tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post4508171822586457021..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Why the naysayers are wrong?Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-4646959091330577792010-03-04T05:41:21.200+01:002010-03-04T05:41:21.200+01:00my suggestion for people looking to join in on thi...my suggestion for people looking to join in on this would be to roll a DK gatherer.<br /><br />for bags make the DK a tailor / enchanter. run loads of lowbie instances for quick cloth for skillups and bags for the guild. can even power level other guildies while gathering the cloth in instances.<br /><br />for leather / ore / herbs make a dual gathering DK.Antinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-57242851155357594722010-03-04T05:33:31.571+01:002010-03-04T05:33:31.571+01:00I dont read much, but I have heard you mention, &q...I dont read much, but I have heard you mention, "Goblins have no emotions". Yet, this seems to be full of emotion? Is a goblin only a goblin in commerce?Strabohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15032647940202801716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13163794007356155442010-03-04T02:25:21.461+01:002010-03-04T02:25:21.461+01:00have you thought of how many hordes might transfer...have you thought of how many hordes might transfer in to kick you're lame ass??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26721789005133549762010-03-04T01:25:22.937+01:002010-03-04T01:25:22.937+01:00@Ratshag: Yes, it's pretty weak to say that Ge...@Ratshag: Yes, it's pretty weak to say that Gevlon is succeeded people people are rolling low-level alliance characters after reading his blog.<br /><br />However, one sufficient (but not necessary) easily measured criteria for success is the following. If you log onto EU-Magtheridon in a couple of months, and /who around alliance side and you see that there are alliance playing the server who aren't in the "inglorious gankers" guild, then Gevlon succeeded. <br /><br />One of the stated goals of this project is to revive alliance-side EU-Magtheridon. Today there is virtually no one playing alliance-side EU-Magtheridon and the alliance-side economy is completely non-functional (which makes it very painful to, for example, level raiding professions on a character).<br /><br />If "ordinary" players start playing again on EU-Magtheridon, it's because Gevlon's guild created a functional economy, and created enough disincentive for Horde M&S to run around leveling zones ganking alliance that alliance socials can "play the game".Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12416543996130133383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22549276596908589912010-03-03T23:40:43.580+01:002010-03-03T23:40:43.580+01:00It's definitely a fun idea but I have to agree...It's definitely a fun idea but I have to agree with many of the caveats as to the likelihood in fulfilling your goals.<br /><br />However, you may also be giving the socials exactly what they want: drama.<br /><br />This project could not only NOT chase the Hordie socials away, more could transfer in for the gank 'n whine fest. Not to fight of course, but to chat and QQ about it.Bristalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849907713604626977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86735571445879696462010-03-03T21:15:19.468+01:002010-03-03T21:15:19.468+01:00There are basically 2 things that hold me back fro...There are basically 2 things that hold me back from transferring a mule-DK there..<br /><br />Magtheridon's population is currently rated as - I'm playing on a realm and there's barely anyone around outside the major cities. So, is there actually anything to do/gank? Are Alliance cities being raided all the time or are we just gonna walk around in small groups finding some gathering Hordie whos not the slightest challenge anyway every 15minutes or so ..<br /><br />Next thing I worry about is that this whole project might be rather short-lived judging by the difficulty and interest/patience of people - Should I transfer I'd bring a lot of stuff with me and I don't want to lose it simply because disbanded just after 2 weeks..<br /><br />Comments appreciated.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160167481152933629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32306529010622262252010-03-03T21:14:16.311+01:002010-03-03T21:14:16.311+01:00Oh wow.. I was just thinking about what Bindu said...Oh wow.. I was just thinking about what Bindu said and I realized.<br /><br />"What if to get into ICC you had to hold some PvP objective?" But that would only be cool if ICC was actually a big deal, and not just more free loot. <br /><br />Imagine, your guild bands together and after an hour of tireless fighting, you have secured the Wrath Gate and you start your epic siege on Icecrown Citadel.<br /><br />Instead of "LFM ICC 10m, GS > 5k" <br />"Ok lets go get some free loot"<br /><br />Imagine how epic the AQ event was, now compare it to the ICC opening. There was no "ICC War Effort" It was just "Hey look, gates down, lets go get free loot."<br /><br />Also on an unrelated note, lol my capchta word was "pantiman"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-77442059870237090822010-03-03T20:08:11.977+01:002010-03-03T20:08:11.977+01:00Even if your theory is correct and the M&S don...Even if your theory is correct and the M&S don't do anything to stop your "purging" of the realm.. <br /><br />I can't help but wonder if there are any horde goblins on that same server, who get a good chunk of their income from the same M&S you want to chase away, who read this and know what your intentions are and know they will lose a lot of business if you succeed.. <br /><br />I just wonder if goblins would try to stop you in order to save their business..Cinnamonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27070565103557407062010-03-03T19:46:08.935+01:002010-03-03T19:46:08.935+01:00I think it's worth answering Greenhell partial...I think it's worth answering Greenhell partially, since I'm the one who steppped up and started a US side for Undergeared. <br /><br />While, I can't speak for anyone else, I don't plan to lead a US version of this. US undergeared is not as far along as EU, and I'm pretty sure I have less time to devote to the game than Gevlon. I'm also a mediocre PvPer, much better than your average M&S, but worthless against real players. <br /><br />Even though I am on a PvP server, I always roll pure PvE specs and rarely bother to get any PvP gear beyond the easy/cheap starter pieces to replace particularly brittle bits of my normal PvE gear. My intentional PvP has all been in battlegrounds with a few arenas back in TBC. <br /><br />That said, something like this would be fun as hell, and if there's a US version, I'll roll a character for it, though I can't promise quick leveling or that I'll do all that well.The Gnome of Zurichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203965173625552516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69059825330773920312010-03-03T19:19:02.748+01:002010-03-03T19:19:02.748+01:00I think it will be interesting to see if you can f...I think it will be interesting to see if you can find a sizable group of people willing to put up with the ganking and make it to 80. The more entertaining stories may be in studying the drop-out rate (how many quit by level 20, or 30, or 40, etc).<br /><br />I played on a PVP server for a couple of years because my friends were playing there. I was not (and still am not) good at PVP, and did not enjoy ganking others, so my experience was generally one-sided. I did not complain though, because it was my decision to play there. I simply found areas and quests that minimized the amount of players I might run across. Overall it was not a bad experience (I was never camped, for instance) and I even enjoyed PVP now and then.<br /><br />What irked me most was to see that the same friends who were so gung-ho about playing on a PVP server were the ones who complained the most whenever they got ganked. Oh, it was the end of the world for them, they would get genuinely angry (enraged, even) when PVP didn't work the way they seem to have expected it to (ie, where they were the ones doing the griefing, not the ones being griefed). Here I was, the non-PVPer quietly dealing with ganking, and I had to hear my "rough and tough" guildmates cry about being ganked. Sigh.<br /><br />That was probably the part that bothered me most. I think that there are a lot of people who watch PVP videos and imagine themselves in the ganker's role, having fun at the expense of others. When the shoe is on the other foot, they are angry and disappointed that the script has been changed. I suspect that a lot of people who think that this will be a great idea will not last very long once the dying starts.Tonushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01082528970434639776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-55150407928618313062010-03-03T18:10:13.691+01:002010-03-03T18:10:13.691+01:00This reminds me of the Thanksgiving crap that happ...This reminds me of the Thanksgiving crap that happened on my server. the chairs at the tables were, for whatever reason, able to be killed... and so Horde killed all the chairs at the tables in Ironforge. For some reason, the chairs wouldn't respawn... so we lost days before Blizz finally fixed them. It was amusing and annoying at the same time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6804595012363998612010-03-03T17:58:34.432+01:002010-03-03T17:58:34.432+01:00I come from Mal'Ganis (US Horde) where the All...I come from Mal'Ganis (US Horde) where the Alliance are severely outnumbered.<br /><br />There was one guy who made a name for himself, he was a nigh elf druid who was very successful at ganking horde.<br /><br />The reason night elf druids are so effective is because they can shadowmeld-flightform and instantly get away.<br /><br />He had three main tactics besides standard 1v1 ganking. The first was to simply get you while you were AFK at a summoning stone or some local place. He took advantage of neutral guards (such as those near the Ulduar stone) by baiting you into attacking him and then letting the guards kill you. Lastly he would use typhoon near cliffs to knock people off to their deaths.<br /><br />All in all he was quite effective and a good majority of Horde on our server remember him. And he was just one guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5916476585943181082010-03-03T17:23:09.082+01:002010-03-03T17:23:09.082+01:00I submit the story of Fansy the Bard. Very much r...I submit the story of Fansy the Bard. Very much relevant to this cause.<br /><br />http://www.notaddicted.com/fansythefamous.phpEaten by a Gruehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741777795065029482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76999601714058642002010-03-03T16:22:21.398+01:002010-03-03T16:22:21.398+01:00@Ratshag
Not only it's a vague-hand waving, it...@Ratshag<br />Not only it's a vague-hand waving, it fundamentally doesn't have a point.<br /><br />Ever since the undergeared project Gevlon 'feels' he has something to prove: in light of the blog, because of the socials or something to the socials.<br /><br />Sadly there is nothing to prove. <br /><br />Nothing to prove about raiding, about the socials (gevlon hasnt even pinpointed one single social so far - only talks about them, never a screenshot saying this is social), or about the game in any way.<br /><br />Simply because in front of a sample of largely heterogenous player-base majoritarily populated with people of low intelligence and morals, you can say and prove whatever you damn want and you cant be easily contradicted.<br /><br />Why would we wanna prove anything about the socials we despise? Why would we care about them?<br /><br />Secondly, what Gevlon is doing actually is appeal to the burn-out hardcore players who read his blog (if you read greedy-goblin you are hardcore, period) in order to create blog-content for him. In the form of Undeargeared or Gankers project. We are at the end of the expansion, most are already burned out so why not appeal and revive our desire to play by twisting the game and changing the rules a little. That will revive it. Just like his low-level-solo-instance project.<br /><br />Thirdly such a project cannot succeed but at the same time you cannot prove it can't succeed either. Its a self perpetuating goal.<br /><br />Of course some will be excited because of their burnout and start leveling characters. Some might even get to level 80 and start ganking. If it brings you enjoyment, by all means do it. <br /><br />The naysayers aren't wrong. They aren't wright either. They are measuring your impact differently as they are all looking for different goals inside this game.<br />When looking at pvp some see ganking, some see arena, some see battlegrounds, some see going against the odds and suceeding.<br /><br />To me, PVP success is when the victory screen in BGs or Arena apeares or when my opponent is dead. In this experiment of yours your enemy is the whole horde side which you can never kill or shut down and your victory screen is their insults and cries against you.<br /><br />I don't know this kinda seems like looking for social status to me...Quicksilverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02514588622395952812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85322160323385307642010-03-03T15:56:13.408+01:002010-03-03T15:56:13.408+01:00I wish, and seriously so, that I was on European s...I wish, and seriously so, that I was on European servers.<br /><br />I'd roll yet a third Rogue and perhaps try to, yet again, roll against the odds and succeed.<br /><br />WTB European account.<br /><br />Kthxbai.Omgadnowainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14295018040884730592010-03-03T15:28:57.093+01:002010-03-03T15:28:57.093+01:00@Tantow: "The ratio is already changing (slig...@Tantow: <i>"The ratio is already changing (slightly) by the people starting new chars on alliance side."</i><br /><br />If your definition of success can be met by simply creating toons on the server, then I would call that a very weak definition.Ratshaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12111084510465688124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28567444495395001912010-03-03T15:18:39.090+01:002010-03-03T15:18:39.090+01:00And who is to say that there isn’t already a Horde...And who is to say that there isn’t already a Horde PvP Ganking guild already with say 400 players in it? All in the top notch Arena gear, flying around looking for "noob" allie pvp guilds to crush?<br /><br />On Kil'Jaedon, horde side they had a strong PvP guild -MinuteMen- they seemed to do just this.<br /><br />I highly doubt that you will make anyone transfer just by ganking, there are too many ways to get away or retaliate (rez sickness/log off/call guildies) But wish you luck.Strutt@Kil'Jaedonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76562757070998078052010-03-03T14:57:19.154+01:002010-03-03T14:57:19.154+01:00Are there any readers of this blog that are consid...Are there any readers of this blog that are considering making a serious attempt at this on a US server? Gevlon if you havent already done it could you post some guild guidelines for your project? Thanks.Greenhellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156560878052480310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71232466418735704342010-03-03T14:57:19.155+01:002010-03-03T14:57:19.155+01:00Gevlon : ecconomic warfare might be a great idea. ...Gevlon : ecconomic warfare might be a great idea. build a bankroll horde side using your usual methods.<br /><br /> use it to buy items for export that are in short supply alliance side. jack the prices up horde side and supply alliance side after transfering it through the neutral AH.<br /><br />i did this in limited amounts on another imbalanced realm. Thaurisan. i leveled my alliance mage from 60-80 and wanted maxed out tailoring and enchanting. alliance AH was very short of supplies and i had the luxury of a second account so i could trade to myself through the booty bay AH. <br /><br />i did things like buy all the arcane dust horde side, relist them at 200% price, sold 50%, recouped my expenses, then xfered the other 50% to my alliance enchanter for skilling up.Antinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83563330471972193482010-03-03T14:56:33.571+01:002010-03-03T14:56:33.571+01:00Think the real fanboys would have already followed...Think the real fanboys would have already followed Ensidia some time after they left. Since the free transfer is to (a) specific server(s) it would be pure coincidence that this happens to be the server of all the 'socials' friends. And hardcore PvP-ers looking for world PvP on a server with hardly an opposing faction, should also have migrated long time ago. <br /><br />Only remaining ones: people who are tired of the laggy server and/or those being 'encouraged' to leave by being ganked repeatedly and deprived of resources. <br /><br />The ratio is already changing (slightly) by the people starting new chars on alliance side.Tantownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11827995196971332952010-03-03T14:53:54.178+01:002010-03-03T14:53:54.178+01:00Are there any diciples of Gevlon that are consider...Are there any diciples of Gevlon that are considering making a serious attempt at this on a US server?Greenhellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156560878052480310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46269086579213436742010-03-03T14:07:38.466+01:002010-03-03T14:07:38.466+01:00In two posts you have yet to give a single objecti...In two posts you have yet to give a single objective definition of "success", nor have you given any sort of time frame. If you are going to alter the Alliance:Horde ratio, what is your target? And how quickly will you do it? Assuming there is shift in the ratio, how are you going to demonstrate that it was your actions that caused the shift, and not simply fanboys following Ensidia, or socials taking advantage of the free transfers to go play with their friends, or bored PvPers looking for a server with more Alliance? The Undergeared project has a definite goal (kill Arthas) and an implied timeframe (before Cataclysm). So far however this is just vague hand-waving.Ratshaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12111084510465688124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63117383173857217212010-03-03T13:55:44.194+01:002010-03-03T13:55:44.194+01:00prot paladins are one big blizz joke... i fking ha...prot paladins are one big blizz joke... i fking hate them, i dont know how, but when in 2v2 (i play as discipline with affli) retri pala cant kill me... whereas prot pala has somehow bigger damage and kind of more control, so he can kill me, even by himself... also: as affli doesn't have much nuke, we usually win "by mana" (opposite healer runs out of mana sooner than i) and the freaking protection healer NEVER runs out of mana!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08529352212645015104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29893199777121714702010-03-03T13:51:47.443+01:002010-03-03T13:51:47.443+01:00I've posted my thoughts on why Gevlon will suc...I've posted my thoughts on why Gevlon will succeed in at least reviving the server on my blog;<br />http://specialshaman.blogspot.com<br />Yes, this is shameless self promotion, but I'm a new blogger, one must start somewhere.<br /><br />Fenryr - The "Special Shaman"Fenryrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11815576833100520860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61436220436293516252010-03-03T13:19:01.481+01:002010-03-03T13:19:01.481+01:00@Gevlon
You tear me inside. On one hand I am a ha...@Gevlon<br /><br />You tear me inside. On one hand I am a hard core hordie, so I don't want to see the alliance succeed at anything. On the other hand, I friggin hate socials.<br /><br />I'll be honest, a lot of people are idiots when it comes to world PvP. I run around the world as a prot specced paladin for three reasons.<br /><br />1. I can kill more things at once than as ret.<br />2. It provides a discouragement to most players to gank me.<br />3. I still kick many player's asses in world PvP.<br /><br />To describe in detail.<br />1. The only reason I'm typically out in the wilds instead of instances or raids is to perform dailies or mine. When mining, spec doesn't matter. When doing dailies being able to kill more stuff at once means I can tag mobs before other players without having to assess whether I can take it. That means I kill faster overall.<br /><br />2. Prot paladins should be, in theory, the one tanking class you rabidly avoid. I personally have 42k hp unbuffed. That means to kill me you have to go through at least 52k hp ignoring any of the extra healing I get from Judgement of light/seal of light. If I decide to use lay on hands, you'll face 94k hp + incidental healing. I am not exaggerating when I say I can keep 5 alliance busy trying to kill me for a good 45-60s. In fact it's a tactic I frequently utilize in AB. I run to a base none of the other horde are running to, if there's only 2 alliance, I ignore it. If there's 4 alliance I charge head in. I know I'm going to die, but the point isn't to defeat them. The point is to occupy their attention. The alliance let themselves get put 5vs1 prot paladin, leaving the rest of the BG to be 14H-10A. It's also no joke that there have been successful PvP arena teams that utilized prot paladins in the team.<br /><br />3. The fact that I can kick the butts of other DPS spec players in PvP while I'm pure raid tanking spec I believe is further insult to injury for socials.<br /><br />So Gevlon, in conclusion, I think if you're going to gank the Horde you should have everyone play as geared prot paladins. Maybe a few healers tossed in there.Talderashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04199885847948599406noreply@blogger.com