tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post3698915370251525961..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The sad fate of vulture-heroesGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31686479274501637962013-02-19T02:06:52.347+01:002013-02-19T02:06:52.347+01:00Maxim Preobrazhenskiy said...
"You, my friend...Maxim Preobrazhenskiy said...<br />"You, my friend, are being bullied."<br /><br />Interesting that he brought this up. I wonder whether vultures following you across highsec could be construed as harassment?Alana Charen-Tenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12744322643950613859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43164742283878561732013-02-19T02:02:04.031+01:002013-02-19T02:02:04.031+01:00\o Goblin
Very interesting to read your perspecti...\o Goblin<br /><br />Very interesting to read your perspective of solo ganking. I think you're giving your gank targets, the 'vultures', and 'white knights' great content to enjoy!Alana Charen-Tenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12744322643950613859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56651009426209405522013-02-14T06:09:04.696+01:002013-02-14T06:09:04.696+01:00Just because some person on Wikipedia does not lik...<i>Just because some person on Wikipedia does not like the slippery slope argument, does not make it fallacious, Anon.</i><br /><br />Err... what? The Slippery Slope argument is fallacious because it is a specious argument for some action (or against another action). It claims "If A, then Z" without accounting for all the steps inbetween. At most, it is an appeal to paranoia.<br /><br />Or to put another way:<br /><br />"The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. [...] This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another. (<a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html" rel="nofollow">source</a>)"Azurielhttp://inanage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5381961767324168552013-02-13T23:06:11.698+01:002013-02-13T23:06:11.698+01:00@Agent Trask: way to show your ignorance of how wi...@Agent Trask: way to show your ignorance of how wikipedia works.<br /><br />There are mechanisms in place which prevent opinion from being put forth as fact. Whilst the article linked has flaws, it has not been modified in substance for quite a long time, despite an active talk page and active contributors.<br /><br />You contend that A - B, B - C, C - D, D - ...X therefore A - X so we must stop A....There is no logical basis for this assumption.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36219899034977753832013-02-13T18:44:00.591+01:002013-02-13T18:44:00.591+01:00Bobbins: Mining is the activity that is most easil...Bobbins: Mining is the activity that is most easily botted in Eve.<br /><br />There are a couple of cheap packages out there already, and forums dedicated to their use.<br /><br />And Ice mining can be nearly totally AFK ... start your ice miner, and go AFK or alt-tabbed for a half hour or more depending on your lack of skills.<br /><br />Station traders do not undock, so they do not fall under the CCP maxim of don't undock with anything you can lose.<br /><br />Miners have to undock ... so it behooves us folks who think that PvP is important in Eve to gank them senseless if they like to AFK while undocked.Agent Traskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11568690253014006409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20365664066701579952013-02-13T18:29:52.611+01:002013-02-13T18:29:52.611+01:00Just because some person on Wikipedia does not lik...Just because some person on Wikipedia does not like the slippery slope argument, does not make it fallacious, Anon.<br /><br />Wikipedia is mostly a collection of opinion, not fact.Agent Traskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11568690253014006409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15864170834642688992013-02-13T09:11:25.802+01:002013-02-13T09:11:25.802+01:00@Gevlon
'Traders only earn income if another p...@Gevlon<br />'Traders only earn income if another player (who is active) accepts their market order.'<br /><br />A miner can also earn income only if they actively control their ships. I would also say mining requires more actions than both sides of trading and is greater risk.Bobbinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-35823738445339420572013-02-13T06:21:59.847+01:002013-02-13T06:21:59.847+01:00"Traders only earn income if another player (..."Traders only earn income if another player (who is active) accepts their market order."<br /><br />How do you think AFK miners make their money? Are NPCs buying minerals now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5729823058596993752013-02-13T02:11:36.315+01:002013-02-13T02:11:36.315+01:00A couple of the comments here have tried to draw a...A couple of the comments here have tried to draw a (false) equivalence between botting and trading, claiming that they are the same.<br /><br />While both activities allow income to be earned while the player is afk, the similarity ends there. Both buyer and seller must be at the keyboard to offer and accept the transaction; the market interface allows players to exchange goods and money asynchronously, but the actual actions occur during at-the-keyboard time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-40319775561224800492013-02-13T02:06:21.793+01:002013-02-13T02:06:21.793+01:00Gevlon, You should read "The power of Habit. ...Gevlon, You should read "The power of Habit. why we do what we do in life and business" by Charles Duhigg. Kwillockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11037630210291540378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72491843660824045052013-02-12T23:03:46.697+01:002013-02-12T23:03:46.697+01:00@Bing Bangboom
I refer you to http://en.wikipedia...@Bing Bangboom<br /><br />I refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope<br /><br />your argument is falacious. Balancing mining ships and increasing the difficulty of ganking unarmed ships in supposedly high security space does not lead somehow to a highsec without non-consensual PvP or consequences.<br /><br />You (and Gevlon) want consequence free 'PvP' (if it can be called that) and you care nothing for driving the newer players and the casual players out of the game to do it.<br /><br />Whilst I have nothing against what the New Order is doing (emergent game play and all that), please do not hide behind some rhetoric based entirely on fallacious reasoning.<br /><br />Have the courage to say that you are in the new order to gank and get miner tears, pad your killboards and be e-space bullies and internet hardmen.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6067431895164961672013-02-12T19:58:15.454+01:002013-02-12T19:58:15.454+01:00"Since EVE doesn't have welfare like WoW&..."Since EVE doesn't have welfare like WoW"<br /><br />Is the new order no risk play style not also considered in game welfare? Are you not also engaged in a risk inequity game play style that you claim to abhor?gallegonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2852267529960268522013-02-12T16:11:08.489+01:002013-02-12T16:11:08.489+01:00The problem with afk mining is what it leads to. ... The problem with afk mining is what it leads to. Right now in Eve we have a highsec where people think they can take their 200 million ISK ship, park it next to an ice block, and go do the laundry. They expect to come back after some 30-60 minutes and find that ship not only unharmed, but full of ice that they can drop off and then do it all again.<br /><br /> We got to this point because highsec miners complained and whinged so much to CCP that they received numerous buffs along with nerfs to the PvP players. And if the response to miner bumping is any key, they STILL aren't satisfied. If we continue down this path the Eve that is supposedly a dark, dangerous place will be just an advertising ploy. Even now, the CCP and CSM are discussing the future of non consensual pvp.<br /><br /> James 315 and the New Order of Highsec, at its root, are dedicated to turning this threat back. Read what Gevlon says about the behavior of the bot aspirants and their supporters. Read www.minerbumping.com for both James' CSM platform and for what the miners say to us in local. <br /><br /> Eve is really at a fork in the road. Eve can go down the same road as many MMO's have and cater to the risk adverse, constant reward types and have the same fate as Ultima Online and many others. OR they can return to the true ideals of Eve and make it where you cannot undock in something you aren't willing to lose. Remember that?<br /><br />315 4 CSM8<br /><br />Highsec is worth fighting for.<br /><br />Bing Bangboom<br />Agent of the New Order of Highsec<br />Belligerent UndesirableBing Bangboomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26481997915574940232013-02-12T12:01:38.350+01:002013-02-12T12:01:38.350+01:00Screw me for saying this, but isn't trading a ...Screw me for saying this, but isn't trading a AFK way of making ISK as well? You spend 45 minutes updating sell orders and the ISK pours in throughout the day. The only difference I see is that traders are good for the market whereas afk-miners destroy the livelihood of non-afk miners.<br /><br />To be honest, I really think mining needs to be more fun. Do you see people using bots to control things they consider fun? If CCP could implement a type of mining that was not just spending 3 minutes staring blankly at the screen/watching TV/whatever, I'm pretty sure the number of botters will decrease drastically. They could also make player participation a vital part of it. For example, you don't see cosmic anomaly prober bots, because they absolutely requires human intelligence to accomplish the taskAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-7862512410807882212013-02-12T11:59:45.081+01:002013-02-12T11:59:45.081+01:00Traders only earn income if another player (who is...Traders only earn income if another player (who is active) accepts their market order.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70806677888210486062013-02-12T11:56:14.542+01:002013-02-12T11:56:14.542+01:00'They gain income while AFK'.
So do trad...'They gain income while AFK'. <br /><br />So do traders, whose goods are sold while the traders are not logged on. Why aren't you ganking traders?Dàchénghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994982502333811797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80326103326318139472013-02-12T10:22:13.201+01:002013-02-12T10:22:13.201+01:00It's not hypocrisy. I gain nothing by being AF...It's not hypocrisy. I gain nothing by being AFK in a station. I harm no one either. I'm just that, AFK. Equal to logged out.<br /><br />They gain income while AFK.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34972448771951320902013-02-12T09:56:37.495+01:002013-02-12T09:56:37.495+01:00Love the hippocracy of this quote "I often &...Love the hippocracy of this quote "I often "AFK-cloak" them, by keeping the ganker+scout logged in while I'm working, sleeping or doing household chores"<br /><br />Gank yourself goblin, or better yet submit yourself to the new order and have them do it for the betterment of high sec!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14977640616922792472013-02-12T07:58:57.223+01:002013-02-12T07:58:57.223+01:00But shouldn't bullies be scary? They are merel...But shouldn't bullies be scary? They are merely puzzling.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-72741605168005871662013-02-12T07:37:47.906+01:002013-02-12T07:37:47.906+01:00Don't make the mistake of thinking that the pr...Don't make the mistake of thinking that the primary motivation of "vulture heroes" is protecting anything.<br /><br />The primary motivation of "vulture heroes" is in hunting specifically you down. Maybe the notion of "protecting" did something to have them pick up this activity in the first place, but from what they are saying this simply doesn't matter anymore.<br /><br />The fact that they are both persistent and consistent in going through all the energy-consuming motions that you illustrate shows that this activity in itself seems to be pretty fun for them.<br /><br />You, my friend, are being bullied. Bullying is a self-supporting activity that aims to harass the target in order to elicit any kind of response at all. The fact that you made this post will show those "vulture hero" bullies that they are getting through to something, and they will just get even more encouraged as a result.<br /><br />In virtual worlds, this issue is not really solvable. IRL, you deal with bullies by being scary. Virtual worlds are simply not scary in themselves.<br /><br />This, in turn, should make it that much harder for bullies to find pressure points. But since you seem to be rattled by their very existence, pressure points you have plenty.<br /><br />I say, let them do their thing and chalk them up on the "inevitable losses and risks" tab of your accounting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285916605762869349noreply@blogger.com