tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post407385250615231657..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: My project failedGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-3206897941998346062013-11-13T03:40:31.807+01:002013-11-13T03:40:31.807+01:00As everyone else is giving you suggestions on what...As everyone else is giving you suggestions on what to do next: guerrilla warfare against goons. Measure it in isk value of ships destroyed if you want. Your ganking characters shouldn't take too much time to skill into stealth bombers.<br /><br />A hunter could measure kills in terms of kilograms of meat. But, killing a lion is more impressive than killing a cow.<br /><br />If you start getting kills, you will find it easier to recruit people to join you than ganking miners. Everyone wants to be the guy who can wrestle lions and win, not everyone wants to work in a slaughterhouse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-51367508834129529562013-11-12T22:05:43.100+01:002013-11-12T22:05:43.100+01:00I run a mercenary alliance, and not one of those f...I run a mercenary alliance, and not one of those fakey ones that rando-dec everyone and go "lol we're a merc alliance, pay us to go away". We take money from clients and follow through with the contract stipulations, and don't rando-dec.<br /><br />Honestly though, I wish I had more goal-oriented people like you, Gevlon. If I did, we'd have much better results. As it stands now, there are a few people who like to pew and are goal oriented so they go out pro-actively and find targets, then there's the rest that just wants to find stragglers in trade hubs.<br /><br />All this is to say that you didn't fail, it's just the general playerbase isn't as goal-oriented as you. You're passionate about the anti-bot thing, I'm passionate about getting isk through pewing and getting the job done to the letter (granted, it's not nearly as much as being a carebear), but neither of us can inspire our followers to be as passionate about those subjects as we are.<br /><br />The only thing you can do is keep looking for people who are as passionate about the subject as you are, and eventually you'll build a corp full of passionate people and you'll get your end goal. You can't depend on positive progress every month because you can't depend on people being consistent. FeralShadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-49784380121317823482013-11-12T18:27:38.460+01:002013-11-12T18:27:38.460+01:00Oh Gevlon, if you are still struggling for ideas ...Oh Gevlon, if you are still struggling for ideas of what to do, you could come join me on a venture. I'm planning to turn Maire V - Moon 2 - Quafe Company Factory into a market hub. The aim is to make it huge, and try to get more people into solitude to the point that it Rivals the top 5 hubs in mainland high sec.<br />Since the thing you are best at is trading, and the entirety of the venture is trading, and it requires nothing outside of a solo activity, it seems like a good fit. Logistically it's a nightmare, and at least for now it's zero profit, but it WILL HAPPEN!<br />I'll be blogging about it later, but the post is here on my alt, Tim Timpson.<br />https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865405#post3865405Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11340100204692073962013-11-12T16:20:05.458+01:002013-11-12T16:20:05.458+01:00A corporation clearly can't run itself. But wh...<i>A corporation clearly can't run itself. But what you are telling me isn't organizing. I did that by having guides, channel, doing statistics and all that.</i><br /><br />Wrong. What you provided is educational materials. (I suppose the channel might be education.) Education and organizing are very different things. Organizing -- leading -- is about telling people what to do, where to be, how to interact with each other, and very much more. That can certainly include educating themselves, but it is much much more.<br /><br /><i>It wasn't a business venture, like a "grind region, rent it". It was always a "society betterment project", meant for making a change. If someone joins for the pay, he leaves the second I stop paying.</i><br /><br />Yes, and this is your problem exactly. What you are "selling" here is religion. Why should a person <i>playing a game</i> want to join a "society betterment project"? Are there <i>any</i> out there you can think of? I can't. <br /><br />Well, sort of: there is the New Order. Why has the NO succeeded and you have failed? Answer me that. <br /><br />I'll tell you the reason, and it is why I italicized <i>playing a game</i>: it is because the NO offers people <i>fun</i>. Value for value. The website -- the daily writing of James 315 -- is fun to read. I laugh. Probably even you have laughed a few times. Rich players give him ISK for that, like a tip. And extracting tears (which the Code is optimized for) offers many players fun. The comradery of working together to gank and grief is fun. You're the good bad guys together! And it's fun to listen to slackers and morons cry in local about how mean you were to them. And when you do manage to collect the occasional 10m fee, that's fun too -- it means you bent someone to your will. Or educated him. Power is always fun to have.<br /><br />Will highsec ever be Code-compliant? Of course not; it will not for the same reason you failed. Because (a) human ignorance is unlimited, and struggling against it is the domain of saints and fools; and (b) there will never be enough NO gankers to create the pressure necessary. It's not a viable business.<br />Von Keigaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14469707993470718130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34505214207923327922013-11-12T10:17:18.496+01:002013-11-12T10:17:18.496+01:00"@Daniel: sure, give them ships, sing them on..."@Daniel: sure, give them ships, sing them on comms to make them happy. Maybe I should also go over their house and give them a blowjob so they'll be more motivated.<br /><br />I'm not their slave and won't be it."<br /><br />first, i didn't mean for free.<br />just seeding the market, even making a profit.<br /><br />no, you are not their slave, but their ceo - if you didn't act like that, you shouldn't wonder why they left.<br /><br />"Yes, it's better to look loser, failure, idiots, than REMAINING loser, failure, idiots forever."<br /><br />Isn't this exactly what you do?<br /><br />Sorry, but it's you whining about his project failed, it's you whining because ppl left his corp, it's you whining because of no achievements ... <br /><br /><br />"What I'd prefer over "didn't want that region anyway"? How about "what we've learned from losing our region and what must be changed". Because currently nothing is changed."<br /><br />That is exactly it.<br />You corp/project failed.<br />You are told why it failed.<br />You deny it and keep on as usual.<br /><br />Why do you demand such behaviour from others, while it isn't possible for you to act according to your own standards?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85311239590127645362013-11-12T10:07:10.422+01:002013-11-12T10:07:10.422+01:00@Lucas: I've never said CFC leadership is a lo...@Lucas: I've never said CFC leadership is a loser. Goon#12354 is the loser who spends his evenings in a bombless bomber under TiDi, shooting a big structure while hostile bombed bombers are bombing him. I don't want to be that guy, and as a blogger I don't want to tell anyone: "come be my bombless bomber slave!". I'm not a space politician, I am a blogger. I want to provide my readers good advices and not use them to get pixels. <br /><br />A corporation clearly can't run itself. But what you are telling me isn't organizing. I did that by having guides, channel, doing statistics and all that. You expect me to be the CLIENT of the corp, paying for everything, forever. It wasn't a business venture, like a "grind region, rent it". It was always a "society betterment project", meant for making a change. If someone joins for the pay, he leaves the second I stop paying.<br /><br />If there is a corp with goals, I want to use my gaming time for that goal (if I don't like the goal, I wouldn't join).Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34629949388317685702013-11-12T08:59:51.697+01:002013-11-12T08:59:51.697+01:00@Gevlon
"I failed to convince anyone that gan...@Gevlon<br />"I failed to convince anyone that ganking miners is a good thing. My project failed. I could cover up this failure by simply paying people to act like they believe. But it wouldn't be less of a failure."<br />You realise this is wrong right? You need to put in the effort and the isk to start with. What you are building is a culture. Once you get more membership and start putting people in place to do these tasks, the corp eventually is able to support itself with minor oversight. That's what lasts.<br />Nobody has ever made a lasting corp by just expecting people to do what they need to, it's taken a leader putting people in the right places and building a culture that can be followed.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24729222344908135692013-11-12T08:54:46.581+01:002013-11-12T08:54:46.581+01:00@Gevlon
" no. I wanted an idea to lift off. I...@Gevlon<br />" no. I wanted an idea to lift off. It didn't. If I would simply pay people IRL to do my bidding and gank the living shit out of highsec, would I prove anything else than the most obvious thing in the consumer society: you can get people do the most absurd nonsense with money. <br /><br />Same with "leadership" aka paying them with social bullshit. Such followers wouldn't be less social than the ones they gank. They would simply draw their "fun" from my bullshit instead of the bullshit of Mittens or Vince. Not something I'd call progress."<br />Well you don't have to give anything, and you are free to call it bullshit all you like, but at the end of the day, lack of leadership is why you failed. You can't start a corp and expect it to run itself, that simply does not work. So if giving some of your time in order to run a corp is really too much, then just don't bother, as you'll just keep ending up failing in exactly the same way.<br />In the same way, you probably won;t be able to join a corp, as they will expect you to give up your time for their goals. So your only options is to sit about solo. Best of luck with that.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34580268262505344352013-11-12T08:50:41.700+01:002013-11-12T08:50:41.700+01:00@Gevlon
" yet I saw no successful social. The...@Gevlon<br />" yet I saw no successful social. The fact that I ALONE made as much kills as 300-1000 Goons (depending the number of alts), is that socials are even less successful than me, just there are awful lot of them. This makes their GROUP strong, but the individual Goon is still just a sorry loser grinding structures in bombless bombers under TiDi. This isn't the life I want for myself or for anyone follows my blog. Remember, you can't be Goonswarm, you can just be Goon#12358."<br />This makes no sense whatsoever. CFC clearly are not failing, as we own half of null. You on the other hand have just shut down your operations due to total failure. Surely that, the situation you yourself have described, shows that your kill numbers mean absolutely nothing.<br />You can say "I ALONE made as much kills as 300-1000 Goons", but in the end, who cares? It's a number, it means nothing alone, it's a means to an end. I guarantee, that if suddenly boosting a KB number actually achieved something, CFC would excel at that. It's not exactly hard to grind kill noobs. But it's a pointless achievement that is of no use.<br /><br />And I'm in the CFC, am I a sorry loser?<br />I grind in bomberless bombers from time to time, but most of the time I do what I would be doing in high sec, but in null sec instead. I trade. I make isk ensuring the market is stocked with what people need. If my alternative option is to sit in high sec, grind ganking miners and playing the 0.01 game, then I think I'll stick with being a "sorry loser", while you continue being a "winner".<br /><br />"Jhonny in the neighborhood has dawn syndrome. He licks the window with a huge smile on his face. He clearly has FUN!<br /><br />He is such a winner in life, just like you for having fun "PvP-ing" without any results. I feel so bad that I can't be like you or him."<br />You realise that this analogy is better looked at the other way right?<br />Jhonny really is having fun. As far as he is concerned everything he is doing is winning. He's licked way more windows than anyone else. He doesn't realise that the number of windows licked is a dumb metric with no benefit. In the same way, you can't see that grinding your killboard numbers up means nothing if you can't achieve anything off of the back of it.<br />Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75765299075108210052013-11-12T07:33:25.208+01:002013-11-12T07:33:25.208+01:00Jhonny in the neighborhood has dawn syndrome. He l...Jhonny in the neighborhood has dawn syndrome. He licks the window with a huge smile on his face. He clearly has FUN!<br /><br />He is such a winner in life, just like you for having fun "PvP-ing" without any results. I feel so bad that I can't be like you or him. Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-13584076996722260712013-11-12T07:10:38.444+01:002013-11-12T07:10:38.444+01:00" yet I saw no successful social. The fact th..." yet I saw no successful social. The fact that I ALONE made as much kills as 300-1000 Goons (depending the number of alts), is that socials are even less successful than me, just there are awful lot of them. "<br /><br />And that is where you're wrong. I won't name celebs as successful ones as this is obvious. I will give the examples of us, commenters. We play, we have fun, we win. As for the kills, you are still hanging on to a single number and can't let go. We've been telling you how your kills are irrelevant and you can't compare it to pvp. Even your own member realized it. Just let it go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74048338618173004882013-11-12T04:48:49.000+01:002013-11-12T04:48:49.000+01:00@Kata: no. Your scheme needs the miner to be at th...@Kata: no. Your scheme needs the miner to be at the keyboard. Any plan that needs you watch the mining beam and the concord in the overview is way inferior to simply:<br />1: send out a T1 fit retriever<br />2: if you find yourself in the station, update clone, grab your next ret and go 5 systems away.<br /><br />What made Kador special? We had to maintain presence in all New Eden. Maximizing kills is maximizing teaching. By camping Kador even 24/7, you could only teach "don't mine in Kador because some dickhead is there".<br /><br />@Anonymous: yet I saw no successful social. The fact that I ALONE made as much kills as 300-1000 Goons (depending the number of alts), is that socials are even less successful than me, just there are awful lot of them. This makes their GROUP strong, but the individual Goon is still just a sorry loser grinding structures in bombless bombers under TiDi. This isn't the life I want for myself or for anyone follows my blog. Remember, you can't be Goonswarm, you can just be Goon#12358.<br /><br />@Lucas: no. I wanted an idea to lift off. It didn't. If I would simply pay people IRL to do my bidding and gank the living shit out of highsec, would I prove anything else than the most obvious thing in the consumer society: you can get people do the most absurd nonsense with money. <br /><br />Same with "leadership" aka paying them with social bullshit. Such followers wouldn't be less social than the ones they gank. They would simply draw their "fun" from my bullshit instead of the bullshit of Mittens or Vince. Not something I'd call progress.<br /><br />@Sugar: I calculated the physics of the ledge and I got the ledge scanner. They just have to read it and verify if they wish. For me, that's enough from a leader. If they jump not because they were convinced that it's safe but because they believed some guy (me), then they are dumb lemmings who will one day jump at a word of a griefer or idiot false prophet.<br /><br />@Daniel: sure, give them ships, sing them on comms to make them happy. Maybe I should also go over their house and give them a blowjob so they'll be more motivated.<br /><br />I'm not their slave and won't be it.<br /><br />The anti-tears proved that I could teach some. Very few. The 2-3T is an approximated number needed to close the "simply mine 5 systems over" door.<br /><br />No, I didn't want them to watch local, that's what James315 want. I wanted them to use a superior tool instead of throwing insane amount of work hours on it. Imagine 10000 miners all watching local. That's 10000 human hours wasted.<br /><br />What I'd prefer over "didn't want that region anyway"? How about "what we've learned from losing our region and what must be changed". Because currently nothing is changed. BoodaBooda is still Dreddit CEO. Elo Knight is just wasting 150B that SOLAR <br />Fleet gave them. They will fail again, because they managed to fool themselves that the loss did not matter. <br /><br />Yes, it's better to look loser, failure, idiots, than REMAINING loser, failure, idiots forever.<br /><br />@Last anonymous: the problem with leading with money or social bullshit is that it's tied to me. In the second I stop leading them, the whole thing falls apart. One day I'll stop everything as I'm mortal.<br /><br />If I want to build anything that lasts, I have to make people believe as I believe and act on their own. <br /><br />I failed to convince anyone that ganking miners is a good thing. My project failed. I could cover up this failure by simply paying people to act like they believe. But it wouldn't be less of a failure.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17469508525462108202013-11-12T04:08:59.383+01:002013-11-12T04:08:59.383+01:00Firstly,
I've really enjoyed your blog over th...Firstly,<br />I've really enjoyed your blog over the last couple of months, and admit I am disappointed your giving up so early. Call me a leach if you like, but I've enjoyed the content you've created without giving back :P<br /><br />Secondly, I do hope you find something that you enjoy and something achievable, which also makes a bit of a splash. I think thats important to you.<br /><br />Thirdly, although at a much lower level you might say I'm in the same boat, trying to find something to do in Eve atm. Thinking of heading to wormhole space and controlling a single hole for a few months as my goal. Not sure if its naive of me to try doing this solo.<br /><br />"you have to be social, you have to lead them, make them feel to bound together" Why me? Why should I do extra work for others. Why don't they lead, made me feel whatever? The problem with this isn't he emotional work involved, but the one-sidedness. I give and give and they just get and demand more. No way!<br />This is what leading a group is about. You get the results of the group effort, in return you reward them with goals and motivation and results. Its ok if you don't want to put that effort in, but if your goals are bigger than one person can achieve then you have to give what your followers want. They want someone to follow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58503051150790071262013-11-12T02:09:50.702+01:002013-11-12T02:09:50.702+01:00Why me? Why should I do extra work for others. Why...<i> Why me? Why should I do extra work for others. Why don't they lead, made me feel whatever? The problem with this isn't he emotional work involved, but the one-sidedness. I give and give and they just get and demand more. No way!</i><br /><br />Why you? because this is your idea! you don't get to make something then expect someone else to make it a reality. To get your highsec coverage and build a force large enough to do what you wanted to do across multiple timezones to truly make a difference you need to be **charismatic**. The job of a leader often is a lot of giving, and giving, and giving some more.<br /><br /><i><br />What I saw in TEST is a bad example. What I saw was troubling (up to the "kill yourself you worthless piece of shit"). And finally it was unsuccessful. TEST was beaten out of nullsec because their social attitude driven away anyone remotely competent.</i><br />I think it is a stretch to state their social attitude lost them the war. They were beaten by an equally or moreso social group. There is power in social interaction, and if leveraged properly it can do incredible things. Social interaction is what makes humans powerful. We do not have claws, or teeth, or incredible strength. What we do have is the ability to communicate and work in social groups which magnify our innate wisdom and allow us to rise above the rest of the animal kingdom. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16483728784062763442013-11-12T01:52:59.569+01:002013-11-12T01:52:59.569+01:00@Daniel: except I didn't see acquiring members...@Daniel: except I didn't see acquiring members, seen the opposite, existing members burning out after a month.<br /><br />not sure if you are talking about your members.<br />if so, you should ask yourself: what did you do, to keep them in line, in your corp, in ships.<br />did you provide any additional benefit to them.<br />instead of blaming them for a failed gank, and advising to not fleet up, why didn't you enable them to always have a ship at hand. as you are spacerich, would it have been much of a problem to seed catas + fitting all over new eden, so they'd allways have had a ship at hand?<br />would also have been a nice add for your corp in the recruitment forum.<br /><br />as for the other text ... sorry to tell you this: test maybe is not the best example for a goal driven organisation - more the opposite.<br /><br />on the other hand, mittens and the gang seem to be doing fine... what we witness nowadays as goons/cfc is a product of years of planning and hard work, and total dedication.<br />eloknight, though that super whelp was a bit unlucky, didn't become a recognized fc over night, but put years of work into becoming one.<br /><br />i am not that super knowledged about nullsec folks and celebs, so i stop after the most obvious and talked about ones...<br /><br /><br />why can it only happen at 2 t destroyed value ?<br />your daily anti-tears are speaking a much different language, you obviously reached them.<br />with more careful target selection you could have minimised your efforts vs taught miners.<br />don't forget, your stated goal was to educate them. you did.<br /><br />"[...]and the only thing they learn is to set me red and move 2 constellations away to mine in their Yield Macks when they see me."<br /><br />Isn't that exactly what you wanted?<br />Miners paying attention to local and their surrounding?<br /><br />don't forget that there is more than one way to tanking.<br />flying a sys or two away from you is just another form of speed/range tanking. kiting - totally legit. lesson learned. goal reached.<br />another win for you.<br /><br /><br />"In EVE I don't see people openly competing with anyone. When a Red Federation fleet clashes a Blue Republic fleet, no one wins or loses, they all go home "lol we had fun". When GSF clashes N3, the same thing happens, since they didn't want that region anyway"<br /><br />first of all, if you took the advice to join rvb, you now would know what kiting is, and in which situations to use it, how to counter it and so on.<br /><br />What do you mean by "openly competing"?<br />because, it can't be more openly than it already is.<br /><br />"When a Red Federation fleet clashes a Blue Republic fleet, no one wins or loses, they all go home "lol we had fun"."<br /><br />what else should they do ?<br />i mean, that's exactly what it is about.<br />it's like ppl meeting in the citypark and having a lose round of soccer. nothing meaningful, just hanging out in the park, have a good time.<br /><br />"When GSF clashes N3, the same thing happens, since they didn't want that region anyway"<br /><br />you do realise that the "didn't want that x anyway" in these situations is pure sarcasm?<br />of course they wanted that region, of course they wanted to keep the titan, of course they didn't want to lose those supers. internally someone is raging, because everything just fucked up. i mean, the operation just fucked up, and they had been working months towards this fleet, that war, that titan, whatever.<br />no they didn't want to lose the situation.<br /><br />but it happened.<br /><br />what would you do?<br /><br />jump into the next plane to give that jerk whom you blame for the failure a beating of his lifetime?<br /><br />or<br /><br />take a deep breath, <br />take another one, <br />keep calm, <br />and say something stupid?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />because after all this is just a videogame.danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16330967615548158502013-11-12T01:22:05.267+01:002013-11-12T01:22:05.267+01:00probably shouldn't assume that every month wil...probably shouldn't assume that every month will always be better than the last. I would stick with it, growth does go in spurts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-68360422800570999382013-11-12T00:05:53.740+01:002013-11-12T00:05:53.740+01:00What are you giving, Gevlon? You scream at people ...What are you giving, Gevlon? You scream at people not to socialize, not to interact with you, not to care about you, but to follow what you do to the goal you believe is waiting to be reached.<br /><br />You name drop enough to know that leadership matters. You want people to be lead without a leader towards a goal you have pointed out that they cannot see. You want them to make huge leaps of thought and rational to reach a ledge below them they cannot see but you want them to trust you is there.<br /><br />But, the entire time you have given them no reason to follow you. You seek to speak to their rational mind. That the ledge is there. That physics and gravity and this ledge scanner have proven it, so why don't they just jump into the void.<br /><br />They call them leaps of faith for a reason. You have given them no reason to have it in you because you reject them when they reach out with it.<br /><br />You are blindly playing with human psychology.<br /><br />But then, I am a mindless social.Sugar Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437978687639772023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14445263872530533462013-11-11T22:28:08.992+01:002013-11-11T22:28:08.992+01:00This seems like pretty definitive proof against yo...This seems like pretty definitive proof against your "never fleet up" doctrine of the purely individualistic asocial who can achieve anything he personally sets out to do. You had great personal success in the fields you chose to focus, but your inability to recruit, organize, and motivate other people to operate as you did ultimately meant you could not impart any permanent change against the masses of morons and slackers who are far less time dedicated and ideologically committed than you. <br /><br />I'm very interested in how you could interpret this failure against the endless proclamations of personal success and superiority that came prior. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7966653262937587912013-11-11T22:22:14.095+01:002013-11-11T22:22:14.095+01:00@Gevlon
"Why me? Why should I do extra work f...@Gevlon<br />"Why me? Why should I do extra work for others."<br />Because you wanted to run a corp. That's what it takes to run one. You can't just expect everyone else to just dive in and do whatever, you have to lead. Yes it takes effort, but the payoff is you get what you want, you get a corp efficient at what it does. Instead you let your corp run as a collection of individuals and just expected it to work out. It didn't<br /><br />If you are not willing to lead and not willing to follow, then you will forever be stuck in solo play.<br /><br />"TEST was beaten out of nullsec because their social attitude driven away anyone remotely competent."<br />TEST did not fail due to their social behaviour. The CFC has a heavy social focus too. TEST failed for the same reason your corp did, lack of leadership. Their leadership was absent, and when it wasn't it did not lead.Lucas Kellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969897349629783605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8756030378170961442013-11-11T21:58:03.230+01:002013-11-11T21:58:03.230+01:00"Why me? Why should I do extra work for other..."Why me? Why should I do extra work for others."<br /><br />Because you stated that goal for yourself. And you've been showing us how right you are in various posts, despite us telling you otherwise. Now you have to face the fact that we were right and you failed. No shame in that - you just learned something new. Use it. Join us and finally be successful. Kata Komba already did.<br />Honestly, I think this might be a turning point for you. You can let go of your previous attitude, since you now know it doesn't work, and listen to us and have some fun. Forget about the numbers, try to do something which is not measurable, for pure enjoyment. Or stay what you are now and watch your future projects fail. A wise man learns from his mistakes.<br /><br />"TEST was beaten out of nullsec because their social attitude driven away anyone remotely competent."<br /><br />Yet, those who drove them away are the same social folk, that TEST was. Just with more disciplined leaders (but also socials). Social players rule this game, wheter you like it or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79265158360085289672013-11-11T21:38:32.283+01:002013-11-11T21:38:32.283+01:00The teaching part failed, because it was not 100% ...The teaching part failed, because it was not 100% accurate.<br /><br />1. Get a covetor/hulk<br />2. Get an orca support (orca alt or mining group/corp)<br />3. With buddy program, get an ecm alt for free, park in belt<br />4. Pull concord to belt with a 0 sp alt that you don't care about sec loss<br />5. WHEN gankers show up (concord is pulled), change to your tanked proc/skiff<br /><br />This is the proper high sec mining. We should have taught this.<br /><br />Your tanking method is the best way for a solo miner. Which is not the most effective way.<br /><br />Actually I tried to maintain a presence in Kador, you suggested me to move on to get more/better/easier kills. That was the point I realized the teaching is just a cover.<br /><br />"Why me? Why should I do extra work for others."<br /><br />You get back a handful of guys who are willing to do effort towards your goal. If this extra effort is bigger than yours motivating them, you win.Kata Kombanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18286840319626716682013-11-11T21:08:55.143+01:002013-11-11T21:08:55.143+01:00@Kata: the teaching part failed because we failed ...@Kata: the teaching part failed because we failed to maintain a presence. They could rightfully say "dock up until these assholes move away". Or they could move away themselves.<br /><br />We could only way to beat it is to have a complete highsec coverage what we clearly failed to have. <br /><br />"you have to be social, you have to lead them, make them feel to bound together" Why me? Why should I do extra work for others. Why don't they lead, made me feel whatever? The problem with this isn't he emotional work involved, but the one-sidedness. I give and give and they just get and demand more. No way!<br /><br />What I saw in TEST is a bad example. What I saw was troubling (up to the "kill yourself you worthless piece of shit"). And finally it was unsuccessful. TEST was beaten out of nullsec because their social attitude driven away anyone remotely competent.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59570927737811938572013-11-11T20:48:03.029+01:002013-11-11T20:48:03.029+01:00Why I stopped ganking a little more than 1 week ag...Why I stopped ganking a little more than 1 week ago? (Not mentioning IRL things)<br /><br />WGBWC had 2 goals. To teach miners, and to have an insane killboard with insane kill/member ratio. Of course the second one was never mentioned by Gevlon, but everyone knew it is there.<br /><br />The teaching part was not a big success. I would say less than 5% of ganked miners considered to change fit or ship to a tanky one, maybe even less. And I realized that the proper way to mine in highsec is to group up with others, and have a single ecm ship in belt. Cloaky is even better. Each miner should make an alt and pull concord into belt with thoose. You can mine in the most shitfitted hulk, you are safe. Unless all concord just leave the belt, but then you just warp out. While ganking is most effective doing it by yourself, mining is best doing it socially. I had to leave blinged hulks in belts, just because of a single cloaky falcon, and when I mentioned this in WGBWC channel, I just got the answer to move on, look after other targets. This was clearly showing that the teaching is less important than the killboard padding. Which also failed, as no new members came to the corp. And to be honest, having a huge number next to your name is not a big deal, if noone cares about it.<br /><br />I joined the WGBWC because I was in the same situation as Gevlon is in now (except I just started to play a few months ago). I was looking for some goal orientated corp, just to have a grip on the sandbox world, as my traders started to make so much isk, that I really don't have to care about losing ships. Unless you start a corp, there will be none which has the same goals as you have. And if you do so, you have to be social, you have to lead them, make them feel to bound together. That is where WGBWC failed. It was not a group, it was just a collection of players under the same corptag, and in long term it can't hold it together, as you had exactly no benefits being there. <br /><br />Being social and goal oriented does not exclude each other, actually I think most succesful players are goal oriented and social ones too. Gevlon you are great at setting up goals, reaching them, but your biggest waekness is beaing able to reach others. Your theory is not working in mmo's, as asocial ones are not the the most succesful ones in games. And I think neither in real life.<br /><br />What I suggest you is to stick to teaching people by guides. You are excellent in thoose, trading guide, PI, newbie, ganking, miner tanking. But stop comparing you to others, all you get from this is hate, pity or laughter. You can say you have the best isk kill/month, but you can't say this makes you the best pvper. This makes you the best isk sink player of the game. The low/null pvp is less effective of course, but the low/null pvp has other goals too, which high sec ganking does not. And you can't say getting a committed member worth x isk, having a laugh worth y isk, so you just compare your highsec ganking killboard to nullsec killboards. I realized this after a few days after joining BNI, I wonder how can't you see this after being the member of TEST for a longer period.<br /><br />Thank you for the WGBWC, I had really funny moments there. It was a nice motivation to move out of the highsec carebear status, and I wish you good luck with your next project whatever it will be.<br /><br />Kata KombaKata Kombanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78901646012015215012013-11-11T19:18:22.776+01:002013-11-11T19:18:22.776+01:00You can't liberate space. You can only liberat...You can't liberate space. You can only liberate people. There is a very easy way to liberate yourself from the evil oppression of CFC: move to Empire. The money is better and there are no structures to grind.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53188720328361558632013-11-11T18:51:00.335+01:002013-11-11T18:51:00.335+01:00Destroy the CFC. Liberate Nullsec.Destroy the CFC. Liberate Nullsec.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com