I removed those members from my Corp, since goons ...<i>I removed those members from my Corp, since goons can not be trusted.</i><br />Goons have a very good record of being trusted on political and diplomatic matters. Sure individual goons can't be trusted but the goon organization has very strict rules about the group being trustworthy. If they couldn't be trustworthy, they couldn't wield the political might they currently do.<br /><br /><i> Everyone working with goons is a good by association. Goons don't just side with their "partners" they usually have a good amount of goons join the "partners", and overtake them culturally.</i><br /><br />Lol. If this is your thinking you have to exclude pretty much anyone in eve. Most people have in one way or another associated with goons. As for overtaking culturally - this absolutely does not happen. The CFC is made up of many many cultures (some of them in direct conflict with goon culture).<br /><br /><i>I can not and will not take the risk of having someone of dodgy loyalty in my Corp. I can not have someone talk to an rvb buddy who then feeds Intel about us to the largest menace in new eden.</i><br /><br />A few problems here. Firstly the people you have kicked out had no decision making power here. They were not even in RvB when the RvBees as worked out.<br /><br />Secondly you seem to believe you actually HAVE intel worth passing on to goons.<br /><i><br />That's sad but the reality we play in. </i><br /><br />Only if your goonhate is so strong that you make silly decisions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3677229084180258462014-01-18T11:18:24.722+01:002014-01-18T11:18:24.722+01:00> I agree with Professor Clio -- that RvB is in...> I agree with Professor Clio -- that RvB is in it for the goodfights and will drop after a short number of weeks. Why? Because the RvB membership doesn't want to be locked out of Jita for that long. So...<br /><br />RvB leadership has every incentive to keep RvB locked out of Jita (as they do a lot of the HQ market seeding) and RvB membership has grown used to it long ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52813293959992410192014-01-18T10:19:13.891+01:002014-01-18T10:19:13.891+01:00I removed those members from my Corp, since goons...I removed those members from my Corp, since goons can not be trusted. Everyone working with goons is a good by association. Goons don't just side with their "partners" they usually have a good amount of goons join the "partners", and overtake them culturally.<br />I can not and will not take the risk of having someone of dodgy loyalty in my Corp. I can not have someone talk to an rvb buddy who then feeds Intel about us to the largest menace in new eden. <br />That's sad but the reality we play in. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11825824467679108382014-01-17T23:54:06.026+01:002014-01-17T23:54:06.026+01:00The logic behind this whole thing is flawed to the...The logic behind this whole thing is flawed to the core. Its ludicrous to assume that you can build an alliance of people so frothing with hate for Goons that they are willing to put up with a war that is so "un-fun" to turn away a 3000-person alliance of pure PVPers from a fight. <br /><br />I guess the other option is to just get enough numbers to blob RvB into submission which at point the promise of a good fight will probably draw the goons out from null sec. Good luck with it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70043051206487944012014-01-17T23:51:23.457+01:002014-01-17T23:51:23.457+01:00much blah.
Elephant in the room points to the obvi...much blah.<br />Elephant in the room points to the obvious -> thanks to ccp POCO change, Goons are highsec carebears now. with a heated passion.<br />I never thought I would see that day. And what ever trollbrain at CCP had the e-balls/tits to pull this of. I thank you /bow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80070309197582714592014-01-17T23:20:11.523+01:002014-01-17T23:20:11.523+01:00I just purged 14 players (about 40 characters) fro...<i>I just purged 14 players (about 40 characters) from my Corp, for their rvb history. It is really sad that I can't trust those people anymore, because they spent time within a formerly well respected group.</i><br /><br />Oh, wow, that's aggressively dumb.<br /><br />That's exactly why Goons win wars. They don't care about "goodfights." They don't even care about "carebear tears." They care about doing their own things, and letting everyone else do the hand-wringing about their antics.<br /><br />Sure, they've made some enemies along the way, but they've made friends, too. They didn't beat CCP... err... I mean... BoB by themselves. There were capital ships of many different alliances there, some "elite" some "not."<br /><br />I find it funny that you think RvB "failed." I also enjoy the fact that you didn't just join Marmite because they're "elite." Scorn with words (because after all, they should be ganking miners if they want to be elite), and keep handing them ISK for the dec, I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33913332274678060032014-01-17T22:09:15.918+01:002014-01-17T22:09:15.918+01:00We form voltron with RVB for all wardecs witrh st...We form voltron with RVB for all wardecs witrh stated objectives relating to our shared POCO empire. Hope that helps.Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207235332940546841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15207598389790374392014-01-17T21:05:04.390+01:002014-01-17T21:05:04.390+01:00RvB has been in numerous wars with 3rd party, nota...RvB has been in numerous wars with 3rd party, notably Marmite. Your notion that Jita is safe for RvB members is wrong, it often is quite risky, due to such wars.<br /><br />I have been made a bit sad by the notion that people are getting kicked for past RvB associations. RvB is working with the goons a bit but remains neutral. The temptation to troll grr goons conspiracists is strong, but it is all that it is.<br /><br />RvB welcomes everyone: N3 members, goons, carebears, pirates, we don't care. We have fun shooting each other and 3rd party targets. You want to learn PvP by jumping in the fire and not be judged for losing 10 frigates in a row? Join us. Tired of hunting for hours in lowsec or WH for a fight that might not happen? Join us. Tired of massive tdi battles? Join us.<br /><br />LR , RvB recruiter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-47924071111963145842014-01-17T20:35:26.653+01:002014-01-17T20:35:26.653+01:00The fascinating thing about Gevlon's projects ...The fascinating thing about Gevlon's projects are not the short-term impact, but instead the long-term changes in playstyles. Cornering the WoW glyph market via "deep undercutting", pointing out how Wargaming's matchmaker can subtly influence matches via starting placement, and now this.<br /><br />I agree with Professor Clio -- that RvB is in it for the goodfights and will drop after a short number of weeks. Why? Because the RvB membership doesn't want to be locked out of Jita for that long. So...<br /><br />What will GSF do then when RvB fails to live up to the terms of their agreement? Wardec RvB? Go after All The POCOs themselves? Because now that RvB has supped the sweet, sweet nectar of passive income, there's no going back. HiSec has changed forever.<br /><br />Unless CCP changes the rules again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88323044959098863802014-01-17T20:06:08.443+01:002014-01-17T20:06:08.443+01:00@Telemachus Rheade: you forget that the "RvBe...@Telemachus Rheade: you forget that the "RvBee pact" was done long before Lemmings were created. Or you made that because you knew that a few months later I'll make an alliance?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56304225835853731272014-01-17T19:46:57.568+01:002014-01-17T19:46:57.568+01:00So does the OP not understand RvB or something? We...So does the OP not understand RvB or something? We shoot each other, as well as everything else. Saying having more targets to shoot is bad for RvB members is kind of silly, because shooting targets is all they do, all day, everyday. Confirming that RvB decced for the pure tears and conspiracy theories that this Goblin guy was gonna spew on the interwebs. Thanks for the free content, in game and out ;).<br /><br />Telemachus Rheade - RvB Directornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85085259255233933832014-01-17T19:36:22.459+01:002014-01-17T19:36:22.459+01:00As a former RVB member, I can pretty much confirm ...As a former RVB member, I can pretty much confirm what Clio said, at least from the prospective of what I've seen. RVB is still very much about the "forever war" between themselves, but having steak every night can get a little tedious. Sometimes, you need a little something else. Variety of life and all that.<br /><br />Back when Zerg Overmind was propagating the war dec's, RVB was loving the fact that they had war targets and could break from the Red versus Blue and form purple. Those that chose to participate in war target hunting got their wishes filled, those that didn't could carry on with the forever war. The only time when the forever war got put on hold, was when war targets were in system. It just meant that there were more volunteers. Often times, they even waited until the war targets got on grid!<br /><br />I cannot speak of any deals that may, or may not have occured between Goons and RVB, but I can certainly see Goons asking if RVB wants a piece of DL and Marmite, and them saying "sure".<br /><br />If your comments are any indication, Marmite is missing out by booting previous RVB members. Thats some good information that their passing up.<br />Random McNallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19115315110234971102014-01-17T19:22:14.863+01:002014-01-17T19:22:14.863+01:00Convince rvb to join. Tell them they can have all ...Convince rvb to join. Tell them they can have all the pocos.<br /><br />Between that, null, and you guys. He'll, even test screwing around up there. Cfc can't be everywhere all at onceKate 'Onhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13993019414595472147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52137590779003887362014-01-17T18:35:40.213+01:002014-01-17T18:35:40.213+01:00you want fights but than don't want to fight g...<i>you want fights but than don't want to fight goons. someone please make sense.</i><br /><br />It's called politics. Goons and RvB hammered out a diplomatic arrangement to form a POCO cartel in The Forge. It allows them, for the first time in their history, to generate passive income for their alliance which goes to fund SRP and fun enabling financial projects.<br /><br />Goons and RvB realized they both could not hold the region's pocos from one and other - so rather than getting mired in a forever-war (a real one..not a lol forever-war that already existed that Marmite have brilliantly convinced gevlon is a great idea and gotten him to fund their fun) they decided it better to work together, drop a bunch of pocos, fix the tax rate and split the income.<br /><br />This has some nice mutually beneficial knock on effects. Highsec publords shoot pocos, and RvB and goons get pubbies to shoot at all day long. Tears and forum porn are also aplenty. It is totally win win.<br /><br />they have no reason to shoot each other. They are not ideologically opposed in this venture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30321149353603975962014-01-17T17:44:54.361+01:002014-01-17T17:44:54.361+01:00Professor Clio > for us it was simple, we knew ...<i>Professor Clio > for us it was simple, we knew the goons wanted highsec POCOs and we figured we could either shoot each other for weeks losing isk on both sides or split up The Forge and both profit.</i><br /><br />this would be a massive fight. maybe good fights. goons are careless anyway. so why not take highsec RvB? it is all yours. skill > numbers.<br />but instead you split the space between yourself and goons? not even trying to engage in a fight with them. are you that afraid?<br /><br />you want fights but than don't want to fight goons. someone please make sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6497270644871076562014-01-17T17:13:00.801+01:002014-01-17T17:13:00.801+01:00Not random, of course not. One that could provide ...Not random, of course not. One that could provide entertaining forum banter and would be active in the area (we're kinda lazy that way).<br /><br />So far it's been good, I haven't been able to get on any kills yet but there's been good ones. The guy who managed to lose a legion to 3 RvB members is especially funny.<br /><br />Anyway, believe what you will.Professor Cliohttp://rvbeve.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7947732151618973902014-01-17T17:04:08.069+01:002014-01-17T17:04:08.069+01:00@Professor clio: you just wanted a random third pa...@Professor clio: you just wanted a random third party war and for that you picked a 5 days old alliance.<br /><br />TOTALLY believable. Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84877757286019237542014-01-17T16:48:41.730+01:002014-01-17T16:48:41.730+01:00Couple mis conceptions I'd like to clear. Goon...Couple mis conceptions I'd like to clear. Goons didn't ask for rvbs help, its laughable to think they'd need us to keep their pocos from dying to you. We joined in because we had been without a good third party war for a while and it keeps us sharp and entertained to have one going.<br /><br />As for POCO defense its never mandatory but the last time we had one come out of reinforced (when marmite+dark home world+Noir. Got together to attack them) we asked for volunteers and got 150 guys to show up and no offense but that group of wartarget was rather more formidable that yours. <br /><br />So far the wars been great. Our guys have killed expensive lemming ships and they're relearning the important "Dont go to jita" fact of life. <br /><br />We'll probably get bored of it and withdraw the ally after two weeks and I'm sure you'll take that to mean that you've somehow defeated us but you simply Dont understand what motivates rvb line members. professor cliohttp://rvbeve.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66665364613688592942014-01-17T16:23:52.332+01:002014-01-17T16:23:52.332+01:00ohh they have "fun" defending POCOs. ara...ohh they have "fun" defending POCOs. arangement with goons. <br /><br />http://themittani.com/features/morning-forge-poco-deregulation-and-rvb?page=0%2C1<br /><br />Well ok. Gevlon you have brought the "real war" to them. if it is really their only source of ISK.<br />congratulations!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74448006959365076242014-01-17T16:08:07.380+01:002014-01-17T16:08:07.380+01:00@Babar: there is two possibilities: RvB leadership...@Babar: there is two possibilities: RvB leadership can make their members shoot/rep POCOs or they lose the mentioned POCOs. Now it is possible that there are enough volunteers in RvB to do it. If not, they have to make a CTA rule. In RvB...<br /><br />@Anonymous: Marmite is an "Elite PvP" alliance who cares about killboard efficiency. I couldn't join Marmite as I couldn't uphold good efficiency. Lemmings are called lemmings for a reason: anyone is invited, if you go and lose a Legion in Jita, no one gives a damn. So it's Marmite in goals but not in recruitment.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.com