tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post440107046582541065..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: No means no!Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger183125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-54023295740796541552009-12-10T12:42:45.058+01:002009-12-10T12:42:45.058+01:00Lol its funny because the email you recieved isnt ...Lol its funny because the email you recieved isnt even marcko's email address lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81955089230948686662009-12-04T21:58:09.048+01:002009-12-04T21:58:09.048+01:00http://20kleveling.com <-- the gold guide that...http://20kleveling.com <-- the gold guide that Markco wrote and Gevlon declined in this post.<br /><br />And yes I think the reaction was way out of proportion. Anyone who has read this guide would agree it's better than any free content out there.<br /><br />-FreeseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34189653597285851772009-12-02T21:46:25.841+01:002009-12-02T21:46:25.841+01:00I've been on both the sales and proposition si...I've been on both the sales and proposition side of business and I'll say that Markco handled himself a bit wrongly here, especially when he used THAT address (get your own domain you nunce!). but I've never seen such a disproportionate reaction from a blog's audience. This is worse than the frigging PuA blogosphere.Pierre Goldbloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647019966484716737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17160145286066381022009-12-01T05:08:27.297+01:002009-12-01T05:08:27.297+01:00LOL drama! You couldn't have put it better.
T...LOL drama! You couldn't have put it better.<br /><br />Thanks Markco...I now have my very own blog.<br /><br />http://justmy2lol.blogspot.com/Lolcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04118555415544944629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-68770294202391367022009-12-01T01:11:47.006+01:002009-12-01T01:11:47.006+01:00Posted this in response to Markco's "anti...Posted this in response to Markco's "anti-goblin" AH strategy. It got deleted and all anonymous posts blocked.<br /><br />blog link <br />http://bit.ly/810e6F<br /><br />My reply<br />@markco<br /><br />Firstly, to "defeat" a goblin you are actually becoming a goblin yourself. Additionally "defeat" is more like stalemate or draw.<br /><br />You don't explain why 3.5 gold is the magic UWIN number. You already state that the "goblins" start selling at 40g. They are obviously happy to sell above 3.5g. E<br /><br />These herb prices are very unrealistic. Most commenters that mention herb prices state this.<br /><br />Can you rewrite your plan without your GF farming herbs for a ridiculous loss (opportunity cost anyone??).<br /><br />Shifting the loss to a second party who is complicit in the deal is just underhanded. You need to be honest and add the losses made by your GF to the total of the system cost. I'm pretty sure anyone can "defeat" anyone with a farmer willing to bear the cost of losing gold so you can profit.<br /><br />Ink of the sea, and vellums sell very slowly. So either you will have a massive glut of unprocessed herbs or inks or vellums. You cannot move the volume needed to "defeat" a goblin.<br /><br />Supply and demand. If you force herb prices so low (god knows how this is possible in a market where you are most certainly not the only buyer) then the goblins will only need to offer slightly more than you to get herbs even cheaper than they did before. If you can, they can....oh I forgot this plan requires a GF.<br /><br />Again if the farmers get paid ridiculous prices they will either farm less or sell to higher bidders. Unless of course you have enlisted retarded farmers to your cause, who farm for vendetta rather than profit.<br /><br />Finally, screenshots, book keeping and some real numbers are needed. At the moment this is a "master plan" for fail.<br /><br />TLDR: Becoming a "goblin" is not defeating one, Plan has unrealistic price requirements, Plan has unrealistic sales expectations, Plan requires a GF, Plan requires a second party willing to make a loss so you can profit, Plan defies economic laws, Plan needs real world proof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31947043474985038782009-11-26T13:41:43.520+01:002009-11-26T13:41:43.520+01:00"I don't see why would anyone pay $20 for..."I don't see why would anyone pay $20 for something he could get for free."<br /><br />I don't see why would anyone pay for a wooden table when he can grab an axe, cut down a tree, get some woodcrafting skills and craft one...<br /><br />Somehow your comment fails to prove your point.<br /><br />As for your "integrity"...coming from someone who's always claimed, ever since day 1, that taking advantage of ignorants is the (goblin) way to go (ie : morons of the week section), I find it a bit hard to swallow.<br /><br />But that might just be me...Sylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13241786024891801062009-11-25T15:45:37.908+01:002009-11-25T15:45:37.908+01:00Here's the thing about posting the personal in...Here's the thing about posting the personal information.<br /><br />Anyone with half a brain can look up whois information and all that fun stuff.<br /><br />Those without half a brain who can't/won't learn how dns names are registered are the same M&S without the half a brain to use common sense and decency in real life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27718242129639478192009-11-23T21:08:39.158+01:002009-11-23T21:08:39.158+01:00You dumbasses who think that this is counter to wh...You dumbasses who think that this is counter to what Gevlon has written in his posts here just don't understand what he's posted here. Although I don't agree with Gevlon in terms of outlook and the true value of certain things, he is extremely honest in his postings and is highly consistent in applying his worldview. <br /><br />Look up some of his posts on why he writes this blog and maybe you'll have an epiphany.Toadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10646277690714916602009-11-19T23:11:56.872+01:002009-11-19T23:11:56.872+01:00Gevlon, perhaps you can answer this one:
Why woul...Gevlon, perhaps you can answer this one:<br /><br />Why would you, The Great Goblin, care about what your readers think of you and NOT jump at the opportunity to make REAL cash?<br /><br />It's the biggest contradiction I have read here of all time.<br /><br />Are... you... social?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9123743448875602402009-11-19T21:40:58.061+01:002009-11-19T21:40:58.061+01:00@Last anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vira...@Last anonymous<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing<br /><br />*More popcorn anyone?Breevokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13007745955089390880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-69374107038220836452009-11-19T19:41:41.479+01:002009-11-19T19:41:41.479+01:00"Second tip: Just because 98% of the people a..."Second tip: Just because 98% of the people are socials who fall for tricks, it doesn't mean you should use the tricks indiscriminately. They don't work on goblins. They just get pissed, or see an opportunity to increase traffic by writing a debunking post (people love blood), using you as bad example and delete your link from their blog, denying you traffic."<br /><br />While Markco's "sales pitch" may have been a bit questionable, and in spite of the fact that you label yourself an "antisocial", the line above gives you away. <br /><br />Keep in mind other antisocials can see through your bullshit too. Your attempt to get more readers and make him lose more by bashing him is more likely to backfire with the truly smart readers. Antisocials don't care who is "right or wrong" in a situation, but if someone is outright being an ass just for the sake of being an ass, there is no reason to value their opinion whatsoever.<br /><br />Not sure WHAT you are talking about with the "virus-ad" but it is ridiculous to suggest that an established voice/business/whatever you want to call it would send someone they consider their peer a virus, so I have to assume you just threw that word in as more chum in the water.<br /><br />Maybe your socials will fall for this, but I'm done.<br /><br />This isn't my first visit to your site, but it will be my last.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2672691573204993642009-11-19T01:33:43.848+01:002009-11-19T01:33:43.848+01:00Despite the massive number of responses, I just ha...Despite the massive number of responses, I just had to add my...uh...thoughts.<br /><br />One of your recent morons o' the week was trying to assure that his wares weren't being bought to be resold. He naively wanted them sold to people who needed them "for a fair price" or some carebear sentiment.<br /><br />How is that different from your moral high ground about wanting to provide "free" AH strategies and being outraged that someone wanted to make a buck (and share it with you) off of your skill and success?<br /><br />I don't buy that it pissed you off that he wouldn't take no for an answer. You enjoy saying no. What's a few more times?<br /><br />Markco was persistent. And he stretched the truth JUST like your moron's foil did by lying that he needed the goods for his guild. And you celebrated his Goblin-ness for that.<br /><br />Seriously, in all this I'm seeing Markco as the Goblin and you unfortunately as the defender of the sugerplum fairie forest.<br /><br />and since i have more funds than apparently even you (at last estimate), I'm going to buy that damn guide to make up my own mind.Bristalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-50041424803896678492009-11-18T23:27:39.839+01:002009-11-18T23:27:39.839+01:00Funny some how my post got switched up but anyways...Funny some how my post got switched up but anyways ima repost it <br /><br />Funny that this post actually still advertised the 20k leveling Guide.<br /><br />Are you sure you didn't take his offer on a virus post and keep that info in there so people would go to his site anyways? Nice cover up with the bashing and all but even you aren't that good of a goblin I suppose.Baphometanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89573332636934619182009-11-18T23:25:40.584+01:002009-11-18T23:25:40.584+01:00but, i have met bryan stinespring. i pay stinespri...but, i have met bryan stinespring. i pay stinespring's salary. he's an indirect employee of mine. i grade his performance to be unsatisfactory. i would like him removed. all of that is still in the real world, real dollars.<br /><br />I really hate to drag this on, but I suppose suspect this is a pretty grey area you're claiming here. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you claim to pay Stinespring's salary because you paid tuition to attend VT? Since you work as an engineer I doubt that a college football offensive coordinator is anymore of an "indirect employee" of yours than the guy who mows the grass at my apartments is an indirect employee of mine because I pay rent to live there.<br /><br />As for your focus on all of that being "in the real world, real dollars", how is Markco selling a gold guide not in the real world, in real dollars? The guide costs $27 to buy, I can't mail him 50k in game gold and get a guide sent to me.<br /><br />Markco's own affiliate page claims if you link to his guide and someone buys one a day through your link you could make $702 a month (though to be fair, you make 60% of his price and that was based on the guide being $39, so now you'd only make $486). Again, sounds like real world money to me.<br /><br />Just because the actual content of the guide is about a video game economy, the sale of said guide is a real world business, and how that business is conducted has real world implications.<br /><br />I actually like the way you've made your case HokieJayBee, and stood up to the criticism. However I feel like you're stretching the truth to claim your blog is about someone who you pay the salary for, while at the same time trying to categorize Markco's business into something only about pixels and a game when there's real world money involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58916727992519206892009-11-18T23:17:23.864+01:002009-11-18T23:17:23.864+01:00There's a lot more dirtier tactics in the real...There's a lot more dirtier tactics in the real world. Just look at loans. TV ads that flash £10 on the screen for the duration to make you think sofa's are cheap. So why bother with this.<br /><br />People know buying gold is stupid, people know buying gold guides is stupid. You don't need to point it out and if you wanted the respect of your readers you wouldn't of posted trash like this that's no better that shitty gossip magazines.<br /><br />People read his free guide to learn how to make ingame gold, people read yours for the same reason. Like most people I'll take what I can get for free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23922974393913102532009-11-18T23:07:20.255+01:002009-11-18T23:07:20.255+01:00there's a difference between wanting him [Mark...there's a difference between wanting him [Markco] defaced vs. wanting him [Christopher] defaced is what i mean.<br /><br />your goal: Markco loses cred, loses click throughs, loses respect in the blogging community, slander Markco all you want.<br /><br />not: Christopher loses job, gets reprimanded at work, has stalkers IRL at said address, his parents get harrassed about pixel saga, gets mail or harrassment IRL, etc.HokieJayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00973134636073808431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58437295303323404942009-11-18T23:01:45.503+01:002009-11-18T23:01:45.503+01:00nearly touche.
but, i have met bryan stinespring....nearly touche.<br /><br />but, i have met bryan stinespring. i pay stinespring's salary. he's an indirect employee of mine. i grade his performance to be unsatisfactory. i would like him removed. all of that is still in the real world, real dollars.<br /><br />gevlon, or you, do not pay christopher's salary at lockheed. nor have you met him or his parents. why do you care so much he said he makes good bank and bragged about his life? why? the real world punishment for a game/blog crime doesn't match here is all i'm saying. i'm not defending markco's actions regarding the e-mails or gold selling and have lost respect for him too. but the punishment, and possible real life implications for him and his family [who have nothing to do with this], does not match the "crime".HokieJayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00973134636073808431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21741724282295517582009-11-18T22:54:24.908+01:002009-11-18T22:54:24.908+01:00*quote*
but for it to get to this point, where yes...*quote*<br />but for it to get to this point, where yes you *can* look things up about him, but doesn't mean you *should* post it all over here to include his parent's names and birthyears?<br />*quote*<br /><br />When someone wants to make inflated claims as to how much money they're bringing in with their gold guide, in addition to boasting about their salary at their day job, there's nothing wrong with looking up information that may seem to contradict that claim.<br /><br />Sure, I could have just claimed he lived with mommy and daddy without facts to back it up, but that's not how I roll. There's too many people that will call BS unless you put all of the information out there. That's why there's birth years for the owners of the home he lives at, to establish the probability that based on knowing his age they are likely his parents.<br /><br />Now, he could be making a lot of money and still living at home for all we know, and the argument could be pointless. <br /><br />As for yourself HokieJayBee, I find it ironic that you would try to come to the defense of someone being personally bashed on for the way they've acted when you run a blog titled "Fire Bryan Stinespring", whose sole purpose is to bash on the offensive coordinator of a college football team and call for his firing.<br /><br />I'm pretty surprised you said "i do sure as hell hope nothing negative comes to christopher...not one iota of negativity at his real place of employment."<br /><br />So I take it that same sentiment doesn't apply to coach Stinespring? Or in his case you don't care if your blog causes negativity at his place of employment?<br /><br />Nice to meet you pot, I'm kettle.<br /><br />- Anon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88613488752052764932009-11-18T22:00:08.631+01:002009-11-18T22:00:08.631+01:00it's not a matter of could, it's a matter ...it's not a matter of could, it's a matter of should.<br /><br />as much respect for both markco and gevlon that i've lost through this ordeal, i do sure as hell hope nothing negative comes to christopher (the real kid, not markco) in his real life. not one hate mail, not one approach to his address or his parents, not one iota of negativity at his real place of employment. he screwed up regarding pixels and fake gold guides and a game. a game.<br /><br />anyone who is surprised by either of their behaviors is naive. but for it to get to this point, where yes you *can* look things up about him, but doesn't mean you *should* post it all over here to include his parent's names and birthyears? draw the line and be the better person. we are not impressed with your googling skills and whois skills.HokieJayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00973134636073808431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18413893735835363642009-11-18T19:34:51.192+01:002009-11-18T19:34:51.192+01:00It seems there's a bunch of assclowns who don&...It seems there's a bunch of assclowns who don't understand how the internet works that want to whine about Markco's personal information coming out. <br /><br />For the last time - ALL of the personal information in these comments with the exception of his work e-mail address can be obtained easily without any of the information Gevlon posted.<br /><br />See, since Markco owns the domain 20kleveling.com all you need to do is go to any WHOIS domain lookup and check the domain.<br /><br />http://www.whois.net/<br /><br />Put 20kleveling in the box, and his name and address comes up. This is public record and has nothing to do with Gevlon, Tobold, or any other WoW blogger. <br /><br />As for his parents names and information, after obtaining his home address from the domain registration it only takes about two minutes to look up what county he's in, visit the county website, and use their Recorder of Deeds public records search on the address. <br /><br />I only posted the minimal information there that was valid to my argument. There's also all of the previous mortgage data on his parents home, etc...because those filings with the county are again, PUBLIC RECORD.<br /><br />A lot of you seem to assume there is some given amount of privacy on the intarwebs. I don't understand it, and other people with knowledge of how much information is available to the public must get a laugh out of it too.<br /><br />If you don't like Gevlon after all of this because of the way he handled his communication with Markco that's one thing. If you don't read Gevlons blog anymore because he published an e-mail thay was sent to him, or didn't delete comments containing nothing more than information ALREADY AVAILABLE AT OTHER WEBSITES you have a lot to learn about teh intarwebs.<br /><br />- Anon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71102707944559123342009-11-18T18:58:46.387+01:002009-11-18T18:58:46.387+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Markcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13403848164475495092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58075895461194864582009-11-18T17:58:29.872+01:002009-11-18T17:58:29.872+01:00Levelling guides, another problem you don't ha...Levelling guides, another problem you don't have to deal with when you make your own achievements inside WoW :)Boukevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13126846810360826781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89943033704457304072009-11-18T17:50:06.507+01:002009-11-18T17:50:06.507+01:00"If someone made a poor sales attempt via WoW..."<i>If someone made a poor sales attempt via WoW blogs, wtf does that have to do with his real life name, email, location, family names etc. huh?</i>"<br /><br />"<i>Real professional salesmen in the real professional world do INDEED call upon targeted clients repeatedly until they find some common ground.</i>"<br /><br />You both are misunderstanding my point. The initial attempts at contacting Gevlon are one thing. And at the end of the email that Gevlon posted, Markco adds a PS to the effect that he would not bother him anymore if he did not want to take advantage of the offer.<br /><br />Yet when Gevlon said no, he got a rude, aggressive and self-aggrandizing email in reply. He raised the stakes unnecessarily and turned a sales call into a war. I don't see why he deserves the courtesy of not having his email address posted publicly when he showed no courtesy of his own.<br /><br />If you want to avoid such messy results, take the proper precautions. Such as not using a work-based email address to run your side business from, and not angering a person who dismissed your sales pitch. And just as useful-- don't have thin skin.<br /><br />And you are right, I will never be a professional salesman. I already have a good career. I do deal with salesmen all the time as part of my job, and while they are persistent in trying to get my business (as I would expect) they don't act like condescending know-it-alls when I don't buy their products or services. Because giving me shit for saying "no" is a sure guarantee that I'll never deal with you or your company again.Tonushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01082528970434639776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-77034726586213430572009-11-18T16:23:14.606+01:002009-11-18T16:23:14.606+01:00This post is awesome. The comments are awesome. ...This post is awesome. The comments are awesome. I love this blog.<br /><br />With one simple copy/paste, Gevlon brutally slaughtered a competitor. For negative work (i.e. not taking the time to blur out the guy's real name) he took down one of his competition while spiking his own traffic. This is perfectly in line with his philosophy on this site.<br /><br />He also taught Markco a lesson he won't soon forget, turning Markco into a better goblin in the end. <br /><br />Even if no administrative action was taken against Markco for this at Lockheed, if management finds out about it it's a black mark, which will have impacts on yearly raises. Compromising professional rep for some shitty side business is M&S style.<br /><br />Also, for the guy that said working at Lockheed means someone is successful... depending on where you live, Lockheed will hire random idiots off the street for shit pay. Working for Lockheed and pulling $100K in your 20s is successful. Working at Lockheed as one of their faceless scrubs (as I would assume Markco is since a successful person doesn't try to make chump change on the side from WoW gold guides while risking his professional reputation) making shit pay with 5% raises and no real advancement is how Lockheed makes their money.Toadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28624994245631199842009-11-18T16:11:51.666+01:002009-11-18T16:11:51.666+01:00@Bulbasaur
Tell me, wtf does his personal informat...@Bulbasaur<br />Tell me, wtf does his personal information have to do with anything? Huh?<br /><br />You think his family at risk deserves this?<br /><br />If you had/have a child, and u mess up on a bloody sales pitch. And people come after your kid, you think thats fair?<br />Bash his sales pitch if u want to, but his personal information has nothing to do with and online blog PRIVATE sales pitch conversation.<br /><br />Man do i feel sorry for you tbh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com