tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post5023354510749412942..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Trading in a dead economyGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55394685893166281412010-03-06T09:28:51.685+01:002010-03-06T09:28:51.685+01:00ps - cho'gall population 3 am server time.
/w...ps - cho'gall population 3 am server time.<br /><br />/who 80 = 43 allies<br />/who 1-79 = 49<br />( /who 1-50 = 25 + /who 51-79 = 24 so its a legit 49 for 1-79)Antinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81550714199375492232010-03-06T09:08:20.607+01:002010-03-06T09:08:20.607+01:00i have added to the cho'gall efforts. do we ha...i have added to the cho'gall efforts. do we have some sort of gathering point setup? a forum might be a good idea until we can get together.<br /><br />i may not pvp but i intend to help with the funding.<br /><br />i have already got 10g on my lvl 1 Horde bankalt. and have started selling single stacks of arrows. Muhahhahahaha.....let their huntards fund our efforts.<br /><br />i have dual account so once i get a bankroll (my main realm i have earned 4k just from arrow sales) i'll be able to bring supplies from Horde to Alliance AH at reasonable prices.Antinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87711273599292671882010-03-05T19:31:29.339+01:002010-03-05T19:31:29.339+01:00I have joined Cho'Gall as Meatshake.I have joined Cho'Gall as Meatshake.bionicchop2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66815616238421909182010-03-05T16:25:50.793+01:002010-03-05T16:25:50.793+01:00I, too, am steering a course for Chogall. See you...I, too, am steering a course for Chogall. See you there.Phil Ullrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17951006638649001059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34068528551628634532010-03-05T04:52:34.785+01:002010-03-05T04:52:34.785+01:00Planning to roll a character on Cho'gall this ...Planning to roll a character on Cho'gall this next week. Especially interested in the AH. Moving from a server loaded with other players and competition to such a decimated AH and server should be very interesting.<br /><br />And I love world pvp, as it actually has an impact on the "real" in game world.Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21667448931236807222010-03-05T03:24:03.437+01:002010-03-05T03:24:03.437+01:00Cho'gall (US) for those intersted in making a ...Cho'gall (US) for those intersted in making a stateside attempt. Whisper or mail Greenhell or Greyknight. Keep in mind I am not transferring any characters so i am starting broke. Wont be a guild till I create my own goblin business. Socials need not apply.Greenhellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156560878052480310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34435066206575547092010-03-05T00:53:16.664+01:002010-03-05T00:53:16.664+01:00@Gevlon: If you're trading with guildies, you&...@Gevlon: If you're trading with guildies, you're making transactions which wouldn't be affecting the AH all that much anyway. One buyer, one seller, on or off the AH doesn't make all that much difference. Except a bit of gold is saved so when you do use the AH (I'm not advocating not using it at all), that's more gold to spend, encouraging others to farm.<br /><br />I suggested it only for the early phases, when gold is tighter and the AH is still weak; to get individually or as a guild stronger before putting force into the AH. The idea isn't for small-scale items like twink gear that require joining the larger market just to get a proper sale price. It would be for the stacks and stacks of farmed trade mats while you're building up.<br /><br />There is always the risk of creating a socialist collective, but surely a guild of goblins can avoid ending up in a rut of bartering when it no longer makes sense.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69135642413321107292010-03-04T21:51:45.425+01:002010-03-04T21:51:45.425+01:00@Diorinix
I was under the impression that the aim ...@Diorinix<br />I was under the impression that the aim of the project was to gank the other side enough that they would quit and 'nation builing' was not really on their list of priorities.<br /><br />@Gevlon<br />While I agree with you in principle on the AH giving you the 'market value' for items it seems to me too much like 'nickle and diming' where it simply distracts people from the true aim of the guild (PvP ganking). <br /><br />Of course I also consider the acquisition of gold in the game to be a trivial matter since to me any non-MS can easily obtain enough gold for play purposes (ie epic flyer and repair costs but no motorcycles or other fluff) without resorting to the AH or dedicated farming. <br /><br />So an in-guild reciprocity system seems like a rather efficient way to build up a guild that is not dedicated to the acquisition of gold but more 'actiony' endevours that do not require much gold.<br /><br />PS By a 'reciprocity' system I mean a system where favors of roughly equal value(relative to the participants) are traded between reasonable people who know how to recognize and cut out a 'leech'.Nielashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08685329191772513319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75917087042122670262010-03-04T20:33:19.856+01:002010-03-04T20:33:19.856+01:00For US players there is no reason for an EU accoun...For US players there is no reason for an EU account as there are "failed PvP servers" in the US too. Cho'gall comes to mind and has a new "Ganker Guild" the Cho'Gall Police Dept. which is doing pretty much the same thing Gev is talking about. Cho'gall has been home to a few save our sever, build up the Alliance side thing a few times but most have sizzled out after some initial success. <br /><br />That's only an example, the point being if there is enough interest it could be duplicated in the US just like the Blue Raiders concept. Unless of course Gev is the magic ingredient, in which case it kind of invalidates what he's doing. <br /><br />But, if there is US interest I've been thinking about rolling a toon on a PvP server for something different & to try and improve my skills, so would be willing to give it a try wherever a group wanted to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82169574790404859892010-03-04T20:26:03.872+01:002010-03-04T20:26:03.872+01:00@Nielas: If the AH does not work, than no one know...@Nielas: If the AH does not work, than no one knows the market price of an item. The stuff you barter with a guildy for another may worth 100+G to a twink. You can only know it if you offer it to everyone for a higher price.<br /><br />A closed in-guild trading necessarily leads to expensive items are not sold (lot of gold to the guild) but equipped by someone who could get a replacement for much cheaper. The price difference is lost to us.<br /><br />The strong AH serves us!Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45771671515385241322010-03-04T20:26:03.873+01:002010-03-04T20:26:03.873+01:00@ Nielas
This project isn't to just make his ...@ Nielas<br /><br />This project isn't to just make his guild better, it's an experiment to try to re-invigorate the Ally-side of the server. To accomplish this end, a healthy AH economy will go a lot further than a single guild trading within itself.Diorinixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42870315797907560862010-03-04T20:22:40.128+01:002010-03-04T20:22:40.128+01:00OMG!
This server is totally dead. And it's pr...OMG!<br /><br />This server is totally dead. And it's prime time in Europe right now!<br /><br />Of course... my level 1 Night Elf, of a class I don't play, has no support structure. No DK available to roll... no level 80 chars.<br /><br />(to the tune of the Gilligan's Island theme)<br />No bags, no mounts, no motor cars! Not a single luxury!<br /><br />This will be fun!Iiene of Kul Tirashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13427908681308163728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91111952260481990072010-03-04T19:52:31.711+01:002010-03-04T19:52:31.711+01:00Gevlon said: "and how would the AH become str...Gevlon said: "and how would the AH become stronger if we avoid it and trade between each other?"<br /><br />Why should you care about the AH becoming stronger if trading among yourselves gives you a better benefit?<br /><br />Or are you simply worried that your guild members will be too 'social' to properly use a reciprocity in-guild trading system?Nielashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08685329191772513319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79146932483350360842010-03-04T18:18:51.412+01:002010-03-04T18:18:51.412+01:00Sid:
He simply uses his second account.
Nothing ...Sid:<br /><br />He simply uses his second account.<br /><br />Nothing ungoblin about that. Using multiple accounts increases efficiency.<br /><br />Even at that, though... 50 gold for a glyph makes even farming the mats yourself look attractive. Add in the Eternal Life and Frost Lotuses (assuming those are essentially unavailable on the AH)... and it could be worth your time.<br /><br />My initial though for this project was "Who cares? This is a failed PvP server". But then I realized the purpose... it's a social engineering experiment that starts with a hypothesis, sets up a test in an appropriate environment, then has measurable goals.<br /><br />The best part? The guild name. "Inglourious Gankers". Freakin' genius guild name. Quentin Tarantino would be proud.<br /><br />I predict that this experiment can work. I think people really are this irrational about being ganked. "It can't happen to me! I'M the ganker!"<br /><br />The "Pro PvP" who can think rationally... won't be affected. But the socials (Horde side) who are there to be the "Lone Ranger of ganking" will be crushed, QQing on the message boards instead of nutting up.<br /><br />I wonder if I can start an EU account...Iiene of Kul Tirashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13427908681308163728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-60004926416598938992010-03-04T17:28:53.812+01:002010-03-04T17:28:53.812+01:00It's no improvement for Gevlon if he kicks you...<i>It's no improvement for Gevlon if he kicks you from the guild. So he'll probably promote you to social or something like that first.</i><br /><br />I would not consider that a promotion.Glyph, the Architecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770027239906401274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-77917640010239523892010-03-04T17:23:17.268+01:002010-03-04T17:23:17.268+01:00And how are you getting the tradeskill materials f...And how are you getting the tradeskill materials for your glyph/gem/whatever industry?<br /><br />From wowwiki.com: <br /><br />"Characters on the same account cannot bid on items put up for auction on any Auction House by a different character on the same account, even if the characters are of different factions (Alliance or Horde) using a neutral Auction House."<br /><br />So you need 2 accounts or a reliable partner to get the stuff from the Horde side to your ally char.<br /><br />The other option left is to farm it yourself (not very goblinish).Sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71426266493774980752010-03-04T16:08:45.531+01:002010-03-04T16:08:45.531+01:00Still a specific trade channel would be good.
Woul...Still a specific trade channel would be good.<br />Wouldn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55257034895744385672010-03-04T15:53:14.145+01:002010-03-04T15:53:14.145+01:00That is an interesting thought someone just brough...That is an interesting thought someone just brought up. Gevlon, what are your guild ranks? I am assuming Social would be one of the lowest. This is an interesting subject even for you Blue guild, if it still exists, if you do not use the defaults.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81232772698960265862010-03-04T15:44:45.180+01:002010-03-04T15:44:45.180+01:00@Klepsacovic: and how would the AH become stronger...@Klepsacovic: and how would the AH become stronger if we avoid it and trade between each other?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12636048743392070742010-03-04T15:13:47.267+01:002010-03-04T15:13:47.267+01:00Have you considered creating a guild trade channel...Have you considered creating a guild trade channel? Just a /join goblinguildtrade, a way to help in-guild commerce without adding spam to gchat. That would help save all parties some gold by removing AH cuts and fess, at least until the AH becomes stronger and people can shift over.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88186850998902387192010-03-04T12:51:40.911+01:002010-03-04T12:51:40.911+01:00With the flying mount (not epic) being much cheape...With the flying mount (not epic) being much cheaper now than before, it won't be hard to get. <br /><br />Now, I don't hand out ALL mats for free, that would be dumb. <br /><br />I give a (small) fraction to someone to level a prof and provide me with some gear. A bit like asking can someone craft me ... + tip? This way the 'extra' mats are the tip. Instead of asking a specific item, I let them decide what they can craft that would suit me best. Saves me the time to find someone that CAN craft something specific that will turn obsolete pretty fast anyway.<br /><br />I could ofcourse sell in on AH, then with the same gold, but probably more (tip), buy the item back again. <br /><br />Think it almost evens out that way. Only the way I do it, it creates some goodwill, people will remember and be more willing to help you out in future, saving precious time. <br /><br />And ... Time IS money, friend ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75917634738309702192010-03-04T11:52:59.284+01:002010-03-04T11:52:59.284+01:00A lot of people seem to be a lot less goblin as th...A lot of people seem to be a lot less goblin as they considered themselves. At least it seems so if I check out the questions asked and the comments. I'd say relax people. It's no improvement for Gevlon if he kicks you from the guild. So he'll probably promote you to social or something like that first.<br /><br />I don't get the questions anyway. I mean you're joining a goblin guild. If you're not a goblin, don't join the guild. If you want to be a part of the project anyway, act like a goblin.<br />It's very unlikely that a goblin will forbid trading. It is very likely that a goblin will forbid giving stuff for free. Use your brains people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45421645016767596832010-03-04T11:50:13.842+01:002010-03-04T11:50:13.842+01:00B O B
Hi as a non member of your guild but someone...B O B<br />Hi as a non member of your guild but someone who is taking an interest. Surely the solution is for someone to create an horde alt sell direct to the neutral auction house. The biggest problem is that the cross faction AH is bust/broken. While the cost of the goods would be slightly higher than normal this would be more the offset the saving in time and effort required to get the goods on the alliance side. The biggest obstacle would be the high demand for the goods but the low amount of cash low level character are able to obtain and perhaps not many people checking the neutral ah.<br />I don't know how but supply must be a priorty. What is the point in having 6000g if it can't buy what u want what u need? Would u give a ton of gold for a glass of water if u were dying of thirst?<br />PS What would be the ultimate outcome of buying and transfering resources from horde faction? Could the ganking objective be accomplished by the horde farming resources for the alliance? The horde supplying the resources to undermine themselves :) <br />I N SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69307104071647844922010-03-04T10:51:12.235+01:002010-03-04T10:51:12.235+01:00"Don't sell in /g" is fine, but what..."Don't sell in /g" is fine, but what about buying? Would it be wrong to ask: "Does anyone have an Essence of Fire? if there is none on AH?Draturgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25193607310478542732010-03-04T10:34:10.487+01:002010-03-04T10:34:10.487+01:00@last anonymous: sending collected materials to cr...@last anonymous: sending collected materials to crafters is not illegal. There is nothing wrong with such trading.<br /><br />However you don't have to wait until you transfer some banker, you can run a lvl1 human into SW.<br /><br />I'm sure that by farming to a guildie, he wins and you lose. But why should I punish that? It will be punishment enough to walk in Outland on the ground in a PvP realm because you can't afford a flying mount.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.com