tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post5588934456156436990..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Marmite acting suicidalGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24339865538510363302015-01-29T07:52:30.432+01:002015-01-29T07:52:30.432+01:00Well, the deadly fingertips route may be drying up...Well, the deadly fingertips route may be drying up. Their dodixie operations have effectively been shut down most of the last week and it's only a matter of time before someone gets pissed off enough to do the same to them in Jita and Amarr. Trade hub camping can only last so long when you have been losing billions of isk in ships on a daily basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91837828460159178522015-01-22T09:49:32.728+01:002015-01-22T09:49:32.728+01:00Your MCdonalds and Burger King example is wrong. Y...Your MCdonalds and Burger King example is wrong. You are no customer for them who buys Cheeseburger.<br />You are a sponsor for them to make them better/lasting longer. Putting hughe money in.<br /><br />Ofcourse their management would have something against it, if you support their direct opponent in market.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9985502237592394562015-01-22T08:02:53.193+01:002015-01-22T08:02:53.193+01:00@Dobablo: I undersand that. However Marmite REFUSE...@Dobablo: I undersand that. However Marmite REFUSES to grow, so the exclusive content they provide doesn't lead to more pilots.<br /><br />@nightgerbil: Deadly Fingertips wasn't at war with Marmite when I hired them. So there was no conflicting interest like in Noir case. If they were at war, I wouldn't have hired them. If they attacked Marmite with my contract, I'd call them scammers like Noir.<br /><br />I understand that there is rivalry, but why should I respect it? There is rivalry between McDonalds and Burger King. Does it mean you are forced to buy from only one? If you say to a McDonalds employee who offers you a cheesburger "I'm here for normal burgers, if I want cheeseburger, I go to Burger King", you are maybe impolite. But can you imagine the McDonalds manager yell at you and throw you out of the shop?<br /><br />The "Vast coalition of highsec" is something I wanted for a year. Tora refuses to hire more people because "they suck" and "they are jerks". I finally realized that everyone who is not him is either "suck" or "jerk". This means I can't get better coverage without hiring others.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78638716595082494772015-01-21T22:02:57.141+01:002015-01-21T22:02:57.141+01:00@Amyclas Amatin
If marmite were having fun and en...@Amyclas Amatin<br /><br />If marmite were having fun and enjoyed shooting CFC in highsec, despite the cost to do so, then this is still a dumb move. This is like someone who really enjoys going to amusement parks getting mad at their rich uncle for being a cheapskate because he's only covering admission costs but doesn't also pay for snacks and rides. It would be different if going to the amusement part was a chore the guy doesn't enjoy doing, but he does enjoy it, and now he gets to enjoy it less because he can no longer afford to go as often paying for everything himself. <br /><br />Shooting soft targets in highsec is marmite's reason for existence. If they don't actually enjoy doing that, then they wouldn't have picked up Gevlon's wardec costs only contract a year ago. <br /><br />Marmite got jealous and threw a tantrum, and now they get to have less targets to shoot because of it. I don't see why Gevlon has to keep humoring people like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35483144662681618892015-01-21T19:14:22.726+01:002015-01-21T19:14:22.726+01:00Im pretty sure Deadly Fingertips is the pvp corp t...Im pretty sure Deadly Fingertips is the pvp corp that broke of pursuit of happiness(?) who had/lost a war with marmite over the xmass period. http://evenews24.com/2015/01/12/blog-your-grief-our-happiness/<br /><br /> So summarise my understanding, the highsec pvp communtiy is full of rivalry, they probably aren't willing to work together as they hate each other and trying to harness their arch enemies was likely taken as a slap in the face by Tora.<br /><br /> Which you can understand right? you werent happy when noir started taking Goon money to kill you while taking your money to kill them. Toras been fighting off and on with these guys for a while and probably thought of you as "his" client. <br /><br /> Im really surprised you wouldn't have made even an attempt to soothe him, pointing out just an experiment, spin the "vast coalition of highsec" dream and reassure him hes your "guy" and your primary goto person. Literally "hes the MAN". Marmite are the biggest out there and they keep winning when they compete with the others.<br /><br /> Its like sacking Brazil as your football team, cos South Africa gave you a cheaper offer. Your chance of winning the Grr Goon cup just went down.nightgerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555431875907240808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8024892107874062402015-01-21T18:27:36.651+01:002015-01-21T18:27:36.651+01:00Gevlon do your numers take into account the hoards...Gevlon do your numers take into account the hoards of gank squads goons run. that must account for a huge percentage of their high sec losses which would sway marmite numbers. Second thing to note is that since the interceptor changes more null bears fly them as primary means of transport, and don't forget travel fit cloaky t3s, and cloaky haulers. They did get smarter........somewhatI shoot thingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86526586823788069752015-01-21T17:51:20.665+01:002015-01-21T17:51:20.665+01:00Marmite sits on trade-hub undocks with high alpha ...Marmite sits on trade-hub undocks with high alpha ships waiting for war targets. <br /><br />They make money from looting wrecks, which is more than enough to pay for the occasional lost Rupture with meta 3 guns.Xmashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10512911190985990931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1047043443687246092015-01-21T16:54:26.768+01:002015-01-21T16:54:26.768+01:00Regardless of whether 2-4% is considered big fish,...Regardless of whether 2-4% is considered big fish, it is unreasonable to request exclusivity for such a low market share. <br /><br />This is a good thing for the project because it outs another manbaby alliance leader. They are bad for business.Deginihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08373862851639064908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-68349551536961212582015-01-21T16:50:36.340+01:002015-01-21T16:50:36.340+01:00Why is Gevlon now suddenly responsible for reimbur...Why is Gevlon now suddenly responsible for reimbursing Marmite ship losses? Losses which occur during normal PvP? Actually in all wars Marmite's losses are exceptionally low - it goes with the territory of minimal-risk PvP (or as I like to call it, carebear PvP).<br /><br />Marmite can't afford to keep wars against these entities active for any appreciable length of time. Gevlon is pretty much bankrolling their content; he's paying for them to have this content, now people are whining that he should pay for their ships, too?<br /><br />Pure idiocy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67841008359977272812015-01-21T16:45:57.431+01:002015-01-21T16:45:57.431+01:00The most valuable resource in EvE is people. The e...The most valuable resource in EvE is people. The emergence of a rival wardecker group is a risk to Marmite because they could lose pilots to defections and not any impact it will have on reducing the potential number of targets.<br /><br />Your money puts Marmite in a position where they can offer unique content to their members. Any support going to a Deadly Fingertips could turn them into a viable alternative and result in Marmite losing their monopoly as the group which wardeckers have to join.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51169413185784476352015-01-21T14:55:04.253+01:002015-01-21T14:55:04.253+01:00I guess I'm not the only one that's remind...I guess I'm not the only one that's reminded of the Noir controversy. Why is it so hard to find reliable mercs?A concerned Minmatarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40748021887206212802015-01-21T14:11:41.781+01:002015-01-21T14:11:41.781+01:00@Amyclas Amatin: the PvP-ers love to PvP. The lead...@Amyclas Amatin: the PvP-ers love to PvP. The leadership must give them PvP fun. The wars allowed them to trash lot of easy targets. Sure, they had to pay for them with the small amount of lost ships, but they did so happily. They'd happily pay for the wardecs too, just couldn't afford. Hence Marmite didn't permadec before my support.<br /><br />@Anonymous: no. They didn't want raise until they heard that I wanted other mercs too. They got buttmad and wanted ISK to compensate which I didn't give them.<br /><br />It wasn't a gamble, since their wars didn't worth that much.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87257635806215955402015-01-21T11:19:12.731+01:002015-01-21T11:19:12.731+01:00The reason for the lopsided graph is Freight Club&...The reason for the lopsided graph is Freight Club's activity dropped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84150386223237788192015-01-21T10:32:15.437+01:002015-01-21T10:32:15.437+01:00You finance "war-costs", while the pvper...You finance "war-costs", while the pvpers actually finance and work to train and equip their armies. The real costs of pvp are far above what you pay. It might well be that no group can afford to or be bothered to wardec so many alliances without help, but it still costs them a great deal of time and resources to do the actual fighting.Amyclas Amatinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-48309698648766900732015-01-21T09:33:40.068+01:002015-01-21T09:33:40.068+01:00Gevlon gambled and lost.
It's like having em...Gevlon gambled and lost. <br /><br />It's like having employees in Africa. They demand a normal payment, you gamble they will keep working for you or they'll have nothing at all, they tell you to fuck off anyway, you lose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51917504176015030572015-01-21T08:23:44.108+01:002015-01-21T08:23:44.108+01:00@Maxim: I assume it's a dumb e-peen thing rath...@Maxim: I assume it's a dumb e-peen thing rather than result of a serious consideration.<br /><br />Even if they share a market and kills of Fingers significantly decrease their target pool, losing all CFC targets to no wars is clearly worse than losing some to Fingers.<br /><br />@Anonymous: <br />1: it can be true some cases. In other cases the CFC member is just dumb and expects to get lucky one more time.<br />2: the kills on a gate scales with the number of wars you have. So 2 corps with 10-10 wars will kill less than the alliance of the two with 20 wars.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76427098062681158482015-01-21T08:08:05.495+01:002015-01-21T08:08:05.495+01:00If Marmite is willing to agressively compete with ...If Marmite is willing to agressively compete with Fingers, that might mean they share a "market" of sorts, in which this direct destruction of each other appears to be an effective stratagem.<br /><br />This statement of yours makes sure that this market is not the market of your money. Which is a good thing.<br /><br />But maybe it never was a market of your money?<br /><br />I doubt CFC traffic through highsec amounts to more than a few percentages of all highsec traffic. 2-3% of highsec kills may be close to 100% of that traffic.maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8718211202077672072015-01-21T08:06:58.124+01:002015-01-21T08:06:58.124+01:00Your own statistics thus show that:
1; The threat ...Your own statistics thus show that:<br />1; The threat of marmite (or variants) is low enough that for many CFC members it is appearantly cheaper to occasionally lose a freighter to them than to use red frog/ keep a neutral alt<br />2; The reason for this is that the pool of pilots who enjoy that type of pvp is quite small and while they may move corps the actual amount doesn't increase substantially even if you (or someone else) throws money at those corps.<br /><br />My conclusion would be that therefore it doesnt matter what corp I'd finance, the end result would be the same. But I'm happy for random pvp corps that you feel differentlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8384097793283007062015-01-21T05:24:40.033+01:002015-01-21T05:24:40.033+01:00Getting 3% of the kills doesn't mean that they...Getting 3% of the kills doesn't mean that they are a small fish. It probably means they are a very big fish - unless I understand you wrong, they are one of the biggest fish out there.<br />Calling them a small fish is a little insulting to them. What they underestimate is not how big or small they are, but the size of the ocean.<br />Because even the biggest fish out there is unfathomably small when compared to the size of the ocean.<br /><br />They should realize that there is plenty of room for other fish, and that the best thing they could do against these competitors is work together for better coverage.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54232685168380026122015-01-21T03:49:35.886+01:002015-01-21T03:49:35.886+01:00Their point is not completely without merit- you f...Their point is not completely without merit- you finance a large part of the cost of these wars, but they finance the ship replacements, and if you weren't paying for the wars, they'd just have to cover the cost themselves (presumably causing a lower efficiency of their corp and wars).<br /><br />In the end, you're facilitating these wars, but aren't responsible for all the damage. Much of it would have happened if you'd kept your money, and your focusing effect is what you're really responsible for. So compare these numbers to the numbers you'd have seen if you didn't finance anything, and that's a number you can proudly (and credibly) yell from a mountain top :)<br /><br />Your point is also valid- any corp willing to wardec the goons should be able to have you finance that war, assuming they provide the results you're looking for. Basilnoreply@blogger.com